DMerciful:
But did you support massob then inspite of their peaceful nature? They were also criticized by Lagos-Ibadan press! You are saying massob never insulted anybody, but if Igbos leave IPOB and embrace massob, massob becomes your new enemy!

Area4Area:
Fine and cool, declare your Biafra already and you can become the first casualty and Nigerian on both sides would celebrate you as a hero

DMerciful:
But he could speak for himself na? Who is patronizing him now?
Oh, because you dont want Oduduwa republic,
you wanna act as stumbling block? Pikin wey say him mama nor go rest himself nor go rest. If you do not see the influx of Igbos in the SW as a threat, dey there.....until you become minority in Lagos!

DMerciful:
Where in Nigeria are you from? I wanna know if your from a minority tribe that's afraid of where their fate will lie when Nigeria eventually balkanize

DMerciful:
I dont know if you're from SW but if you say nobody is happy, is that not enough reason to self determine? Oyo state alone is bigger than many European countries so what's the issue here? Why dont you see Biafra as a way of achieving Oduduwa republic when you have Lagos as an economic hub, oil in lagos and indo and other resources which guarantees that SW will be atleast 3 times more successful than it is today. I like the Southwesterners but their seeming reluctance to independence or change is worrying.
The reason there may be war if Biafra is declared is if Oduduwa, middle belt are unable to declare same time. Declare same time and the military looses the power to fight!

DMerciful:
I dont know if you're from SW but if you say nobody is happy, is that not enough reason to self determine? Oyo state alone is bigger than many European countries so what's the issue here? Why dont you see Biafra as a way of achieving Oduduwa republic when you have Lagos as an economic hub, oil in lagos and indo and other resources which guarantees that SW will be atleast 3 times more successful than it is today. I like the Southwesterners but their seeming reluctance to independence or change is worrying.
The reason there may be war if Biafra is declared is if Oduduwa, middle belt are unable to declare same time. Declare same time and the military looses the power to fight!

0monnak0da:

Did they have a referendum when Russia was created.?

Did the indigenous people of America have a referendum before The US was founded?
Or Brazil?

Nations have been founded by force since time immemorial.

That is why we say you are sentimental and reason like children.
Deal with the reality in front of you rationally.


The truth is that Zik who had an elected mandate represented you in independence talks so do not distort history .
If you are unaware research it

Having said that it is your choice and prerogative to opt out.

You tried the Biafra war It did NOT WORK.

So think rationally about an approach that might work.
Anger is not a strategy?


People have been evacuated from their ancestral lands since the beginning of time.


The US still has indigenous folk who are now in the minority just like South America and Australia

The Palestinians were kicked out of their land to create the State of Israel.

Do you think that cannot happen to you?
Do not believe that the Nigerian state cannot evacuate iboland and repopulate it it with IDPs from Borno.
It you do not have guns learn how to act like a fool till you do and dispense with impotent pride .


Nothing wrong with your agitation in principle but you must have a strategy.

If Nnamdi Kanu is whom you believe to be your Moses then you deserve pity.

You are a confused people.

In 2015 it was
GEJ till 2019
Now it is lefelendum or death?

gidgiddy:


Yes Countries, not Nations, are created by force. They question is, why do they have to remain together by force? Especially after after the colonial masters have left? I personally believe that Britain should have conducted a referendum before they left in 1960, for everyone to decide if they want to continue with their colonial contraption called Nigeria, but they never did that.

Nations are created by consensus, and even after that nation is created, the constituent parts still reserve the right to agitate to opt out if they feel it is not working for them. Even our colonial masters, Britain, recognised that right when they gave Northern Ireland a referendum in 1971, and Scotland, in 2014. The very people who made you a "Nigerian" are not against breaking up because they are civilised.

But you they made a "Nigerian" is prepared to fight civil war, declare python dance, kill many people, over a simple matter others use referendum to settle. Thats because you are not civilised

The indigenous people of America you are talking about, America gave them "Reservations" where they exercise a high degree of autonomy and self rule so using them as an example is stupid

Stop talking about Zik, he is only one man, same as Nnamdi Kanu. Democracy is not based on what one person wants. Democracy is about what the majority wants. Thats why referendums are conducted to let people decide.

This is not about Nnamdi Kanu, this is about what me and my fellow Igbos want. Do the majority of Igbos want to be part if Nigeria or not? Only a referendum will answer that question.

Nnamdi Kanu is only agitating that such referendum be allowed and he is backed by Article 1 of the UN charter and Article 20 of the African charter that Nigeria has signed up to.

tartar9:

I don't think you have that right under the Nigerian constitution.Moreover,you guys ain't serious about having an independence referendum.If that's what you want then seek it through the proper channels.Should we be giving a referendum anytime any group emerges and are good at holding protest or setting up radio channels with their hate speeches against other Nigerians.

Area4Area:
The Nigerian constitution allows for the freedom to protest but not for treasonable acts, referendum and secession are treasonable offences under the law of Nigeria so you can't hide under the freedom to protest to commit the crime.

