Exactly how my uncles wife died. she says she will be coming to celebrate XMAS But let her go and do check on her BP and then collect drugs she will drinking she said. on getting to the hospital they gave her an injection that removed all the sugar in her blood. b4 we could say Jack Robinson she kicked the bucket. this happened in 2015 . so sad. i will not go to teaching hospitals .i think they I.T Students use their patient for class practicals. if u know you know. PEACE!

Jman06:
I don't blame you foolz. I blame the failed Nigerian system that makes you lots go Scot free after killing many Nigerians with your quack practices.
I wish we are in a functional society! Many of you would have ended your miserable lives in jail.

A supposed doctor claimed that no drug can cause the death of patients orderwise such drugs won't be licensed, and you're here supporting him. That only reveals your level of ignorance as well. I won't start giving you examples of licensed prescription drugs that can cause instant death when used wrongly. You don't deserve such enlightenment from me.

Medical negligence is very real,however it's not only in nigeria and its not because of quackery or some shit.. Many doctors are brain drained,72hrs of call and all, what do u expect..mistakes happen,highest is to charge them to court. Doesn't mean nigerian doctors are outchea killing people... I am yet to hear of doctors killing people anyhow in places like reddington and all,no b same doctors dey work dere

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Half baked you say... Pls sir,what did u study in schl?

What has what I studied in school got to do with the discourse?

I see you're a doctor. While I respect medical doctors, Nigerian bred medical doctors are a bunch of greedy and incompetent people.

Thousands and thousands of deaths are caused by their incompetence yearly. They are only interested in holding the nation to ransom through senseless strikes, how they're perceived etc

Jman06:
So you don't know that some drugs when wrongly used or when used on the wrong person can cause instant death of the patient


Chai! naija dokitas oo

Yeah there are drugs that can kill if misused..but there is no drug that can freeze you to death sir that's what he was saying

izubext007:
Nigeria Doctors, Who Graduated With Out Practice In The School Will Sure Use Their Patient To Pratice.

Which practice in schl do you mean sir?

must be a hospital operated by quarks
RIP beautiful

philip0906:

What has what I studied in school got to do with the discourse?

I see you're a doctor. While I respect medical doctors, Nigerian bred medical doctors are a bunch of greedy and incompetent people.

Thousands and thousands of deaths are caused by their incompetence yearly. They are only interested in holding the nation to ransom through senseless strikes, how they're perceived etc

Nigeria is shit! If dat doesn't change,people will keep dieing finish. How many people in nigeria today will go to a doctor for headache afor example and when doctor says do MRI,won't blatantly refuse? In advance countries these things are what you do cos there is what we call medical insurance that covers it not that yeye NHIS o. But here in naija,you tell patient do MRI to elicit a diagnosis,dem go carry their bag waka go meet the next doctor say that doctor no sabi jo. And wen dey die,they will say doctors are quack. Or when they later found out it's some kinda brain tumor,they will say those doctors are not good sha. Nigerians are prolly the hardest sets of patient to treat,dem go come hospital come tell you diagnosis not complain o. Like walk in and say something like ' doctor I have typhoid'

Neddyogu:
Cause of death not known, no autopsy conducted and yet social media coroners have termed it a medical error as if person no fit die for hospital again. No evidence whatsoever!

God grant the family solace.

some ppl who havent smelt medical school before parade themselves as doctors.because of these ppl activities innocent doctors get blamed.i recall a story i read about one surgeon who was arrested in kaduna and he confessed he wasnt actually a doctor and the degree he was using was purchased.Nigeria has no good verification system to catch frauds.

