Look at how deserted this thread is, where are the yorober e-warriors?

Yoroberhero aka legendhero and his brothers? Come and spice this thread up.

Why are we not seeing the so called "we the south south" in this thread? like someone said, "if Awolowo were alive he would have like 30 we the south south nairaland handle"

Q

Many people on Nairaland are beclouded by emotion fueled by irrational hatred for other tribes called Tribalism rather logical reasoning.

Constitutional requirements for conducting the referendum to create new Regions;

1) Two-third majority votes in their present region (in this case, the Western Regional House of Assembly).

2) Two-third majority votes in the National Assembly.



My questions:
Could the minorities in the Mid-Western area on their own mustered two-third majority votes in the Western Regional House of Assembly, Ibadan if the Majority population of Western Region were strongly opposed to it?

In 1963, Nigeria was under Democratic rule and NOT Military rule, there was nothing Azikiwe/Balewa who weren't members of the Western House of Assembly could have done to force the House to vote for the motion.

They were however LOBBIED by the Mid-Western leaders to instruct their party members in the National Assembly to support the motion for the referendum.



The primary reason why the Biafran referendum will NOT take place is because the agitatators don't lobby other Nigerians to support the referendum but rather are preaching hatred against them.

Biafrarep:


They are still telling lies so shamelessly even when caught. Who did you give independence? Was it not NCNC through Zik that collaborated with with Ahmadu Bello's NPN that forced referendum on the Western region?

Even this report stated that Awolowo's AG formed a shadowy group to frustrate the referendum and even made the ridiculous claim that Igbos will dominate the Benis if they should go ahead with the referendum. Lol, I can even draw some parallels with those blackmails of Awolowo's AG to what is happening in recent times between Igbos and the minorities. They are now telling the minorities how Igbos are after their oil and would subjugate them should they align with us.

The evil that is currently going on in Nigeria did not start today. SMH!

oyatz:
Obviously you don't know what you are saying sir.

1) Total Colonial Government in Nigeria started in 1900. There was no regional Government (No Western Region at all) in the 1920s, so how can agitation for the creation of Mid-Western Region started in the 1920s.
The Richard's Constitution of 1950 created Regional Government.

2) Awolowo was an avowed supporter of Federalism based on ethnic groups.
He had created Ministry of Mid-West Affairs by 1956, fashioned after what was obtainable in the UK at that time where was a Ministry of Welsh Affairs.

3) Awolowo resigned as the Premier of Western Region in 1959, he wasn't the Premier during the referendum.

4) The creation for new Regions and the legal guildlines were introduced (Based on recommendations of the Willinks Commision of 1958) by the 1960 Independence Constitution which came into effect on Oct-1,1960 almost a year after Awolowo had left the Government of Western Region.

5) Dr Majekodunmi was an unelected Administrator of Western Region for SIX MONTHS in 1962.
He had no CONSTITUTIONAL roles to play in the referendum process.

6) The referendum had to be approved by the Regional Government which the Western Regional under SLA Akintola did in 1963, a year after Majekodunmi had left.

7) Separation of ordinary couples is often problematic let alone separation of peoples and lands by a political system which was new to the actors at that time without an advantage of learning from any historical precedence.
This was bound to generate conflicts of interests which was managed with maturity.

The Northern and Eastern Regions strongly frustrated any attempts to divide their territories to carve out regions for the minorities.


Learn to give credit to the Political actors of the Western Region (between 1956-1963) when it's due, it won't take anything from you.

Lol these your stand alone facts have no bearing on the points I stated

1 There was no Western region then but the Benin-Delta ppl saw what was coming and started to agitate-

"Meanwhile, Oba Eweka II became increasingly concerned about the long-term implications of various administrative proposals for new regions that would ride roughshod over the unique history and independence of most of the peoples of the Central Province, which later became the Benin and Warri Provinces. Therefore, in 1926, he requested the British to bring all the Edoid and Anioma (Western Ibo) areas together in one region that would have a direct reporting relationship with the center. He argued that the people of the Benin and Warri provinces were predominantly of one linguistic, cultural, religious, chieftaincy and historical stock and had functioned in the same cultural system before the British came. [File BP 44,VOL 1, The Oba of Benin. National Archives, Ibadan"

