benjanjo1:
and you are happy about this?!

sonmvayina:
Your Op is misleading, it is Christianity that is paganism... It is alien to the laws of God as contained in the Torah..

CoolUsername:
With all the refugees they're importing from the Middle East they're going to be overrun by Islam.

budaatum:

Article said paganism, and not Islam! Europeans do not abandon their heritage that easily.

CoolUsername:


It's as simple as the Muslims outbreeding the local population. The reality is that by 2050 Islam would be the most dominant religion in terms of population size. If a significant portion nightmare to Europe now like what is already happening then a significant portion of that 1 billion would be in Europe.

Once in majority, the Muslims would institute draconian laws and make life a living hell for the minority religions like they do everywhere.

CoolUsername:


It's as simple as the Muslims outbreeding the local population. The reality is that by 2050 Islam would be the most dominant religion in terms of population size. If a significant portion nightmare to Europe now like what is already happening then a significant portion of that 1 billion would be in Europe.

Once in majority, the Muslims would institute draconian laws and make life a living hell for the minority religions like they do everywhere.

fieryy:


But what does 'outbreeding' have to do with the 'refugees they're importing from the Middle East'? First generation's of Muslims in western countries have less children than those in the Middle East.
The 'outbreeding' is going to take place regardless of immigration or not. Funny enough, Africans to whom Christianity was brought to will make up the highest percentage of Christians in the world

budaatum:

History would tell you that the laws of most countries in Europe would not allow any religion to be imposed on anyone. There's been far too much blood shed for them to go so far backward. And you fail to realise the power of education. Most Muslims in Europe do not breed like you think nor would they accept what Muslims accept in many Muslim countries because of their western education which places huge emphasis 'on use your mind' instead of just gullibly believing what you are told to believe. It's what's killing Christianity and religion in general.

Even though the pagan in the op makes it sound like Europe is practising a religion of paganism, most would laugh in your face if you said "let's go worship" and didn't mean, in a pub.

CoolUsername:


Muslim populations in Europe still have a higher fertility rate (2.6 births per woman) than the native population (1.6 births per woman). It is generally accepted that a population needs a fertility rate of at least 2.1 to naturally maintain it's number. At 1.6, the native pollution is actively getting smaller. This, coupled with mass immigration from Muslim-majority countries means that the EU has its work cut out for it to assimilate these people into their culture or else they can expect cultural change along with demographic change. And we all know how integration has gone so far.

Also, I don't know why you brought Christianity into this. All religions are crap but the reality is that immigrants from Christian-majority countries don't drive trucks into innocent people or run child sex trafficking gangs specifically because they see the native women as whores.

sonmvayina:
Your Op is misleading, it is Christianity that is paganism... It is alien to the laws of God as contained in the Torah..

fieryy:


Seriously? Why would you suggest they get assimilated into the western culture? What kind of eurocentric racist mindset is that?

fieryy:

I actually thought by 'outbreeding' you meant, the muslim population is going to outnumber the Christian one (Christian because most western, if not all are Christian countries), but now I have a feeling by 'outbreeding' and your talks about assimilation, you mean Europeans will be outbred and their culture will go extinct etc

First of all, and so? Isn't that what's been happening since the beginning of human history? The Bantu people, who make up the majority of Africans migrated from the North. The North Africans today mostly migrated from Asia. The Australians today mostly migrated from Europe.
I mean, the largest migration in history is still that of the Great Atlantic Migration, when Europeans migrated to North America. And yes they might have not driven trucks into innocent people, but I know the percentage of the Aborigines of North America and Australia is for some reasons still extremely low.

fieryy:

Yes, globalization, wars, poverty or just the search for a better life might have led to a more rapid change than we are used to. However, this doesn't change the fact that this is a normal course in human history, one you can only slow down, but not stop.

CoolUsername:


Call it racist or eurocentric, it doesn't change the fact that western culture is a successful one which is why so many Africans and middle easterners run from their failed states to find a better life in Europe. Nigeria is a good example of one of those failed states.



Thanks for bringing up North America, what exactly happened to the Native Americans when the Europeans came? What happened to the Aborigines when the Europeans came? They became minorities in their own land, their culture was decimated, the Europeans brought western values into the land, and those places became a part of the West.