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Nigeria is shit! If dat doesn't change,people will keep dieing finish. How many people in nigeria today will go to a doctor for headache afor example and when doctor says do MRI,won't blatantly refuse? In advance countries these things are what you do cos there is what we call medical insurance that covers it not that yeye NHIS o. But here in naija,you tell patient do MRI to elicit a diagnosis,dem go carry their bag waka go meet the next doctor say that doctor no sabi jo. And wen dey die,they will say doctors are quack. Or when they later found out it's some kinda brain tumor,they will say those doctors are not good sha. Nigerians are prolly the hardest sets of patient to treat,dem go come hospital come tell you diagnosis not complain o. Like walk in and say something like ' doctor I have typhoid'

My point is not factoring in conditions outside the doctors control. We totally understand the unavailability of equipments and medical insurance in this part of the world.

I have a comprehensive health care plan from my work place. I have never been to any hospital in my life (aside when I was a baby) and don't think I will ever be there for anything. I have friends and families who have suffered from outright incompetency from Nigerian doctors. These people are not your average or poor Nigerians, they can pay for quality healthcare but all you see is incompetence from our so called medical practitioners.

The news is littered daily with gross incompetency from Nigerian doctors. All the Nigerian doctor is interested in is title, Dr with nothing in his/her head.

philip0906:

My point is not factoring in conditions outside the doctors control. We totally understand the unavailability of equipments and medical insurance in this part of the world.

I have a comprehensive health care plan from my work place. I have never been to any hospital in my life (aside when I was a baby) and don't think I will ever be there for anything. I have friends and families who have suffered from outright incompetency from Nigerian doctors. These people are not your average or poor Nigerians, they can pay for quality healthcare but all you see is incompetence from our so called medical practitioners.

The news is littered daily with gross incompetency from Nigerian doctors. All the Nigerian doctor is interested in is title, Dr with nothing in his/her head.

Some are no doubt but you can't say all. I have met some docs and go 'what the f***' I have met a doc that opened book in my front to get the dosage of drug but the thing is I'd rather have the doc do that than prescribe wrongly cos he/she doesn't wanna fall hand. You can't generalise these,that's just what am saying, it's only the bad news we see,we don't see the good ones. Where are the stories of successive transplants, seperation of siamese twins and numerous medical achievements( it's no big deal actually but it's quite a big one looking at the kind of country we are in)

philip0906:

My point is not factoring in conditions outside the doctors control. We totally understand the unavailability of equipments and medical insurance in this part of the world.

I have a comprehensive health care plan from my work place. I have never been to any hospital in my life (aside when I was a baby) and don't think I will ever be there for anything. I have friends and families who have suffered from outright incompetency from Nigerian doctors. These people are not your average or poor Nigerians, they can pay for quality healthcare but all you see is incompetence from our so called medical practitioners.

The news is littered daily with gross incompetency from Nigerian doctors. All the Nigerian doctor is interested in is title, Dr with nothing in his/her head.

See ehn..while some negligence is trully a doctor's fault..some aren't o. Doctors are humans and are raised differently, whatever they exhibit is a result of their upbringing not the profession. I have met good doctors

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Medical negligence is very real,however it's not only in nigeria and its not because of quackery or some shit.. Many doctors are brain drained,72hrs of call and all, what do u expect..mistakes happen,highest is to charge them to court. Doesn't mean nigerian doctors are outchea killing people... I am yet to hear of doctors killing people anyhow in places like reddington and all,no b same doctors dey work dere

Reddington is progressing because it is managed by unbiased managers with experience in hospital administration. So, all the different professional groups know their roles and stick to them with none trying to lord over others.
The managers set the standards and everybody is bound to comply with no group claiming superiority over others.This is unlike our public hospitals that our local doctors run like some kind of animal farm. Playing politics with people's lives!

Go check most hospitals run by non medical managers, they're always doing well. Eg most Catholic hospitals run by reverend fathers.

Jman06:
Reddington is progressing because it is managed by unbiased managers with experience in hospital administration. So, all the different professional groups know their roles and stick to them with none trying to lord over others.
The managers set the standards and everybody is bound to comply with no group claiming superiority over others.This is unlike our public hospitals that our local doctors run like some kind of animal farm. Playing politics with people's lives!

Go check most hospitals run by non medical managers, they're always doing well. Eg most Catholic hospitals run by reverend fathers.

