Maadoo:

I guess u mean a canoe port... smh. Lagos had a port yet, Oba Dosumu fell for ordinary Mirror. Them use mirror mumu am, to hand over Lagos to them. Lagos was taken without a gunshot or resistance.

Lagos was taken without a whatt

Mods, ban this guy for his show of ignorance.

nku5:


So because Kosoko use red eye claim land and natural harbour at Palma (Ibeju-Lekki/Epe area) from where he was on exile come call am "port" you think it is anywhere near the calibre of a real port chai okay ooo

Did you not read that parliamentary paper?

That was a British colonial officer on the ground in Lagos writing report back to Her Majesty. He is describing what he saw and knew. They accepted and called it a port. A private one at that. They first described their knowledge of Badagry port and then said Palma port is different....it belonged to that one man.

Yoruba built and owned ports before British expanded with modernity.

Masterkernel1:



Pearl Harbor was established on the Hawaiian island of Oahu in 1908, Liberty Statue was built 1875, can you kindly tell us, which complex was built during those days that's still standing in your dream port?

Maybe you didnt read my earlier post, that those landmarks were torn down to expand much of road network in Lagos. The Lagos Wharf was removed to expand Marina ring road. Iddo wharf was removed before Eko bridge was built. Ships cannot pass underneath that bridge. The port in Palma was demolished much after Kosoko returned to Lagos and trade with his foreign partners shifted.

nku5:


All your post shows is that God created the waterside and coastlines

The British built the ports in the 1850s to accommodate their large vessels which they used to ship resources from the hinterland to their country.

Yorubas have not built any port till date

The British were not trading in Lagos in 1850.

MetaPhysical:


Maybe you didnt read my earlier post, that those landmarks were torn down to expand much of road network in Lagos. The Lagos Wharf was removed to expand Marina ring road. Iddo wharf was removed before Eko bridge was built. Ships cannot pass underneath that bridge. The port in Palma was demolished much after Kosoko returned to Lagos and trade with his foreign partners shifted.

It's like saying... Statue of Liberty was pulled down to build a railway or London bridge was demolished to erect Airport.

Please we had roads before FG built many in Igbo land, but the truth is that they ones built by FG were superior, same goes to your dream ports. If they were monumental why will FG demolish them?


If we didn't have pictures of Ogbomoso and Osogbo with brown roofs today, a lot of you would have been telling us the beauty of your land then... Forgetting that London,Paris, Monaco were built even in the 1500 centuries, yet they're beauty to behold, while yours is a museum.

MetaPhysical:


Did you not read that parliamentary paper?

That was a British colonial officer on the ground in Lagos writing report back to Her Majesty. He is describing what he saw and knew. They accepted and called it a port. A private one at that. They first described their knowledge of Badagry port and then said Palma port is different....it belonged to that one man.

Yoruba built and owned ports before British expanded with modernity.

Why are you trying to spin a very simple report. All the colonial officer said that after Kosoko was driven out of Lagos he retired to Epe and claimed Palma (a coastline area around Lekki) as his own "port"/territory and the British recognised his claim to Palma and allowed him to administer it free from British interference. Unless there is another document you have to back up this report, there is no reference at all to a PORT in the conventional sense. Of course fishing boats and very small vessels could berth there and they still do till this day but Yorubas did not have the know-how, capability or technology to build a port. The report says NOTHING about the nature of the port except that Kosoko claimed that area and named it his port. Palma was a waterside and nothing else. I know that part of Lagos like the back of my hand, if there was an ancient port built by Kosoko it would have been known

MetaPhysical:


The British were not trading in Lagos in 1850.

