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Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:47pm On May 14
donnie:


Stop pretending like you don't know it is me. You've already engaged in discussions on these things with me.

Were you not one of Chris Oyakhilome's ministers if not pastors? undecided
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:52pm On May 14
Maximus69:


Psalms 11:5


What has that got to do with the topic at hand? Haven't you seen that you've been deceived just as Muhammad Ali got deceived? undecided
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:22pm On May 18
MuttleyLaff:


"Jesus answered and said to him,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, except anyone be born from above, he is not able to see
the kingdom of God.
"
- John 3:3

You have absolutely no idea what "born from above" aka "born again" You can't correctly exegete it, even if your life depended on it. Smh. Charlatan!

Why arent I surprised, you arent for any religion though or that you erroneously believe religion has destroyed.

Fyi donnie, false religion(s), impure religion, religion that God will find faults, flaws, warts and all with, have confused and foxtrot, uniform, charlie, kilo-ed you up.

I can even see you didnt watch the clip and even if you did, you didnt watch it from start to end. Muhammad Ali formerly Cassius X but then originally named Cassius Marcellus Clay was scammed just like you are. You both ended up being confused more than a goat lost wandering on an astro turf. You both jumped out of a fire pot straight into the fire place, lmao. Muhammad Ali jumped from one slave master's name to another slave master's name lmao.

Go check American record, slavery there, barely lasted a century, give or take. Go find out when it started and when ended or abolished.

Slavery to America came last in the groovy party. The Arabs, descendants of Shem were first in the game taking Japheth's descendants as slaves before turning on their half brothers, the Shemites and of course their other brothers, the Hamites, as slaves too.

Cassius Marcellus Clay was not the name of a slave master, he was an abolitionist who convinced Abraham Lincoln to write the emancipation proclamation unlike Muhammad Ali who inadvertently took on the names of slave masters, he truly was scammed by the 'scammerers'. shocked
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by MuttleyLaff: 2:13pm On May 18
OLAADEGBU:
Cassius Marcellus Clay was not the name of a slave master, he was an abolitionist who convinced Abraham Lincoln to write the emancipation proclamation unlike Muhammad Ali who inadvertently took on the names of slave masters, he truly was scammed by the 'scammerers'. shocked
Muhammad Ali, was originally named Cassius Marcellus Clay Jnr after his dad, Cassius Marcellus Clay Snr, a handsome, hard drinking, skirt chasing dandy of a daddy man.

The separate or other Cassius Marcellus Clay, the politician, was a slave master, who upon hearing the speech of abolitionist William Llyod Garrison freed the slaves that were handed down to him as his inheritance from his father, then went to work for the abolition of slavery
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:43pm On May 18
MuttleyLaff:


Muhammad Ali, was originally named Cassius Marcellus Clay Jnr after his dad, Cassius Marcellus Clay Snr, a handsome, hard drinking, skirt chasing dandy of a daddy man.

The separate or other Cassius Marcellus Clay, the politician, was a slave master, who upon hearing hearing the speech of abolitionist William Llyod Garrison freed the slaves that were handed down to him as his inheritance from his father, then went to work for the abolition of slavery

God bless you real good for this information. Much appreciated. smiley

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Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:52pm On May 19
drips8:


Muhammad Ali joined Islam and that was it. Both Islam and Christianity permit slavery, you're simply supporting one side.

The other guy was downplaying the brutality of American slavery simply because it was practiced by Christian slavers. imagine saying that slavery barely lasted a century in America. He doesn't acknowledge the sufferings from slavery to segregation and modern day racial profiling.

Did Jesus own slaves, did Muhammad own slaves? Those are the questions you should resolve before you decide who is supporting slave trade.
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:52pm On May 19
helinues:


And this are the people claiming they are preaching peace while they are intolerant to others religion.

Anyways, all the religion self na scam..

Pot calling kettle black.. undecided undecided

Who said that Jesus was tolerant? undecided
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by helinues: 1:54pm On May 19
OLAADEGBU:


Who said that Jesus was tolerant? undecided

And where did I mention Jesus?
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:28pm On May 19
helinues:


And where did I mention Jesus?

If you are referring to Christianity you should use Jesus who is the beginning and author of our faith as an example. I ask again, was Jesus tolerant of other religions? undecided
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by helinues: 2:30pm On May 19
OLAADEGBU:


If you are referring to Christianity you should use Jesus who is the beginning and author of our faith as an example. I ask again, was Jesus tolerant of other religions? undecided

Why was he arrested ?
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:38pm On May 19
helinues:


Why was he arrested ?

Who are you referring to? Jesus, Muhammad or Muhammad Ali? undecided
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by helinues: 2:40pm On May 19
OLAADEGBU:


Who are you referring to? Jesus, Muhammad or Muhammad Ali? undecided

Jesus
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:58pm On May 19
helinues:


Jesus

Yes, Jesus was arrested.
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by helinues: 2:59pm On May 19
OLAADEGBU:


Yes, Jesus was arrested.

For doing what?
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:11pm On May 19
helinues:


For doing what?