It's actually better for a hospital to be managed by a doctor; the problem is not being a doctor but being a poor manager with poor leadership skills and inflated ego

A non-practising doctor with some business management or health economics qualifications is better for a hospital than a reverend father though the rf is doing his best

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Bros...I dey tell you,it's to just leave this country. Since doctors are the ones killing them now,let the nurses take over.

Me I don't even care who is taking over..The hospital cleaners should take over sef..

infact one said on another thread that pharmacist 're better at treating patients.....

Bros should we tell them?

DOCs ,I say again Hustle o!

Jman06:
Reddington is progressing because it is managed by unbiased managers with experience in hospital administration. So, all the different professional groups know their roles and stick to them with none trying to lord over others.
The managers set the standards and everybody is bound to comply with no group claiming superiority over others.This is unlike our public hospitals that our local doctors run like some kind of animal farm. Playing politics with people's lives!

Go check most hospitals run by non medical managers, they're always doing well. Eg most Catholic hospitals run by reverend fathers.

Fine. At the end of the day,what u have confirmed here is that most government hospitals are where our problems are. So something can still be done. It's all down to good administration

RIP BBB

midnighter:


It's actually better for a hospital to be managed by a doctor; the problem is not being a doctor but being a poor manager with poor leadership skills and inflated ego

A non-practising doctor with some business management or health economics qualifications is better for a hospital than a reverend father though the rf is doing his best

It is not better in anyway! In most developed nations, hospitals are managed by non medical doctors.
The reason is that a hospital is a gathering of different professional groups to serve the patient. When you appoint a Nigerian doctor to head a hospital, he tends to be biased in favor of the doctors (This is worst with those of them that trained in Nigeria, most of those that trained abroad understand how hospitals work and so they usually do better). The result is a chaotic hospital with the patients at the receiving end. Under such atmosphere, nothing works and the productivity declines. That is the major problem facing our public hospitals. The doctors are just out to milk the system dry while productivity continues to nosedive.

Jman06:
It is not better in anyway! In most developed nations, hospitals are managed by non medical doctors.
The reason is that a hospital is a gathering of different professional groups to serve the patient. When you appoint a Nigerian doctor to head a hospital, he tends to be biased in favor of the doctors (This is worst with those of them that trained in Nigeria, most of those that trained abroad understand how hospitals work and so they usually do better ). The result is a chaotic hospital with the patients at the receiving end. Under such atmosphere, nothing works and the productivity declines. That is the major problem facing our public hospitals.

Hospitals in developed countries are managed by people who are not doctors and they end up creating layers and layers of bureaucracy and stupid rules that don't make my sense because they don't know what they're saying, because they're not doctors!

Doctors and nurses working under managers like that complain about it all the time. A doctor or specialist nurse who understands how policy will affect practice is better than some chap with a management degree who has no idea what is actually involved in effectively treating a patient, timetabling, liaising with suppliers and so on.

The reason developed countries hire those people is to save money and not because it's better.

The bolded is what I'm trying to say. A doctor who is also enlightened will be unconcerned with petty rivalries and will try to balance the needs of staff vs. those of the patients, and try to integrate the roles and skills of all the staff to create a working system.

Any doctor worth his salt knows that he is finished without a solid team of nurses, so he will make sure he respects them. And he knows not to talk to a pharmacist anyhow. And an auxiliary nurse, cleaner and porter all also have his total and utmost respect.

This is to do with bad attitude and lack of professionalism from our indigent doctors, so the problem is not being a doctor but how the doctor sees his role in relation to others.

ogbuefi677:

I tire for these ppl.
The idiot blogger and the mob on front page, none bothered to mention what she was being treated for and the name of this mysterious injection.
Except you give overdose of digitalis(a tablet),inject lidocaine IV(only a hired killer can do this) or fluid overdose in a seriously ill patient and few cases like that,there is hardly any 'wrong injection' that can kill like that.
But zoogerians are always looking for ppl to pour their Buhari induced frustrations on.
Idiots always forget hospitals are where sick ppl come to,so chances of death is high even in 1st world countries.
How many of the ppl they fly to India come back home alive?