Really? So all the slaves they had been buying in exchange for mirrors and whiskey since the 1700s was not trade Read well -

https://thecommonwealth.org/our-member-countries/nigeria/history

Colonial period
In the 15th century, Benin began to trade with the Portuguese, selling slaves and acquiring spices, firearms, the art of writing and the Christian religion. By the 18th century, the British had displaced the Portuguese as leaders of the slave trade. A century later, in 1807, the missionaries’ campaign against slavery had gained support, leading the British parliament to ban the slave trade. The navy began to patrol the coast, arresting slavers and settling captured slaves (most of them Nigerians) in the resettlement colony of Sierra Leone. Several missionaries in Nigeria were themselves freed Nigerian slaves who had converted to Christianity in Sierra Leone. The missionaries introduced quinine to control malaria, a new trade in palm oil also began, and the economies of southern Nigeria became increasingly powerful. Steamboats took this new culture up-river and into the forests

nku5:


Really? So all the slaves they had been buying in exchange for mirrors and whiskey since the 1700s was not trade Read well -

https://thecommonwealth.org/our-member-countries/nigeria/history

Colonial period
In the 15th century, Benin began to trade with the Portuguese, selling slaves and acquiring spices, firearms, the art of writing and the Christian religion. By the 18th century, the British had displaced the Portuguese as leaders of the slave trade. A century later, in 1807, the missionaries’ campaign against slavery had gained support, leading the British parliament to ban the slave trade. The navy began to patrol the coast, arresting slavers and settling captured slaves (most of them Nigerians) in the resettlement colony of Sierra Leone. Several missionaries in Nigeria were themselves freed Nigerian slaves who had converted to Christianity in Sierra Leone. The missionaries introduced quinine to control malaria, a new trade in palm oil also began, and the economies of southern Nigeria became increasingly powerful. Steamboats took this new culture up-river and into the forests

There were no Nigerians sold to slave traders across the Atlantic.

This article was written by a quack. You dont see any issue with it because you are a quack.

There was nothing known as Nigeria prior to 1914. By which time Atlantic slave trade had ended half a century earlier.

Stop quacking!

nku5:


Why are you trying to spin a very simple report. All the colonial officer said that after Kosoko was driven out of Lagos he retired to Epe and claimed Palma (a coastline area around Lekki) as his own "port"/territory and the British recognised his claim to Palma and allowed him to administer it free from British interference. Unless there is another document you have to back up this report, there is no reference at all to a PORT in the conventional sense. Of course fishing boats and very small vessels could berth there and they still do till this day but Yorubas did not have the know-how, capability or technology to build a port. The report says NOTHING about the nature of the port except that Kosoko claimed that area and named it his port. Palma was a waterside and nothing else. I know that part of Lagos like the back of my hand, if there was an ancient port built by Kosoko it would have been known

You are lying. You dont know where Palma is. You know Lekki but you dont know Palma. Palma has not existed in 100yrs.

If you insist I will ask you to name the Baale of Palma and shame you here.

Returning to the port issue.....your conjectures does not hold, written records and by eye witnesses in the age when Palma existed is sufficient proof.

It is recorded that Palma is a port, it is owned by Kosoko and it was profitable for trade. The port was not owned by Nigeria or British and there is no record of it being developed by Nigeria or British but there is record that its owned by Kosoko....Britain accepted it as his property. So who else owned it? Abi this was another one of Ibo development in Lagos?

MetaPhysical:


Did you not read that parliamentary paper?

That was a British colonial officer on the ground in Lagos writing report back to Her Majesty. He is describing what he saw and knew. They accepted and called it a port. A private one at that. They first described their knowledge of Badagry port and then said Palma port is different....it belonged to that one man.

Yoruba built and owned ports before British expanded with modernity.

His long sighted, he can't read properly what's closer to him.
Igbos are leeches in yoruba land.

Odingo1:
British and federal government of Nigeria developed Lagos port. Yorubas migrated into Lagos like any other tribe in Nigeria. The British captured Lagos from Bini people and Sand filled most part of it and develop it. The indigenous people in Lagos are Aworis and Egun people and they are not yorubas.

