MistadeRegal:
Why is the following quote missing from your writeup?

Revelation 7:9-17 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

safepaulooo:
The great multitude mentioned at Revelation 7:9 standing before the throne and before the lamb, are they also in heaven? To be spoken of as standing before the throne and before the lamb does not necessarily mean they are in heaven. A person can be on earth physically and be spoken of as standing before God and Jesus figuratively in the sense of receiving their approval or favor. Matthew 25:31, 32 says that “all the nations” – which will include the wicked will be gathered before Jesus on his glorious throne. But Jesus will be in heaven and these ones will be on earth because for sure the WICKED will not be in heaven. So all the nations being gathered before Jesus does not mean they will have to be in heaven. One does not have to be in heaven in order to be gathered before Jesus. The wicked who are part of ALL NATIONS will not need to be in heaven. They will be on earth physically but be gathered before Jesus (who will be in heaven) figuratively.

Secondly, Revelation 6: 15-17 shows that people on earth which will include kings, high officials, military commanders, the rich, the strong, the slave will seek to hide from the face of the one seated on the throne and from the wrath of the lamb, Jesus but will not be able to STAND. These ones of course will be on earth while God and Jesus are in heaven. They do not have to be in heaven physically to fulfill those words in Revelation 6:15-17. Their being unable to STAND figuratively before God means they fail to receive God’s approval. So even though they are on earth physically they fail to STAND before God and Jesus (who are in heaven) figuratively in the sense of failing to receive their APPROVAL.

So really Matthew 25:31, 32 and Revelation 6:15-17 helps us understand that one does not have to be in heaven literally in order to be spoken of as being gathered or standing before God and Jesus. However, take note of the difference between being GATHERED before the throne and STANDING before the throne. As used in those scriptures, those being GATHERED differ from those STANDING because the latter receive God’s approval. That is the situation with the great multitude of Revelation 7:9, they are spoken of as STANDING before God and Jesus meaning they are APPROVED. This though is what the persons spoken of in Revelation 6:15-17 fail to achieve.

So in summary, Revelation 7:9- 17 refers to a great multitude of faithful followers of Jesus who though are physically or literally on earth, STAND before God and Jesus figuratively in the sense that they receive his APPROVAL. They are the ones spoken of in Psalm 37:29 and Matthew 5:5, righteous ones who will live forever on a restored earthly paradise made possible by God’s Kingdom government comprised of Jesus and his 144,000 co-rulers.

petra1:
The 144,000 are jewish evangelists that will be sent to witness to israel during their tribulations. They will later be transferred to heaven

safepaulooo:
If you read my first post carefully especially the SCRIPTURES cited, you will understand that the 144,000 persons are bought from every tribe, people and nation of the earth. First in Revelation 14: 3, It identified this 144,000 persons as BOUGHT FROM THE EARTH, then Revelation 5:9,10 specifies that they were bought with the blood of Christ FROM EVERY TRIBE, TONGUES, PEOPLES AND NATIONS and will serve to RULE OVER THE EARTH. So they are certainly not Jewish evangelists.

MistadeRegal:
Why is the following quote missing from your writeup?

Revelation 7:9-17 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

petra1:


They are from the tribes of israel. if the bible says otherwise you may quote scripture out

Maximus69:

Chapter 14 cleared it all Sir!
Chapter 14:1 ~ Those going to heaven. Chapter 14:6 ~ Those who will live on earth.

MistadeRegal:


You're very wrong about this.
Study your Bible more properly.

Maximus69:


You talk like someone who have info that's not based on God's word Sir!

In the beginning God only had earth in mind for humans {Psalms 115:16} there was nothing like going to heaven. It was the case of who rules that brought about heaven or no heaven.

We're not following Churchgoers ideology, we STUDY GOD'S WORD! 2Timothy 3:16-17

MistadeRegal:


Well, but you talk like someone who didn't understand the Bible. If you think GOD is not going to terminate this earth, then you still have a lot to study and learn. This present earth is not going to remain for ever. The new earth is not same as this current one. Unless you're a proselyte indoctrinated with wrong teachings.

MistadeRegal:


Well, but you talk like someone who didn't understand the Bible. If you think GOD is not going to terminate this earth, then you still have a lot to study and learn. This present earth is not going to remain for ever. The new earth is not same as this current one. Unless you're a proselyte indoctrinated with wrong teachings.

Dtruthspeaker:
Why do you people like to change things, eh? I dey suspect you

Na like this changing of Truth, first dey start: small small, you go think say na small error wey no mean anything.

Then the next thing, dem don change EVERYTHING, and you no go still know, and those wey know go dey wonder wen dem take change am!

CHRIST NEVER SAID HEAVENLY LIFE!

He Clearly Said ETERNAL LIFE! Not the same thing.

There is no profit or gain in fighting over this Issues nor of Continuously chiming about it. Every one knows and has heard of Eternal Life.

But talking about it all day would never make it yours until you have passed all your Examinations Here.

It is only Qualified Applicants in a Job Interview or a School Exam that shall be placed in an Office or in a Class (Eternal Life).