Their fears were confirmed when they were merged into the Western Province. Are you aware that until the Benin ppl fought to get Gaius Obaseki to represent them at the legislative council in 1935 it was a Yoruba trader living in Sapele who was representing the Benin ppl. If you've read through this thread you have seen how Midwest kings were provoked when they tried to make Yoruba the lingua franca at a meeting in 1942


2. You want to whitewash Awo? The same Awo that invited Oba Akenzua for a meeting to warn him that his campaign for a new region was political and the Oba told him that he wasnt doing politics and had to remind Awo that the Ooni of Ife and Alake of Abeokuta were open and active members of the Action group. The same Awo whose AG goons were hunting after Midwest activists whenever they crossd into yoruba land? There is too much info to even bother debating this here. Trying to claim that Awo who was leader of the Action Group was innocent because he was no longer premier is a big joke

3. Majekodunmi's administration withdrew the case against the referendum (that Akintola's agent) filed at the Supreme Court. This is not debatable at all. Like I said before Akintola got his seat back after the matter had been sealed and his legs were too shaky to object as he was desperate to please Balewa. In short his hands were tied not that he wanted it

nku5:


Lol these your stand alone facts have no bearing on the points I stated

1 There was no Western region then but the Benin-Delta ppl saw what was coming and started to agitate-

"Meanwhile, Oba Eweka II became increasingly concerned about the long-term implications of various administrative proposals for new regions that would ride roughshod over the unique history and independence of most of the peoples of the Central Province, which later became the Benin and Warri Provinces. Therefore, in 1926, he requested the British to bring all the Edoid and Anioma (Western Ibo) areas together in one region that would have a direct reporting relationship with the center. He argued that the people of the Benin and Warri provinces were predominantly of one linguistic, cultural, religious, chieftaincy and historical stock and had functioned in the same cultural system before the British came. [File BP 44,VOL 1, The Oba of Benin. National Archives, Ibadan"

Their fears were confirmed when they were merged into the Western Province. Are you aware that until the Benin ppl fought to get Gaius Obaseki to represent them at the legislative council in 1935 it was a Yoruba trader living in Sapele who was representing the Benin ppl. If you've read through this thread you have seen how Midwest kings were provoked when they tried to make Yoruba the lingua franca at a meeting in 1942


2. You want to whitewash Awo? The same Awo that invited Oba Akenzua for a meeting to warn him that his campaign for a new region was political and the Oba told him that he wasnt doing politics and had to remind Awo that the Ooni of Ife and Alake of Abeokuta were open and active members of the Action group. The same Awo whose AG goons were hunting after Midwest activists whenever they crossd into yoruba land? There is too much info to even bother debating this here. Trying to claim that Awo who was leader of the Action Group was innocent because he was no longer premier is a big joke

3. Majekodunmi's administration withdrew the case against the referendum (that Akintola's agent) filed at the Supreme Court. This is not debatable at all. Like I said before Akintola got his seat back after the matter had been sealed and his legs were too shaky to object as he was desperate to please Balewa. In short his hands were tied not that he wanted it

oga go and rest u re just talking trash and trying to be clever by half.

Agitation of Midwest Region in 1920 . this is the most ridiculous lie in this thread.
Do Midwestern Region have the numbers to get 2/3rd of the assembly ?

You can continue lying to yourself it doesn't change the fact on ground

The problem with Nairaland is that it's filled largely with people who don't read.

1) In the Second Republic, the UPN won in Bendel State.

Awolowo won in Bendel State and scored about 40% of the votes in Cross River State.

Prof Ambrose Folorunsho Alli of the UPN was Governor of Bendel State between 1979-1983.

2) Awolowo and Shagari jointly received most of the votes casted by the Southerner minorities while Azikiwe's NPP received about 5% of the votes in Bendel, Rivers and Cross River States.