Ọmọ àlè. So aworis aren't Yorùbá àbí?

Gazzy88:
Ọmọ àlè. So aworis aren't Yorùbá àbí?

Thats my biafran brother you dey yab so.

Odingo no mind am jare. Pele.

MetaPhysical:


You are lying. You dont know where Palma is. You know Lekki but you dont know Palma. Palma has not existed in 100yrs.

If you insist I will ask you to name the Baale of Palma and shame you here.

Returning to the port issue.....your conjectures does not hold, written records and by eye witnesses in the age when Palma existed is sufficient proof.

It is recorded that Palma is a port, it is owned by Kosoko and it was profitable for trade. The port was not owned by Nigeria or British and there is no record of it being developed by Nigeria or British but there is record that its owned by Kosoko....Britain accepted it as his property. So who else owned it? Abi this was another one of Ibo development in Lagos?

No need for awada kerikeri. Just share the sources you have about this "profitable" Palma port. Was it a port like the one the British built at Apapa? Or was it a natural waterfront where kosoko used to tax fishermen and other moderate vessels?

Where are the facts and written records? Your report says nothing substantial

Odingo1:
British and federal government of Nigeria developed Lagos port. Yorubas migrated into Lagos like any other tribe in Nigeria. The British captured Lagos from Bini people and Sand filled most part of it and develop it. The indigenous people in Lagos are Aworis and Egun people and they are not yorubas.

Come to isheri to tell one Awori woman in front of my house that she's not Yoruba, that they are osu like you.

Igboid:
Lagos colony(SW) was attached like a parasite to Southern Nigeria (SE and SS) in 1906 by Sir Egerton.

Same year, the capital of Southern Nigeria was moved from Calabar to Lagos. And same year z resources from SE and SS was used by British to dredge and expand Lagos port, as against Calabar port.

Lagos parasitism was instantaneous. It didn't waste time to start milking the entire Southern Nigeria.

Awon SS and SE attachee have arrived.

Masterkernel1:



It's like saying... Statue of Liberty was pulled down to build a railway or London bridge was demolished to erect Airport.

Please we had roads before FG built many in Igbo land, but the truth is that they ones built by FG were superior, same goes to your dream ports. If they were monumental why will FG demolish them?


If we didn't have pictures of Ogbomoso and Osogbo with brown roofs today, a lot of you would have been telling us the beauty of your land then... Forgetting that London,Paris, Monaco were built even in the 1500 centuries, yet they're beauty to behold, while yours is a museum.

Lol, just as we have been debunking all your lies about development in igboland with pictures of brown roof from anambra, onitsha, nnewi, ebonyi.

nku5:


No need for awada kerikeri. Just share the sources you have about this "profitable" Palma port. Was it a port like the one the British built at Apapa? Or was it a natural waterfront where kosoko used to tax fishermen and other moderate vessels?

Where are the facts and written records? Your report says nothing substantial

Youve been all over the place with your conjectures. Nothing else you say has credibility on this topic.

You said you are familiar with Palma and know the area.
You also said Nigerians were sold to slavery across Atlantic.

After making such wild and spurious claims your credibility is destroyed on this topic.

You have no clue about Palma but you want to prove yourself an authority by telling us your familiarity is unquestionable.

Many things are questionable about your underatanding of the Parliamentary Papers and the isssue under discussion.



Was there a port in Palma?
Yes there was.

Who said so?
An eye witness British Consular officer reporting to Parliament.

What did he say?
Palma port belonged to the exiled King.

Did he saybit belong to FG of Nigeria?
No.

Did he say it belonged to Britain or anyone else?
No.

Who says it belonged to someone else?
Nku5.

How did nku5 know it belonged to someone else?
Nku5 lived in the area, he is very familiar with Palma.

MetaPhysical:


There were no Nigerians sold to slave traders across the Atlantic.
[b]
This article was written by a quac[/b]k. You dont see any issue with it because you are a quack.