Admiring the Offices and Classrooms WILL NEVER PLACE YOU IN THEM!

safepaulooo:
IT'S OBVIOUS YOU HAVE NOT READ THE WRITE-UP / POSTS ON THIS THREAD. READ AND MEDITATE THOROUGHLY ON ALL OF IT ESPECIALLY THE CITED SCRIPTURES WITH HONESTY, SINCERITY AND AN OPEN MIND, WITHOUT BIAS TO WHAT YOU HAVE KNOWN BEFORE, A BELL WILL RING IN YOU.

Dtruthspeaker:


Why would I read your write up when your Header is already Wrong and very Misleading?

Your write up must follow your Header. And if your header is bad, then your write up must be...

safepaulooo:
It's wrong to judge a book by its cover (or theme). Proverbs 18 vs 13 says "When anyone replies to a matter before he hears the facts, it is foolish and humiliating". Heed the wise admonition of this scripture by hearing the facts of the matter first before replying. This implies that you take the time to read through the entire write-up I have posted here ESPECIALLY THE SCRIPTURES CITED before you can make any rational reply otherwise your response would only be sentimental and lacking good judgement. You may unintentionally be depriving yourself of beneficial scriptural fact.

I must state however, that your noticing the title of this thread and being moved to make a reply shows you are a spiritual person and certainly have a passion for the scriptures. Spiritual persons dont just scratch the surface of such sensitive matter, they explore it entirely. Then if after exhaustively examining my write-up, you still have reservations I would be glad to hear / read them.

safepaulooo:
In John 14:1-3, Jesus promised his followers heavenly life saying in my father’s house there are many abodes. But the question is was he promising ALL his followers heavenly life?

safepaulooo:

Revelation 14:1-3 shows that 144,000 persons will be taken from earth to heaven. Read Rev 14:1, the lamb (Jesus) stands on mount zion and with him 144,000 persons. Where were they? Verses 2 and 3 says a sound was coming out from HEAVEN and it was the 144,000 singing a special song with their harps. That confirms that the 144,000 persons were in heaven with Jesus. The ending part of verse 3 says the 144,000 were BOUGHT from the EARTH. So Rev 14:1-3 makes it clear that 144,000 persons were BOUGHT from the earth with christ blood and taken to heaven where they are seen with the lamb, Jesus Christ. This is a fulfillment of John 14:1-3 where christ promised his followers heavenly life. In other words he was not making that promise to ALL his followers but to 144,000 of his followers. That number started to be gathered right from his early apostles.

What will be their function in heaven? Revelation 5: 9,10 explains that these ones BOUGHT with the blood of Christ are from every tribe, tongues, people’s and nations and will serve to RULE over the earth. So if only 144,000 followers of Christ will be in heaven with him to serve as CO-RULERS with him, what of the rest multitude of Christ followers? Keep in mind, that in a system where there are rulers there must be SUBJECTS to benefit from the rulership. That Rev. 5: 10 says they RULE over the earth, will they be ruling over animals and vegetation? Surely not! READ Matt 5: 3 and 5. Whereas verse 3 mentions the prospect of Kingdom of heaven, verse 5 mentions the prospect of inheriting the earth. In other words there are TWO prospects which God has in store for faithful ones. The rulers will be in heaven alongside christ whereas the subjects will inherit the earth to enjoy that heavenly rulership. Psalm 37:29 states that the RIGHTEOUS WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH . They will be the subjects to enjoy a RESTORED PARADISE which that heavenly rulership of Christ and the 144,000 will bring about. Think about this, even in countries today everybody cannot be in rulership positions, there must be subjects and they are always the MAJORITY while the rulers are the MINORITY. So 144,000 will be in heaven with christ as rulers to fulfill christ words at John 14:1-3 while a vast majority of other faithful followers of Christ will live forever on earth in paradise. These ones on earth will see the fulfillment of God’s original purpose stated to Adam, which is for the earth to be inhabited by obedient humans in paradise condition forever. That purpose cannot fail otherwise God has become a liar who cannot fulfill his words and that can NEVER happen. God’s words and purpose will surely be fulfilled as explained in Isaiah 55:10, 11.

So in summary, Jesus words in John 14:1-3 were directed to 144,000 of his faithful followers whereas other faithful followers will enjoy paradise earth forever as obedient human subjects. A prospect which Adam lost. No wonder christ taught us to pray the LORD’S PRAYER (Matt 6:9, 10), our father in heaven....let your KINGDOM come, let your will TAKE PLACE as in HEAVEN also on EARTH. God’s WILL for the earth is for it to serve as a PARADISE HOME for mankind FOREVER. (Psalm 37:29 and Ecclesiastic 1:4). The Kingdom also called government (Isaiah 9:6) will rest on the shoulders of Christ and together with his 144,000 co-rulers bought from the earth with his blood, they will RESTORE God’s WILL for the earth – a paradise home for obedient humans FOREVER.

PLEASE READ ALL CITED SCRIPTURES AND CAREFULLY MEDITATE ON THEM.

Dtruthspeaker:
And as I said and felt at the first, your heading and your post are the one and the same, and my Judgement of it was intact.