The same would happen in Europe, Muslims will bring in their Islamic culture and unless you're cool with living in Middle East-lite, you may have reservations. Islam does not tolerate dissent, it violently opposes gay rights, women's rights and is inherently antithetical to a lot of western values.



That is no reason to actively encourage the destruction your culture. Cultural integration occurs naturally between compatible cultures, this is an unnatural push by greedy globalists to import cheap labour at the expense of the little guy.

Read up rape statistics in Sweden, read up on the Islamic child-rape gangs in the UK that specifically targeted poor white girls and was downplayed by the police.

If things continue like this resentment is going to build up all over Europe. The pendulum always swings to the extreme before it settles down.

CoolUsername:


These laws and traditions are based on the countries' values. When the continent has a demographic change overnight, you suddenly get a bunch of adults who have no connection to these values. It would be very difficult to assimilate such a huge number of foreigners and get them to accept the culture of the land.

LordReed:


I actually get what you are saying and it is a threat I think European governments have no clue how to deal with.

budaatum:

First, you can't have a "demographic change overnight", such things take centuries. You just need check how long it took to establish Christianity over Britain's paganism to see that.

And the original religion evolves too as those you bring it to develop in further in their own minds which is usually a product of long learning through the ages. Even now, British Muslims predominantly have different understanding of Islam to say Nigerians. Even Nigerian Christians predominantly differ from British Christians!

If you seriously think British thought which they are very proud of, could be replaced with Islam that they have studied more objectively than likely any other nation on Earth, I'd say you don't know English, the greatest religion on earth.

Population of Muslims in UK, by the way, is like 5%. British people are not taking up a new religion, they are abandoning religion entirely.

LordReed:


I actually get what you are saying and it is a threat I think European governments have no clue how to deal with. Not that I blame them because like fieryy pointed out this is almost like the natural course of history. Islam also teaches world domination by Islam and teaches it that it is inevitable so Muslims really have almost no incentive not to dominate any place they occupy and given the nature of law and democratic institutions they will use it to their advantage. Look at that recent piece of news that said a New Jersey city was putting forward legislation that will allow mosques to use loudspeakers to do call to prayer. Guess what? There are muslims on the city council and this shows they successfully used democratic processes to push for their agenda.

I fear it is almost too late for Western democracies to do anything about it, mostly because they are doing nothing about it or they are entirely clueless. I think one solution is to staunchly entrench the separation between religion and state such that democratic institutions cannot be used to further religious agendas or institutions but the Christians think it is to their favour to allow religion to skew government because they are in the ascendancy right now. When the shoe is on the other foot they'll wish differently for sure.

CoolUsername:


The UK has already started taking the right steps by parting ways with the EU but the problem has unfortunately already come to stay. Knife attacks are at an all time high, so high that they banned all knives in public, they even arrested a guy for carrying a potato peeler.

Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan said that terrorist attacks are part and parcel of living in a big city. There have been Islamic child-rape gangs running in the country for decades that have systemically targeted poor white girls and the police tried to cover it up to prevent 'racial profiling'.

At 5%, the population of Muslims is probably manageable, but if the government changes hands to a more leftist party, you can be sure that the borders will be opened once again to all the problems that Muslim refugees bring.

CoolUsername:


Incredibly based thinking, Muslims are not afraid of using the freedom given to them by Western countries to subvert the culture of the land. A large percentage of Muslims see no problem with the institution of Sharia law as the law of the land. Now, when you look at the punishments that Sharia law prescribes for heinous crimes such as having premarital sex, being LGBT, or leaving Islam (all death of course), the real danger of mass immigration of Muslims should be clear.

I'll post the stats below for everyone to see.

budaatum:

You sound like those who claimed the blacks would take over, yet, here we are fighting for equal rights.

There is no threat, my Lord. Europeans are adept at keeping their crown jewels safe regardless who raids them. Its why they.actually teach equal rights now, making people tolerant of differences.

When Brits talk of the Magna Carta, they don't just mean the literal words themselves, but the spirit of it which includes its evolution over time.

Delete 'church' from Clause 1 and you might see what I mean.

LordReed:

Muslims are taught these things and will use every opportunity to effect it.

CoolUsername:


Call it racist or eurocentric, it doesn't change the fact that western culture is a successful one which is why so many Africans and middle easterners run from their failed states to find a better life in Europe. Nigeria is a good example of one of those failed states.