There was nothing known as Nigeria prior to 1914. By which time Atlantic slave trade had ended half a century earlier.

Stop quacking!

That article is from the official Commonwealth website

MetaPhysical:


Youve been all over the place with your conjectures. Nothing else you say has credibility on this topic.

You said you are familiar with Palma and know the area.
You also said Nigerians were sold to slavery across Atlantic.

After making such wild and spurious claims your credibility is destroyed on this topic.

You have no clue about Palma but you want to prove yourself an authority by telling us your familiarity is unquestionable.

Many things are questionable about your underatanding of the Parliamentary Papers and the isssue under discussion.



Was there a port in Palma?
Yes there was.

Who said so?
An eye witness British Consular officer reporting to Parliament.

What did he say?
Palma port belonged to the exiled King.

Did he saybit belong to FG of Nigeria?
No.

Did he say it belonged to Britain or anyone else?
No.

Who says it belonged to someone else?
Nku5.

How did nku5 know it belonged to someone else?
Nku5 lived in the area, he is very familiar with Palma.

So in short you have no info about this port? So you dey lie

nku5:


That article is from the official Commonwealth website

It could be from the journal of medicine if you like.....it existed as a record of Parliamemt....long before there was anything called Commonwealth.

I told you already....you are a quack!

nku5:


So in short you have no info about this port? So you dey lie

Those who were eye witnesses already told you what they saw and knew. Their information and record is solid.

Im not like you, telling us you know Palma that had not existed in 100yrs.
Maybe you were one of the slaves Kosoko traded from Palma.

MetaPhysical:


Those who were eye witnesses already told you what they saw and knew. Their information and record is solid.

Im not like you, telling us you know Palma that had not existed in 100yrs.
Maybe you were one of the slaves Kosoko traded from Palma.

So if i hadn't tackled you this how you would have been claiming that Yorubas built a world class deep sea port before the British came

nku5:


So if i hadn't tackled you this how you would have been claiming that Yorubas built a world class deep sea port before the British came

Keep promoting your defeat as a victory.


World class is relative.

MetaPhysical:
Nigerian Ports Authority is a partnership formed in 1955 between Federal Government of Nigeria and Lagos.

As far back as 1906 Lagos Wharf had been opened to Ocean steamers with regular demand.

The development of Apapa port (not Lagos Wharf) commenced in 1913.

Lagos Wharf is the Marina bus stand on the waterfront where Customs Street runs into the Marina. It used to be called Quay side....(pronounced Key side).

Discovery of coal in Enugu led to the development of Eastern ports.

Port Harcout port was opened in 1913 to shipping and commissione by Lugard.


Read it here....

I thought the forest specie said Lagos port was developed by oil and ugwu money.

People that cannot point to a single lake in their mudslide region arguing about ports in Lagos. If it wasnt for Lagos, Pharcourt, Warri and Calabar would yanminri ever know what a seaport even look like? Tell omoibo to point to the lake in his father backyard first before he come argue about seaport for Lagos.

Gabkosh:
Awon SS and SE attachee have arrived.

Ndi SS must hate SE has arrived

I hear there are waterfalls and lakes in SE. Is this true? I want see picture.

Maadoo:



I even thought you were smart. In trying to dismiss the effort of those developing Lagos, you also didn't or couldn't prove that yorubas developed Lagos.

Who were the ruling elites before independence at the federal level and in Lagos? The colonial masters. Hence they employed the manpower from all tribes to which igbos were heavily represented. Resources were contribute by all region to the federal purse, and of-course, Lagos was the capital of Nigeria and as a British colony, enjoyed unlimited developmental attention.