For participating in slave trade. cool
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by Maximus69: 5:00pm On May 19
OLAADEGBU:


What has that got to do with the topic at hand? Haven't you seen that you've been deceived just as Muhammad Ali got deceived? undecided

God detests all those who loves violence!

So there is nothing worth considering in the life of a boxer for true Christians! smiley
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by drips8(m): 5:26am On May 20
OLAADEGBU:


Did Jesus own slaves, did Muhammad own slaves? Those are the questions you should resolve before you decide who is supporting slave trade.

Jesus never had slaves but that doesn't mean that Christianity is against slavery. Just like how Jesus never got married but he supported the idea of it.
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:40am On May 21
drips8:


Jesus never had slaves but that doesn't mean that Christianity is against slavery. Just like how Jesus never got married but he supported the idea of it.

You judge a religion by what their founders do or say. Where did Jesus support slave trade? undecided

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Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by Maximus69: 8:27am On May 21
OLAADEGBU:


You judge a religion by what their founders do or say. Where did Jesus support slave trade? undecided

Abraham the patriarch had slaves and Jesus never said anything against it.

It's the rebellion in Eden that led to so many evil things mankind practiced but Jesus had to take it one after another.

Note that Jesus never handled money throughout his ministry, an indication that we won't also need money in God's kingdom.

But for now mankind is working out things gradually after considering thngs making it difficult for us to live together in peace.

Jesus actually worked hard blot out racism and politics from the minds of his followers, this has helped them to continue in the concept of forming a global family.

Even after Christianity has been firmly established, first century Christian still had slaves, both masters and their slaves embraced Christianity, that's why Apostle Paul wrote in his letter to Christians in Colossea to treat each other well despite the gap in their social status! Colossians 3:23 smiley
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by MuttleyLaff: 8:41am On May 21
Fair Treatment of Slaves
"1These are the regulations you must present to Israel.
2If you buy a Hebrew slave, he may serve for no more than six years.
Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom
.
3If he was single when he became your slave, he shall leave single.
But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife must be freed with him.
4“If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave and they had sons or daughters,
then only the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.
5But the slave may declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I don’t want to go free.
6If he does this, his master must present him before God.
Then his master must take him to the door or doorpost and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.
After that, the slave will serve his master for life.
7“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.
8If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again.
But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.
9But if the slave’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave but as a daughter.
10“If a man who has married a slave wife takes another wife for himself,
he must not neglect the rights of the first wife to food, clothing, and sexual intimacy.
11If he fails in any of these three obligations, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment
"
- Exodus 21:1-11
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:48am On May 21
Maximus69:


Abraham the patriarch had slaves and Jesus never said anything against it.

It's the rebellion in Eden that led to so many evil things mankind practiced but Jesus had to take it one after another.

Note that Jesus never handled money throughout his ministry, an indication that we won't also need money in God's kingdom.

But for now mankind is working out things gradually after considering thngs making it difficult for us to live together in peace.

Jesus actually worked hard blot out racism and politics from the minds of his followers, this has helped them to continue in the concept of forming a global family.

Even after Christianity has been firmly established, first century Christian still had slaves, both masters and their slaves embraced Christianity, that's why Apostle Paul wrote in his letter to Christians in Colossea to treat each other well despite the gap in their social status! Colossians 3:23 smiley

There is a difference between slave trade and having slaves/servants. Don't we have slaves/servants in Africa? Is it not different to what obtains in the middle east today? undecided
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by MuttleyLaff: 8:53am On May 21
Maximus69:
Abraham the patriarch had slaves and Jesus never said anything against it.

It's the rebellion in Eden that led to so many evil things mankind practiced but Jesus had to take it one after another.

Note that Jesus never handled money throughout his ministry, an indication that we won't also need money in God's kingdom.

But for now mankind is working out things gradually after considering thngs making it difficult for us to live together in peace.

Jesus actually worked hard blot out racism and politics from the minds of his followers, this has helped them to continue in the concept of forming a global family.

Even after Christianity has been firmly established, first century Christian still had slaves, both masters and their slaves embraced Christianity, that's why Apostle Paul wrote in his letter to Christians in Colossea to treat each other well despite the gap in their social status! Colossians 3:23 smiley
The royal law commanded by Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world automatically says volumes against having slaves. The essence of the royal law speaks against slave trade.

OLAADEGBU:
There is a difference between slave trade and having slaves/servants. Don't we have slaves/servants in Africa? Is it not different to what obtains in the middle east today? undecided
As like OLAADEGBU has put it, Jesus did not endorse slavery and neither subscribed to slave trade. Some are judging a belief system by what certain patriarchs did or say.

Slavery was ubiquitous in the Mesopotamia day and time of living of the patriarchs, and so, it is not uncommon or strange for Egyptians to be bought or captured as slaves.

From the beginning, it was never so, that one man should dominate or subjugate a fellow man. This was never part of God's vision, mission and intention.
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by Maximus69: 10:30am On May 21
OLAADEGBU:


There is a difference between slave trade and having slaves/servants. Don't we have slaves/servants in Africa? Is it not different to what obtains in the middle east today? undecided

There is a huge difference between slave and servant!