Thanks for bringing up North America, what exactly happened to the Native Americans when the Europeans came? What happened to the Aborigines when the Europeans came? They became minorities in their own land, their culture was decimated, the Europeans brought western values into the land, and those places became a part of the West.

The same would happen in Europe, Muslims will bring in their Islamic culture and unless you're cool with living in Middle East-lite, you may have reservations. Islam does not tolerate dissent, it violently opposes gay rights, women's rights and is inherently antithetical to a lot of western values.



That is no reason to actively encourage the destruction your culture. Cultural integration occurs naturally between compatible cultures, this is an unnatural push by greedy globalists to import cheap labour at the expense of the little guy.

Read up rape statistics in Sweden, read up on the Islamic child-rape gangs in the UK that specifically targeted poor white girls and was downplayed by the police.

If things continue like this resentment is going to build up all over Europe. The pendulum always swings to the extreme before it settles down.

budaatum:

There will be church buildings allowed to be erected in Mecca and Medina when people in Mecca and Medina require one though I don't see a wave of church builders rushing over to Mecca and Medina to build churches.

You used to be a Christian my Lord, going to a church they taught you love your neighbour, do not covet, do not steal etc but do tell, did you not leave the church because they were not practising what they preached?

Not all Muslims learn those things you claim they're taught. Most are like most humans, regardless of religion, after their daily bread. And that's apart from the fact that it sure would take quite a lot to ascend, don't you think ,my Lord?

fieryy:


The western culture is a successful one because....?!

I mean, I'm still yet to understand what exactly your point is. What is happening now is what has always happened and will probably continue to happen!

fieryy:

There's no point telling me to read stupid statistics of what Muslims have done and not done, when these are things Christians have done in the course of history!
For centuries the West believed it was their God-given right to conquer territories on every goddamn continent, where the locals would be subjugated to their colonial masters. This, along with the rise of the Industrial Revolution is what makes western countries what they are today. As a matter of fact what still makes them what they are today is the ongoing never ending neocolonialism.

fieryy:

You're talking about the poor white girls being raped, but not about the poor black girls who were raped and whose raped had been justified with the Bible. Hypocrite much?

fieryy:

And FOR ALL THE IGNORANT MINDS:

It was ISLAM that paved the way for Europe’s Renaissance. The order of algebra, magnetic compass and tools of navigation, mastery of pens and printing, medicine and science were all birthed in Arab countries. In fact, arabic science was the most advanced in the world up until the thirteenth century!

fieryy:

If not for the Mongol invasion and the four crusades, in which Christians wanted to reclaim a land that was never theirs, the western countries might probably be lagging behind the eastern ones, just like they had lagged behind other Mediterranean civilizations, such as that of the Byzantine Empire and the Islamic Empire of the Middle East and North Africa.

Displaying Muslims as Barbarians is absolutely wrong, as this are human beings as well. But calling out Muslims, calling them barbarians while hailing Christians for the exact same deed is you just being a hypocrite!

'Islam does not tolerate dissent, it violently opposes gay rights, women's rights and is inherently antithetical to a lot of western values'

And since when does Christianity does?! Or any kind of abrahamic relogion for that matter?!

The reason why Western countries tolerate accept such is certainly not because of Christianity, but due to the separation of church and state. Before this, such were impossible. Coupled with that, there's been a growing distant to churches in Europe and the education system itself encourages thinking for yourself!

fieryy:

Besides, Muslims born and raised in western countries are far more liberal than their counterparts in the Middle East. This is normal and this is human. Africans abroad also are on the average more liberal that their counterparts in Africa.

fieryy:

Besides for you to assume the European/western culture is just going to go into oblivion is absolutely ridiculous. And for you to assume the laws and regulations will easily be replaced by foreign ones is even more ridiculous.

No, I'm not encouraging the destruction of any kind of culture. All, I'm saying is, this is a NATURAL COURSE, which has taken place for centuries and which will take place in centuries to come. In other words, whether you like it or not 'deal with! '.

LordReed:


My dear buda that day may never come as Christians are not even allowed into Mecca.

Unless that Muslim doesn't go to mosque there is no how he will not be taught that.

It takes a lot ascend but when you get to the position to have the keys what will stop you?