abeggnow:
anf there lies the problem he is talking about, only the Igbos think everybody is backwards except them and yet when u go to thier region its laughable at best. Its so messed up them can't even stay in it hence the flocking to other regions. Lets not even talk about crime.they need to get thier acts together and understand how power works. There is not way without cooperation that they will bring a leather that will govern this country. Even the north that has the highest population always seeks corporation

nairavsdollars:
Temidayo Akinsuyi, Lagos



https://www.independent.ng/igbo-political-leaders-havent-learnt-any-lesson-from-civil-war-junaid-mohammed/

shadeyinka:

It's like a situation when you want to run your race at 100km/HR and you are tied down with someone who is prepared to wait at a single spot.

Is secession the answer?
No!.

But if I was Ibo, I will come to the same conclusion

abeggnow:
The answer is negotiation and corporation.

CSTR2:

If Nigeria has an expiry date, why should you carry it on your head?

Others are developing themselves for the any eventuality, while clowns like you are subjecting yourselves into negative stereotypes.

Your grand children will not be able to aspire for the presidency if you people don't stop your foolishness.

shadeyinka:

What kind of negotiation?

I respected the Ibo's during the civil war. They improvised with military technology, organised their graduates to do the improvisations etc. They were poor but innovative.

Nigeria on the otherwise was rich and till today, we import every military hardware we use. The innovations of the Ibo's are kept in a Musium till today. and,the situations before the civil war remain the same.

Secession doesn't really pay us but at least now you can see thet the rest of Nigeria prevented the probable "China" of Africa from emerging while we ourselves remain stagnant.

abeggnow:
China of Africa" you must be kidding right??China can not be compared to any African country, they have been inventing for millennias.Also no matter how you cut it the Igbo lost the war. Don't forget they are the once who started it.due to selfishness and individualism
. That being said Nigeria or a part has f Nigeria is not dragging anybody or any other rigion back . If it was then the east should have been really developed by now but go there and you will be stunned. The only thing dragging anybody snd everybody back is corruption and vision less leather ship so lets not lie to ourselves.

Ebenezar2020:
then how come your IPOB brothers suddenly drop the agitation for bia'fraud the moment PDP gave Presidential ticket to Atikuloot and Peter Obi?

shadeyinka:

Every tribe has their own problem.
The west used to lead Nigeria when we were operating a confederacy. First TV station in Africa, Tallest building in Africa, Free Education for all, Farm Extensions etc. Where do we think we are excelling now. Where is the West in the map of Africa? Thank God for Lagos state, may be would have been completely rubbished in terms of development and innovations.

Ibos may have their own peculiar nature, weakness and problems however, I still respect them. What is wrong in a people saying we want freedom when they feel alienated?

Why do you think the West kicked off Amotekun!? It was because security wise, we feel alienated and we took a position of bravery rather than passive slave.

Like I said, if you were Ibo, you'll take the same side with them. And no one decided where he'll be born. Do you know that Saraki is from Ogun State and NOT Kwara?
Do you know that IBB's is related to Ogbomosho from his mother?

abeggnow:
first of all the tallest building in Nigeria you have mentioned was not done by western Nigeria but by the collective that is the federal government do not lie to yourself. Also I am half Igbo and as such I understand the Igbo mentality very well. They are great in business but poor in political understanding and it has to do with the history of the Igbos. That's another long story. Also no nation on earth will let a part of its territory secede not even western countries that claim to be liberal. So lets be factual.Also we have never operated a confederacy in Nigeria I don't know where you got that from.The west was more developed because of the British .

efighter:


This is the type of statment that will give you freedom. Olori Pelebe. Never, will Igbos get Biafra. Never, ever.

shadeyinka:

Cocoa house was a built with western money. It was built with money from Western Nigeria.

Cocoa House,[1] completed in 1965 at a height of 105 metres,[2] was once the tallest building in tropical Africa. It is located in the city of Ibadan in Oyo State, Nigeria, and it was built from proceeds from commodities (e.g., Cocoa, Rubber, Timber and so on) of the then Western State of Nigeria.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_House

Since you are related to the Ibos, you needn't be too harsh upon them. The reason they are politically immature stems from the fact that it is difficult culturally for them to submit their collective will to a person. Politics is a game of unity of numbers it's not an individual game.