Ex-Governor Adams Oshiomole of the ACN was Governor of Edo State for 8years. The incumbent Governor Obaseki is of the APC.

comos:
No wonder Edo and Delta always vote for a national party like the NCNC, NPN, PDP instead of a western regional party (AG, UPN, ACN, APC)

SonofDevil:
oga go and rest u re just talking trash and trying to be clever by half.

Agitation of Midwest Region in 1920 . this is the most ridiculous lie in this thread.
Do Midwestern Region have the numbers to get 2/3rd of the assembly ?

You can continue lying to yourself it doesn't change the fact on ground

bro. I'm a Yoruba and I'm also learning. Pls don't introduce abuse here. We might be known for all they've accused us but not abuses.

Your cock and bull story can not change the FACT that creation of the new Regions (now called States) was and still a CONSTITUTIONAL matter with well defined legal processes.

1) Two- third Majority votes in Western Regional Assembly.

2) Two-third majority votes in the National Assembly.

The two above CONSTITUTIONAL requirements MUST be met before the referendum could hold.




The Minorities in the Mid-Western Areas could NOT on their own alone meet these requirements.


3) Awolowo was NOT a member of the Western Regional Assembly or part of the Government since 1959.
Why is it difficult for you to understand this simple fact?

nku5:


Lol these your stand alone facts have no bearing on the points I stated

1 There was no Western region then but the Benin-Delta ppl saw what was coming and started to agitate-

"Meanwhile, Oba Eweka II became increasingly concerned about the long-term implications of various administrative proposals for new regions that would ride roughshod over the unique history and independence of most of the peoples of the Central Province, which later became the Benin and Warri Provinces. Therefore, in 1926, he requested the British to bring all the Edoid and Anioma (Western Ibo) areas together in one region that would have a direct reporting relationship with the center. He argued that the people of the Benin and Warri provinces were predominantly of one linguistic, cultural, religious, chieftaincy and historical stock and had functioned in the same cultural system before the British came. [File BP 44,VOL 1, The Oba of Benin. National Archives, Ibadan"

Their fears were confirmed when they were merged into the Western Province. Are you aware that until the Benin ppl fought to get Gaius Obaseki to represent them at the legislative council in 1935 it was a Yoruba trader living in Sapele who was representing the Benin ppl. If you've read through this thread you have seen how Midwest kings were provoked when they tried to make Yoruba the lingua franca at a meeting in 1942


2. You want to whitewash Awo? The same Awo that invited Oba Akenzua for a meeting to warn him that his campaign for a new region was political and the Oba told him that he wasnt doing politics and had to remind Awo that the Ooni of Ife and Alake of Abeokuta were open and active members of the Action group. The same Awo whose AG goons were hunting after Midwest activists whenever they crossd into yoruba land? There is too much info to even bother debating this here. Trying to claim that Awo who was leader of the Action Group was innocent because he was no longer premier is a big joke

3. Majekodunmi's administration withdrew the case against the referendum (that Akintola's agent) filed at the Supreme Court. This is not debatable at all. Like I said before Akintola got his seat back after the matter had been sealed and his legs were too shaky to object as he was desperate to please Balewa. In short his hands were tied not that he wanted it

Fatimaade:


Don’t forget to post where Uni of Enugu was moved from uni of Calabar

There is nothing like University of enugu

It was University of Nigeria and it had 3 campuses ...one in nsukka the Head quarters ...one in enugu and one in calabar for medical science ...the one in calabar formed the present day unical

Uniport was ment to be it engineering faculty

So relax

I considered the referendum for the creation of the Mid-Western Region in1963 and the Jun-12 Presidential election as the most democratic exercises ever done in Post Independent Nigeria because it showed that we, as a people can resolve political Issues according to laid down rules to reflect the will of the majority.

They are NOT perfect exercises and definitely not devoid of conflicts.

Conflicts arise because different people see the same issues in different ways.

The nature of politics involve conflicts and politics in civilized societies involve three dimensions- Prevention of Conflicts, Conflicts Management and Conflicts resolution.

The authors of modern constitions understand this fact and made provision for conflict resolutions through judicial adjudications.

Going to court to LEGALLY challenge a decision that's contrary to one's view is a democratic process and not necessarily an evil thing.