Slave ~ human kidnapped and sold to rich people, the slave could be killed at owner's order.

Servant ~ one working to earn money or forced to labour in other to clear a debt, unlike the slave master or mistress of a servant will be held responsible if anything happens to a servant.

If there were no slave business back in those days {Genesis 39:1} Abraham can't have slaves! smiley
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by MuttleyLaff: 11:56am On May 21
Maximus69:
There is a huge difference between slave and servant!

Slave ~ human kidnapped and sold to rich people, the slave could be killed at owner's order.

Servant ~ one working to earn money or forced to labour in other to clear a debt, unlike the slave master or mistress of a servant will be held responsible if anything happens to a servant.

If there were no slave business back in those days {Genesis 39:1} Abraham can't have slaves! smiley
Chief, stay focused because OLAADEGBU is not talking about about huge difference between slave and servant, instead OLAADEGBU is talking about the difference between slave trade and having slaves/servants. Stick with the program abeggy.
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by drips8(m): 12:37pm On May 21
Jesus seemed okay with slavery since he had countless opportunities to speak up against it but he chose not and that indicates some level of tolerance. Besides, in Matthew 8:5 -9, Jesus was clearly aware since he healed a sick slave but Jesus could have given the slaver the condition to free him since if he was against slavery as you want me to believe but he didn't.

There is not a lot of evidence whether he supported or not but we all know that silence equals consent.
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by drips8(m): 12:38pm On May 21
OLAADEGBU:


You judge a religion by what their founders do or say. Where did Jesus support slave trade? undecided

Jesus seemed okay by slavery since he had countless opportunities to speak up against it but he chose not and that indicates some level of tolerance. Besides, in Matthew 8:5 -9.

Jesus was clearly aware since he healed a sick slave but Jesus could have given the slaver the condition to free him since he was against slavery you want me to believe but he didn't.

There is not a lot of evidence whether he supported or not but we all know that silence equals consent.
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by drips8(m): 12:39pm On May 21
OLAADEGBU:


You judge a religion by what their founders do or say. Where did Jesus support slave trade? undecided

Jesus seemed okay by slavery since he had countless opportunities to speak up against it but he chose not and that indicates some level of tolerance. Besides, in Matthew 8:5 -9. Jesus was clearly aware since he healed a sick slave but Jesus could have given the slaver the condition to free him if he was against slavery as you want me to believe but he didn't.

There is not a lot of evidence whether he supported or not but we all know that silence equals consent.
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by Maximus69: 4:53pm On May 21
It's a free world Sir, just drop your comment and leave others.

Nobody made anyone the moderator here! smiley
MuttleyLaff:
Chief, stay focused because OLAADEGBU is not talking about about huge difference between slave and servant, instead OLAADEGBU is talking about the difference between slave trade and having slaves/servants. Stick with the program abeggy.
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:50pm On May 21
drips8:


Jesus seemed okay by slavery since he had countless opportunities to speak up against it but he chose not and that indicates some level of tolerance. Besides, in Matthew 8:5 -9. Jesus was clearly aware since he healed a sick slave but Jesus could have given the slaver the condition to free him if he was against slavery as you want me to believe but he didn't.

There is not a lot of evidence whether he supported or not but we all know that silence equals consent.

Jesus' mission was to set us free indeed from the slavery to sin and the power of darkness.

Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:04pm On May 21
Maximus69:


God detests all those who loves violence!

So there is nothing worth considering in the life of a boxer for true Christians! smiley

The Kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent takes it by force. Has this verse been expunged from your NWT? undecided
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:08pm On May 21
Maximus69:


There is a huge difference between slave and servant!

Slave ~ human kidnapped and sold to rich people, the slave could be killed at owner's order.

Servant ~ one working to earn money or forced to labour in other to clear a debt, unlike the slave master or mistress of a servant will be held responsible if anything happens to a servant.

If there were no slave business back in those days {Genesis 39:1} Abraham can't have slaves! smiley

Going by your definition of a slave. Was kidnapping not an offence punishable by death in the Mosaic law? If so, why would the Israelites be participating in slave trade? undecided
Re: How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived By Islam & Why Cassius Clay Was His Greatest Name by Maximus69: 10:36pm On May 21
OLAADEGBU:


The Kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violence takes it by force. Has this verse been expunged from your NWT? undecided

So it's through physical boxing that God's Kingdom is to be taken, shey? Ephesians 6:12 embarassed

Well you asked a question and for the benefit of other humble followers i'll answer.

The Kingdom of God suffers violence from the days of John the baptist means all the servants of God before John the baptist were declared righteous based on the things they knew about God, but right from the time of John the baptist whoever will be declared righteous will pay so much including denying himself of so many things {Matthew 10:34-39} Christianity will cost adherents so much!

It's only those who are violent in spirit (those who are ready to give it all what it takes) could be declared righteous from the day of John the baptist! Luke 18:18-23 compare to Revelations 12:11 smiley

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