I’m increasingly convinced that many such negative comments on Nigeria are not informed by ignorance, not even retards could be so lacking in common sense, I suspect they are professional orchestrations with the goal of debilitating the country so she cannot compete in Africa let alone the world. The fear of Nigeria and her potential must be high in the running among reasons why.


For instance, who, in this media age of wide spread information, could be so ignorant of the fact that scores die yearly in India, South America, South East Asia in botched operations to make such comments quoted below:

When I saw "DUE TO MEDICAL ERROR" I knew she died in Nigeria. Not saying Nigeria has the worst medical system, but they have arguably the worst in the world, despite our potentials cry cry

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midnighter:


Hospitals in developed countries are managed by people who are not doctors and they end up creating layers and layers of bureaucracy and stupid rules that don't make my sense because they don't know what they're saying, because they're not doctors!

Doctors and nurses working under managers like that complain about it all the time. A doctor or specialist nurse who understands how policy will affect practice is better than some chap with a management degree who has no idea what is actually involved in effectively treating a patient, timetabling, liaising with suppliers and so on.

The reason developed countries hire those people is to save money and not because it's better.

The bolded is what I'm trying to say. A doctor who is also enlightened will be unconcerned with petty rivalries and will try to balance the needs of staff vs. those of the patients, and try to integrate the roles and skills of all the staff to create a working system.

Any doctor worth his salt knows that he is finished without a solid team of nurses, so he will make sure he respects them. And he knows not to talk to a pharmacist anyhow. And an auxiliary nurse, cleaner and porter all also have his total and utmost respect.

This is to do with bad attitude and lack of professionalism from our indigent doctors, so the problem is not being a doctor but how the doctor sees his role in relation to others.

Well, over the years Nigeria's health system has been under the management of doctors yet our hospitals are nothing to write home about. Those managers in the developed nations are breaking bounds while their hospitals are doing far much better than Nigerian hospitals run by doctors! Of course, it is only natural for some doctors in those developed nations to complain and try to make it appear like the managers are not doing well. However, the results coming from such countries have so far proven that the managers are doing well!

Truths on the condition of Nigeria will be revealed with no hiding place by realistic criticisms alone based on facts, the resort to unrealistic and exaggerated criticisms are unnecessary if well-meaning and undeniably smacks of bad intentions for the nation. Post immediately above is a good example of realistic criticisms based on facts.

The ailment was not known, but known to b not life threatening!? Nigerian bloggers/ Journalists eh.

RIP beautiful lady.

just see talk.. Medical error. The doctor should be arrested

www.fakazamag.com

Jman06:
Well, over the years Nigeria's health system has been under the management of doctors yet our hospitals are nothing to write home about. Those managers in the developed nations are breaking bounds while their hospitals are doing far much better than Nigerian hospitals run by doctors! Of course, it is only natural for some doctors in those developed nations to complain and try to make it appear like the managers are not doing well. However, the results coming from such countries have so far proven that the managers are doing well!

Lol

Those hospitals are doing well because of a huge array of factors, such as money and good government/internal regulation. That they are doing well relative to Nigeria doesnt mean that they are working to their full potential. Doing better than Nigeria is not an achievement

That doesnt mean that leaving a hospital in the hands of a non-medical professional is a good idea. They can make good managers, but that option is not the best for the reasons I have explained.

If they are nothing to write home about its because of bad attitude and not specialist knowledge. Specialist knowledge is extremely important in healthcare management and policy

There is more to this.

God forbid what sort of humiliating death is this

midnighter:


Lol

Those hospitals are doing well because of a huge array of factors, such as money and good government/internal regulation. That they are doing well relative to Nigeria doesnt mean that they are working to their full potential. Doing better than Nigeria is not an achievement

That doesnt mean that leaving a hospital in the hands of a non-medical professional is a good idea. They can make good managers, but that option is not the best for the reasons I have explained.