The people of Mid-Western Region Western Region and Nigeria as a whole did a commendable job in the 1963 referendum.

They deserve our commendations and not this irrational bashing based on ignorance,sustained by tribalism that borders on madness.



If matured, well educated and well groomed leadersship in the First Republic weren't truncated by the ill-conceived coup of 1966, there wouldn't have been a civil war and Nigeria of 2020 would have been more developed than this level.

I tried to make these points earlier. Awolowo extended his Party Programs before and after Midwest was created.

It was so popular, they voted for their son Ambrose Ali as Governor. The Opposition was headed by Osadebe to dominate as usual, the other ethnic groups.

oyatz:
The problem with Nairaland is that it's filled largely with people who don't read.

1) In the Second Republic, the UPN won in Bendel State.

Awolowo won in Bendel State and scored about 40% of the votes in Cross River State.

Prof Ambrose Folorunsho Alli of the UPN was Governor of Bendel State between 1979-1983.

2) Awolowo and Shagari jointly received most of the votes casted by the Southerner minorities while Azikiwe's NPP received about 5% of the votes in Bendel, Rivers and Cross River States.

Ex-Governor Adams Oshiomole of the ACN was Governor of Edo State for 8years. The incumbent Governor Obaseki is of the APC.

googi:
I must have missed the comment that after all said and done, Awo's Action Group/UPN captured most of the Midwest with love under Ambrose Ali as Governor.

Osadebe never relented. Igbo had to dominate Midwest and Rivers states as Governors. They even dominated Jonathan Government. They must have the lion's share or nothing.

They got nothing in Lagos.

South-south is just waking up.

.

joeyfire:


Big joke

Yorubas fought tooth and nail to stop them from leaving even tried to hunt down the activists.

http://edo-nation.net/nowao1.htm

"My father was the personal driver of Chief Omo-Osagie through out his political career and what both himself and B2 went through before, during, and after the creation of Mid-West is unimaginable and sometimes better than some of 007 epic films. My father once told me that the journeys to and from the Western House of Assembly in Ibadan was the type of journeys one makes to and from the battle field. Firstly, they never exceeded four people and they travelled by Bedford Lorry instead of a car to which his status demanded. The reason for this was security as his life was threatened openly by those enraged by his demands for Mid-West State. He said on approaching Ore, they would disembark and B2 would come out of the comfortable second row and climb into the back of the Bedford lorry and be covered with trampoline and that is where he would remain through the numerous roadblocks put out to hunt him down and, that is how he would remain until they arrive Ibadan. Sometimes, for the need to confuse his detractors, he would be hidden in lorries carrying plantain to Ibadan and guess where he would be sitting - buried among the plantain and that is how he remains until the outskirts of Ibadan and be transferred into the Bedford lorry again. On numerous occasions they escaped death with the skin of his teeth. My father indicated that when they are travelling, it usually was like preparing for a funeral at B2's house and those of his entourage and the worst is expected and, when they return unharmed, it was jubilation.� (Source: OJ Ebohon. Edo-Nation Egroup, July 5, 2002. RE: [Edo-Nation] The Last Edo Political Titan: Chief Humphrey Omo-Osagie)"

cc lzaa imhoteo

plessis:


cc lzaa imhoteo

So afonjas are scared of living alone

Igbosmoker:
Saying igbos will dominate us if we form midwest makes no sense at all.

Yorubas always said we were useless during the Western region but they were the ones using our resources to develop their land while we were in darkness.

The greatest insult is trying to force Yoruba on us and saying oba of Benin should go learn Yoruba, we'll never forget.

Itskerri people always love following yorubas, if nigeria do divide I hope to see them in yoruba republic.

From various accounts, Mid Westerners went through a lot to be able to separate from the shackles of Yorubas who were powerful at that time.

Do you think any group(s) can achieve referendum in present Nigeria?

comos:
No wonder Edo and Delta always vote for a national party like the NCNC, NPN, PDP instead of a western regional party (AG, UPN, ACN, APC)

Correct!

Ardar:


I don't even know what you are. Today you're Igbo, tomorrow you're from the south south, next tomorrow you're from the waste side.