The west is suffering this same thing too: Ours is just a little better. The North usually vote emnblock so that their political weight is always high. But their advantage is the prevailing lack of education so that they will usually flow in the direction of the emir/the political class (unlike the Yorubas who will not take orders from just anyone without good reason)

As for me, democracy is the worst form of Government for a multiethnic and largely uneducated society. I hope as a people, we can fashion out a suitable method of governance

abeggnow:
I agree with you on that. We need to formulate a system that works for us that suits our unique realities.

shadeyinka:

If we must stay together, a complete financial autonomy may be part of the solution down to the village level of each local government. A takeoff grant over a period of time may be necessary for communities with the least resources. Only then would their be a healthy competition soley dependent on community prosperity and devoid of ethnic bias.

The national government should be made relevant only to foreign affairs and inter-state cooperation for national projects. It also looks like citizenship based on parental stock would be minimised for citizenship based on place of residence and of course it will weaken all the traditional institutions across board.

Is their a guarantee this will work? Certainly no! It will solve some problems and create other problems. But then we have to weigh the opportunity cost and decide.

Nigeria is of course better off as a Big Unified Nation rather than fragments based on ethnic blocks. Each tribe/region is another mini Nigeria (you won't believe the number of dialects of Yoruba existing)

abeggnow:
There are at least 300 tribes in Nigeria. Hence a strong central government.

shadeyinka:

The strong center is becoming biased towards the numerically superior tribes. It is sufficient if Nigeria is governed based on 6 to 12 geopolitical zones. And autonomy goes deep down to the village level.

abeggnow:
there is this miss conception that the Hausas are numerically superior. Its not true. Hausa, Fulanisand the various large tribes are not numerically superior but collectively they are. There is this feeling of oneness when it comes to the North. I agree the present central system seem bias towards the south but the cause is actually the south.

shadeyinka:

I agree with you.
I should have said politically numerically superior. Until the whole south east to west to south-south unite, we'll continue to see this problem

abeggnow:
which will never happen.look at th history in Nigeria domocrqcy has always brought out division because the politician have always used division as tools.we need to create a democratic process that works for us. Because where there we like it or not we need one another to survive. Me my familly is both from the North and south and because of this i understand both regions well and the mentality

shadeyinka:

The main problems of politics from the perspective of the electorates in Nigeria are
1. Poverty:
Which make the electorates sell their votes for N3500
2. Illiteracy:
The electorates don't seem to know what they want from the political class.

The main problems with respect to our national values
1. Corruption:
A politician goes to office to enrich himself and this is accepted
2. Failure of Law and Justice
Politicians seem above the law.

abeggnow:
I agree with you on all points mentioned also also we don't have a political system hence the lack of party ideology.

shadeyinka:

Unless the current political structure disintegrate, I don't see a way out.

abeggnow:
But the people have real issues. the day we will stand up to say enough is enough changes will occur

shadeyinka:

When will that be when we are still manufacturing "alimajiris" by their millions every year and when poverty/inflation is increasing every month?

These are the electorates who perpetuates the curse

abeggnow:
almajiries in the million surely that over stating it

shadeyinka:

Would it be fair to say every state in the Northern Nigeria has close to 100,000 alimajiris?
Count the number of states and multiply and you see that my estimate isn't too far off nor outrageous.

abeggnow:
not every state . Mostly north west

shadeyinka:

My first major bad experience of Alimajiris was in the North East: Azare (former Bauchi State). ..about 20 of them licking perfectly clean a bowl of nunu a customer just finished drinking. For a long time, I couldn't buy nunu from the Fulani women at the market. It could be worse in the North West though and I don't know if it has been minimised. The menace rears its ugly head once you cross into Niger state till Sokoto. Even Abuja is under this scourge (even though relatively much smaller)

I think the Northern elites gain from it. In the west, Muslim children as a rule goes to standard schools in the morning and in the evenings the children goes to Koranic schools. I think this is a better approach. Unfortunately, I see the north going for having higher population through uncontrolled birth rates (for electoral relevancy) through this means at the expense of mass poverty and general backwardness through lack of education.

abeggnow:
I think the higher birth rate is due to poverty, ignorance, and literacy.