A threat to life is a criminal act under our law whether the threat was acted upon or not, you do not need to be armed or not, a first year law student or a police recruit can explain better to you.

Open another thread for your herdsmen and stop muddling up issues and trying to derail.

IPOB is a terrorist group and you can go argue it in the court of law, nairaland can't help your case in any way.

@the bolded, since IPOB feels it has the right to decide its decision without the input of the people it is professing to speak for, is it still a democratic movement? You can see how you elevated IPOB's right to determine what they want and damning what the people may want. Let IPOB speak for itself and leave the great Igbo people to speak for themselves too, I can't remember at any time when Igbos appealed to IPOB to speak for them.


We have Igbos in BZM, BIM etc and when have they all given IPOB the right to speak for them and other Igbos, have they been consulted and they gave their blessings? Why must IPOB take it as their God given right to speak for everyone?

IPOB should know this is a precipice for a civil war within Biafra if it is granted independence today

0monnak0da:

I do not quite agree that calling for secession or referendum is treason or even unlawful?
MASSOB have been doing that for ever.
IPOB have crossed the line
What is unlawful is to seek that goal by force of arms.
There is nothing prohibiting the formation of a political prth to achieve that goal or to lobby elected representatives for a referendum.

In order to have a referendum an Act of the National Assembly would suffice.
However the outcome of such referendum may only have advisory force unless there is a constitutional change depending on whether the referendum issue requires constitutional change
In short if the correct legal framework is not in place the outcome may be unenforceable
Sometimes government has the power to carry out specific actions but chooses to take the matter to referendum a good example is BREXIT.
Even after that there was no legal duty to comply

Area4Area:
Pathetic indeed, before GEJ lost, 99.9% didn't know who Kanu or IPOB was, immediately he lost, Biafra became their anthem.
2019, before Atiku lost, they forgot about Biafra and immediately he lost they remembered their first love Biafra again.
IPOB is just messing up with their brains and I only pity genuine and hardworking Igbos who could be caught in between if anything happens.

Area4Area:
You made some valid points there, thanks.
I for one wouldn't have accepted that a call for referendum to secede should be deemed a criminal act but it was signed into law by Ironsi as the military head of state and what was the reaction of the Igbos then, why did they keep quiet without condemning the act is still a big question today which most Igbos shy away from.
This is one of the sins he committed against the Nigerian state.

GenBuhari:
IPOB doesn't represent Ndi Igbo
Average Igbo is not agitating for Biafra .

Are Igbos clamouring for the presidency? I haven't seen any evidence of that either .

DMerciful:
Where in Nigeria are you from? I wanna know if your from a minority tribe that's afraid of where their fate will lie when Nigeria eventually balkanize

Area4Area:
You made some valid points there, thanks.
I for one wouldn't have accepted that a call for referendum to secede should be deemed a criminal act but it was signed into law by Ironsi as the military head of state and what was the reaction of the Igbos then, why did they keep quiet without condemning the act is still a big question today which most Igbos shy away from.
This is one of the sins he committed against the Nigerian state.

BabaRamota1980:

So assuming Ibo would like to be the candidate, who in Iboland has a political networkscapable of bringing numbers and victory?

gidgiddy:


The presidency of Nigeria is not the most important thing to the Igbo nation at the moment, there are other things more important than that. Ohanaeze President, John Nwodo, said it clearly in a recent interview that an Igbo president who is operating under a "jaundiced" 1999 constitution, which nobody agreed to, would be useless.

The Presidency of Nigeria is only attractive to those who depend heavily on government. Buhari will be in office for 8 years but his NW zone has a much higher rate of crime, insecurity, illiteracy, underdevelopment and poverty than the SE. Not less than 3 Presidents have been produced by the NW yet they have an 80% poverty rate compared to less than 35% in the SE.

We have a constitution that did not originate from the people, we have a system of government that is defective, we claim to operate a federation when we dont, and all some people can think of is the Presidency of Nigeria that has never helped the common man on the streets

gidgiddy:


The presidency of Nigeria is not the most important thing to the Igbo nation at the moment, there are other things more important than that. Ohanaeze President, John Nwodo, said it clearly in a recent interview that an Igbo president who is operating under a "jaundiced" 1999 constitution, which nobody agreed to, would be useless.

The Presidency of Nigeria is only attractive to those who depend heavily on government. Buhari will be in office for 8 years but his NW zone has a much higher rate of crime, insecurity, illiteracy, underdevelopment and poverty than the SE. Not less than 3 Presidents have been produced by the NW yet they have an 80% poverty rate compared to less than 35% in the SE.

We have a constitution that did not originate from the people, we have a system of government that is defective, we claim to operate a federation when we dont, and all some people can think of is the Presidency of Nigeria that has never helped the common man on the streets

Cyberterror:
Convenient for you to use Scotland as example. What about Catalonia? How did that go?