Shape shifter oshi

I suspect you're not even Nigerian.

He is a known Aboki masquerading as Igbo

oyatz:
Your cock and bull story can not change the FACT that creation of the new Regions (now called States) was and still a CONSTITUTIONAL matter with well defined legal processes.

1) Two- third Majority votes in Western Regional Assembly.

2) Two-third majority votes in the National Assembly.

The two above CONSTITUTIONAL requirements MUST be met before the referendum could hold.




The Minorities in the Mid-Western Areas could NOT on their own alone meet these requirements.


3) Awolowo was NOT a member of the Western Regional Assembly or part of the Government since 1959.
Why is it difficult for you to understand this simple fact?

Your emotional outburst and rush to deny without fact checking even though the links and text are all over this thread shows you have cognitive dissonance based on tribal loyalties.

Was Awo still not the leader of the Action Group even AFTER stepping down as premier? Keep consoling yourself the facts are out there and more are coming

How difficult is it for you to understand this simple fact;

State (formerly called Region) creation is a CONSTITUTIONAL matter.

Awolowo was a private citizen in 1963 and no single citizen or even a political office holder had the power to create or prevent the creation of a State.


1) Two third majority votes in the Western Regional Assembly, Ibadan.

2) Two-third majority votes in the National Assembly.

These were what were required to conduct the referendum in 1963.

nku5:


Your emotional outburst and rush to deny without fact checking even though the links and text are all over this thread shows you have cognitive dissonance based on tribal loyalties.

Was Awo still not the leader of the Action Group even AFTER stepping down as premier? Keep consoling yourself the facts are out there and more are coming

.

Fatimaade:


Are you comparing to what igbos faced where till date ikwerre has refused to return your properties llooool

Like the yorubas who refused to share assets with the Midwesterners and deported them immediately after they voted to leave?

Such bitterness. Why are you guys always jittery and bitter when people try to assert their independence?



"AFTER THE REFERENDUM
 
In Ibadan, less than 48 hours afterwards, the Premier, SL Akintola ordered civil servants of Midwestern origin to leave, with less than 24 hours notice.   As federal referendum officers were returning to their places of work in Lagos on July 22nd, long columns of vehicles carrying over 600 Midwestern families returning from Ibadan, jammed the roads from Owo, and headed for Benin City.  As one witness put it, it was like the �great trek.�
 
For many months, Benin City became a large refugee camp with Western region returnees squatting all over the place in open fields, verandahs etc.   There were very few quarters and the sleepy old provincial capital with dusty untarred roads had long been denied the kind of infrastructure that could support such a sudden population influx.  Drivers of western region official vehicles disposed of their vehicles in ways that depended on their place of origin.  If they were Yoruba, they tried to make it to Ifon just beyond the border.  If they were Midwesterners, they hid their vehicles within Midwestern territory.  As things turned out, to this day, the Western region has never shared its joint assets with the Midwest, a sub-region which accounted for one third of its area and one quarter of its population.  All these years the Midwest (later Bendel State) has had to remain contented with whatever fixed assets were physically on the ground as of August 9, 1963 and could not be moved out.  The Western region and its successor States took what was left"

Bump

oyatz:
The problem with Nairaland is that it's filled largely with people who don't read.

1) In the Second Republic, the UPN won in Bendel State.

Awolowo won in Bendel State and scored about 40% of the votes in Cross River State.

Prof Ambrose Folorunsho Alli of the UPN was Governor of Bendel State between 1979-1983.

2) Awolowo and Shagari jointly received most of the votes casted by the Southerner minorities while Azikiwe's NPP received about 5% of the votes in Bendel, Rivers and Cross River States.

Ex-Governor Adams Oshiomole of the ACN was Governor of Edo State for 8years. The incumbent Governor Obaseki is of the APC.

1. Ogbemudia of NPN later won after Ambrose Alli. ( Bendel people voted for Ambrose Alli not UPN)

2. Shagari defeated Awolowo hands down ( Bendel voted massively for NPN)

3. Oshiomole was very popular then due to his labour activities but it wss Lucky Igbinedion and other PDP stalwarts that brought him to power.