If they are nothing to write home about its because of bad attitude and not specialist knowledge. Specialist knowledge is extremely important in healthcare management and policy

Even when you have a non medical manager, there can always be medical directors who will be responsible for medical matters, just like you can have pharmaceutical directors for issues about drugs and pharmaceutical care , directors of nursing services etc all answerable to the non medical manager who'll be like the political and administrative leader of the institution. I believe strongly that our healthcare system will do better under such arrangement.

Jman06:
Even when you have a non medical manager, there can always be medical directors who will be responsible for medical matters, just like you can have pharmaceutical directors for issues about drugs and pharmaceutical care , directors of nursing services etc all answerable to the non medical manager who'll be like the political and administrative leader of the institution. I believe strongly that our healthcare system will do better under such arrangement.

A mixture of medical and non-medical management is workable but excluding doctors from management on the basis of bad character or political rivalry is not conducive. In fact it's timid and counter-intuitive to do so.

A non-medical manager unilaterally overseeing clinical staff is a disaster waiting to happen; try a residential nursing home being run by unqualified managers who do not have any idea what they are saying and see how the medications, nursing care, clinical liaison meetings, community health meetings and hospital appointments get totally messed up.

Can a manager who does not know how to administer medication, fill in a medication chart, time medication, query pharmacist prescriptions, consider interactions and side-effects, alter a medication regime, discuss treatment with the patient's family doctor or discuss the care plan with a hospital during an emergency instruct a doctor/nurse on how to do all those things?

midnighter:


A mixture of medical and non-medical management is workable but excluding doctors from management on the basis of bad character or political rivalry is not conducive. In fact it's timid and counter-intuitive to do so.

A non-medical manager unilaterally overseeing clinical staff is a disaster waiting to happen; try a residential nursing home being run by unqualified managers who do not have any idea what they are saying and see how the medications, nursing care, clinical liaison meetings, community health meetings and hospital appointments get totally messed up.

Can a manager who does not know how to administer medication, fill in a medication chart, time medication, query pharmacist prescriptions, consider interactions and side-effects, alter a medication regime, discuss treatment with the patient's family doctor or discuss the care plan with a hospital during an emergency instruct a doctor/nurse on how to do all those things?

Are you aware that there's a program called hospital administration and management Which anybody can undergo and get qualified to manage a hospital??
An administrator has no business with drug prescription and interaction. That is why there should be a director of pharmaceutical care services, director of medical services, nursing services etc all reporting to the overall administrator who'll drive the political, administrative and business wheels of the institution. That administrator must not necessarily be a medical person! A lawyer or anybody with a degree in management with further training in health administration can play that role!

Jman06:
Are you aware that there's a program called hospital administration and management Which anybody can undergo and get qualified to manage a hospital??

Yes, I am aware of that and I'm saying that it's all very well as long as there are also doctors and specialised nurses at equally senior or superiorly senior levels of management.

An administrator has no business with drug prescription and interaction. That is why there should be a director of pharmaceutical care services, director of medical services, nursing services etc all reporting to the overall administrator who'll drive the political, administrative and business wheels of the institution.

That one is okay if the facility has the money to pay all those people and finance such an extensive system. But a lot of the time they are pinching pennies.

That's why a non-practising doctor or nurse with an administrative, economic or management qualification should double up as the general leader of the place.

And again, it will be easy for that administrator to mess themselves up in a meeting with suppliers or other providers of healthcare needs if they don't know what to look for.

It sounds nice the way you're describing it but I'm telling you that in practice it doesn't really work.

For you to say that an administrator has no business with drug prescription and interaction shows that you don't really understand the political dynamic of a healthcare facility, with all due respect.

That administrator must not necessarily be a medical person! A lawyer or anybody with a degree in management with further training in health administration can play that role!

They don't have to be, but they should. For their own sanity as well as the good of the institution they are leading.