Even at that, In 1954, there was no lekki, there was no Gbagada, there was no Ajao estate, there was no Ajah, there was no Amuwo odofin, there was no Ago palace way, there was no gowon estate, there was no Buckner in Okota. There are so many places that were never in existence in 1913 but exist now. Was it the white man that developed it? The Lagos the white man left at independence is not the same as what it is today except you mean, Lagos hasn’t change since the Whitman left. The real developers of Lagos aside government projects, are the individual real estate developer, converting slums, farmland and settlements to prime real estate quaters, either for commercial or residential use. The industrialist, company Onwers, market man and women keeping the economy running and of course oil money from niger delta oiling there pocket of the government, which it uses to support for roads, water, electricity Development and other amenities.

Nigeria had her independence in 1960 and oil boom started in 1970. Cocoa money only developed Ibadan. Third mainland bridge was oil money, cocoa money started OAU in ibadan before moving to its permanent site in Ile ife with A single building serving as the vice chancellors building but now converted to faculty of agriculture. That was the only building constructed with cocoa money. The rest was oil money. 3rd mainland bridge is oil money.

The East was controlled by the Eastern tribes with Enugu as it’s capital, West by majorly the yorubas with Ibadan as it’s capital. The same way igbos migrated to Lagos is the same way majority yorubas migrated to Lagos.

If you want to talk of Yoruba development. Talk of Ibadan and stop trying to steal or downplay other people’s effort.

Ibadan is your shame, deal with it .

you have started again if your state ranked among the high poverty states in Nigeria now you will be crying .see how your stupidity is justifying your migration to Lagos as no mans land .Instead of you to concentrate on how you can develop your region.Are you cursed ?? it a shame for you to show past and present development of your host state but unable to show us how your how your undeveloped local villages / state was transform to an urban .the sickness in you these people's brain is more than corona virus's .

MetaPhysical:


Keep promoting your defeat as a victory.


World class is relative.

Palma was a harbourless waterside. Boats come from Ghana and other neighbouring coasts to places in Lekki like Alpha Beach and Lakowe to sell fish does it mean that those beaches are ports likè the one oyibo built at apapa

Yorubas built no ports

Maadoo:

I guess u mean a canoe port... smh. Lagos had a port yet, Oba Dosumu fell for ordinary Mirror. Them use mirror mumu am, to hand over Lagos to them. Lagos was taken without a gunshot or resistance.

Metaphysical's chest beating is just too shameful
Nana Olomu an Itsekiri warlord controlled the Koko Port which we can still see today but the OP picked three words from a report he can't even read to claim to open a half baked thread and spin lies everywhere about an insignificant beach that a deposed king was using to hustle "owo da" from Fishermen

nku5:


Palma was a harbourless waterside. Boats come from Ghana and other neighbouring coasts to places in Lekki like Alpha Beach and Lakowe to sell fish does it mean that those beaches are ports likè the one oyibo built at apapa

Yorubas built no ports

There are many ports in the world that do not have harbour. You are a quack for not knowing this.

A port does not need to be visited by Queen Elizabeth or one of her boats to be classified as a port. If boats from Ghana visited it and all who saw it and knew what a port is called it a "port".....then it is a port!

If you had to be coached on this simple understanding, you are a quack.

Look on the document you uploaded it says it had good business and even one of the foreign businessmen set up trade there.

It was harbourless but good for trade that even the Colonial government were concerned it would compete and attract business and revenue away from Lagos. They conceeded to Kosoko to return to Lagos so they can stop him from operating that business promising port.

We have seen everywhere that it is called port and Kosoko owned it. This is not my word but records from eye witnesses.

You even bring a record that supports that it is a port, it is good for business and Kosoko owned it.

You are struggling with yourself to change blue water to yellow water. All records you will find on Palma will say it is a port and owned by Kosoko.

If the British Parliamentary Papers can attest to that fact, using a eye witness account, what contradiction can an Ibo that doesnt even know what a port look like raise to defeat it? Zero!

If you like go to American Smithsonian Library and enquire about Palma port in Lagos. They will shame you just as every document so far has done, including one supplied by you.