4. Edo are mostly PDP supporters but they will vote for any competent person irrespective of the party just like Obaseki.

O boy this thread has revealed a lot. So up till now, the Yoruba’s have refused to share old western region assets with the mid-west. So all the Odua group assets, Wema bank, cocoa house etc now cornered by the SW and built jointly from natural resources of the Midwest (rubber & timber) is still with the Yoruba’s.

This is pure wickedness!

Check your source again.

1) In the 1979 elections, the UPN won Presidential, Governorship and House of Assembly elections in Bendel State.

2) Despite all the alleged rigging and irregularities in that election ,Shagari got 5.6 Million votes, Awolowo got 4.9 Million votes (won 53% in Bendel) , Azikiwe got 2.4 Million votes (won Anambra, Imo and Plateau States).

comos:


1. Ogbemudia of NPN later won after Ambrose Alli. ( Bendel people voted for Ambrose Alli not UPN)

2. Shagari defeated Awolowo hands down ( Bendel voted massively for NPN)

3. Oshiomole was very popular then due to his labour activities but it wss Lucky Igbinedion and other PDP stalwarts that brought him to power.

4. Edo are mostly PDP supporters but they will vote for any competent person irrespective of the party just like Obaseki.

comos:


1. Ogbemudia of NPN later won after Ambrose Alli. ( Bendel people voted for Ambrose Alli not UPN)

2. Shagari defeated Awolowo hands down ( Bendel voted massively for NPN)

3. Oshiomole was very popular then due to his labour activities but it wss Lucky Igbinedion and other PDP stalwarts that brought him to power.

4. Edo are mostly PDP supporters but they will vote for any competent person irrespective of the party just like Obaseki.

Oshi omo ole did not even win by votes he was made governor by the court.

joeyfire:


Like the yorubas who refused to share assets with the Midwesterners and deported them immediately after they voted to leave?

Such bitterness. Why are you guys always jittery and bitter when people try to assert their independence?



"AFTER THE REFERENDUM
 
In Ibadan, less than 48 hours afterwards, the Premier, SL Akintola ordered civil servants of Midwestern origin to leave, with less than 24 hours notice.   As federal referendum officers were returning to their places of work in Lagos on July 22nd, long columns of vehicles carrying over 600 Midwestern families returning from Ibadan, jammed the roads from Owo, and headed for Benin City.  As one witness put it, it was like the �great trek.�
 
For many months, Benin City became a large refugee camp with Western region returnees squatting all over the place in open fields, verandahs etc.   There were very few quarters and the sleepy old provincial capital with dusty untarred roads had long been denied the kind of infrastructure that could support such a sudden population influx.  Drivers of western region official vehicles disposed of their vehicles in ways that depended on their place of origin.  If they were Yoruba, they tried to make it to Ifon just beyond the border.  If they were Midwesterners, they hid their vehicles within Midwestern territory.  As things turned out, to this day, the Western region has never shared its joint assets with the Midwest, a sub-region which accounted for one third of its area and one quarter of its population.  All these years the Midwest (later Bendel State) has had to remain contented with whatever fixed assets were physically on the ground as of August 9, 1963 and could not be moved out.  The Western region and its successor States took what was left"

That’s what will happen once Biafra want out lol

Indeed an exposition

Amarabae:
wow, what an exposition!

Interesting! Are you Igbo?

horsepower102:


I used to respect the yorubas when I was growing up because I bought into their propaganda about themselves. Now I know better. These people have a culture of lying, betrayals and sowing seed of discord among people. I hope Igbos are fast learning how to deal with them.

Yes. Let's go our separate ways.

stonemasonn:
With the way you guys blame Yorubas for everything in Nigeria, I think we should all go our separate ways, Hausas have been treating the Igbos badly from one riot to the other destroying Igbo properties and businesses but who is to blame...Yorubas, please let's go our separate ways. Haba

7lives:


Tell me more about it, so why did Adaka Boro declare the Nigeria Delta republic if the minority had it Rosy in the East?.
Anyway Abacha already make sure that what happened in the west, also happened to the East.
Happy independence to everybody.

Niger Delta republic from Nigeria not east