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Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by ekubear1: 3:31am On Jan 16, 2011 |
Anyway, my admiration and respect for Awo has increased. I didn't think that this was possible, but somehow I love him more. A true patriot. And what is up with Zik and his dislike for written agreements? Seems very shady, somehow. . . |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by PhysicsMHD(m): 3:47am On Jan 16, 2011 |
I too think Zik should have seen the "dream team" angle that everybody feels is so obvious with hindsight, but I am just saying regardless of whatever capital he had, he might have been taking other completely real factors into account. He did have enough capital that regardless of however much he lost for aligning with Awo, with Awo behind him, he would have won for sure, but, like I said there are other factors to take into account. Perhaps, like others are saying in this thread, he did overestimate his own political capital, but I think it more likely that he either took factors 1-4 that I outlined above into account or suspected Awo's letter was just a rehash of his attempt to ask both Zik and Bello for an alliance prior to the first republic. Ultimately , I feel it should have happened. The future of Nigeria (our present) would have been immensely different. However there is a completely different angle to this that some people may not have thought about. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-445815.0.html ^^^ Zik might actually have been trying to use the North, and repeat the first republic alliance, except with roles switched. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by mansmith(m): 7:08am On Jan 16, 2011 |
there's no bases for the comparism of the two leaders ,when will people understand that as our faces are different so also our ideas and ideologies? |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Obiagu1(m): 8:06am On Jan 16, 2011 |
^^^ I can compare Zik with anything including a goat. He was the reason we are in this situation, in this useless country. I wonder if his brain was filled with yogurt; too much grammar, zero wisdom and vision. 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by dayokanu(m): 8:22am On Jan 16, 2011 |
^^ Bros na wa o. If you were not Igbo, I am sure you would have felt the heat |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Katsumoto: 10:01am On Jan 16, 2011 |
PhysicsMHD: Hmmmmm 1. Zik got his tip from Ifeajuna (leader of the 66 coup) months before the coup. Zik left Nigeria in late 1965. Balewa got his tip from Bello who got the tip from Akintola who had driven to see Bello two days before the coup. There is a big difference in the sources of the coup. Did Akintola/Bello/Balewa get their tips from Ifeajuna? If they didn't then it is an attempt at revision to simply suggest that they both got tips. It is a fact that Ifeajuna went to see Okpara right after killing Balewa before escaping to Ghana. Seriously, what was the leader of a coup which had eliminated the PM, the premier's of the North and West as well as other senior political and military leaders discussing with the premier of the East before escaping? 2. Did Awo really send Akintola and Rosiji to Bello or Akintola/Rosiji had their game plan? I find that episode really strange for two reasons. a) Did Awo really need to make deals with Zik and Bello on the same day? Why did Awo not simply go to Bello on a different day and negotiate himself? Wouldn't Awo have known Bello (considering his god-like status in the North) would have felt slighted that he (Awo) did not come to make the deal himself? b) Isn't it curious that while Awo was supposedly negotiating with Zik, a call came from Bello to Zik informing him that Awo's people (Akintola and Rosiji) were there with Bello. Why did Bello need to call Zik to inform him about Awo's offer if he didn't know Awo was there? Why did Akintola not refuse to go on the phone to confirm to Zik that he was indeed in Kaduna to negotiate a political alliance with NPC knowing fully well that Awo was with Zik? |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by nduchucks: 2:14pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
@Katsumoto, many forumites take pleasure in revisionism as long as it serves their dishonest purposes. PhysicsHMD does not come across as dishonest, I suspect that he is simply ignorant of the events you sighted. He made this statement: Ultimately , I feel it should have happened. The future of Nigeria (our present) would have been immensely different. Thats good enough for me because that is the point I was making from the beginning. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Katsumoto: 2:25pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
ndu_chucks: I agree I also wanted to ascertain whether he was privy to something that I wasn't aware of. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by T9ksy(m): 6:15pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
@ Ndu_chuks……….Thanks for the posted materials though I must say that none of the information contained therein is new to me, it nevertheless resuscitated my knowledgebase. I must add though that zik was not myopic in the least rather he was following in the footpath of his contemporaries in that he was first and foremost concerned with the elavation of his people within the context of the new nation. This was why he gave up his ambition to be PM with Awo as his finance minister to take up a ceremonial post under TB's govt. By so doing, the igbos arrogated to themselves most of the federal posts due to the south. An example of this is in 1964, the position was such that of the four higher institutions of learning in Yorubaland - University of Ibadan, University of Lagos, University of Ife and Yaba College of Technology, the Igbo headed three. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Dede1(m): 6:46pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
Katsumoto: Your postulations in question #1 are tools of joke for an avid crowed of conjecturers and propagandists. As for question #2, I have the below submissions to add. Pointing to the political expeditions of the two figures after the incident, I would unequivocally say Akintola/Rosiji had their game plan. There are few things which remain impossible under the sun. The mind is very tricky and politics is game of chance where every minute not day is valuable time to strike a deal that will leave political opponents in a position of awkward predicament. This very assumption had swayed me toward Awolowo's side and compelled me to believe that Akintola and Rosiji had serious plans to truncate the political ambitions of Awo. It must be recall that Awolowo and DS Adegbenro were in Onitsha to meet with Zik. There should be no iota of curiousness surrounding who was responsible for placing the phone call. It has been alleged that Akintola placed the aforementioned phone call to Zik not Bello. When Awo was handed the receiver by Zik, it has been alleged that Awo was surprised and queried Akintola about his mission in Kaduna. This instance, among other transgressions, led to the expulsion of Akintola from AG for anti-party activity. However, it will be a negligence of hindsight and display of political naiveté to levy accusation of selfishness on Zik without taken into considerations of political treachery of 1951 in Ibadan and the Awolowo’s brazen fiscal policy towards Ndigbo in 1970. Having read many political scriptures of the era and regurgitated actions and reactions that followed, I concluded that it was a matter of political treachery and indulgence of “once beaten shy twice”. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by T9ksy(m): 7:02pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
Posted by: Dede1 Today at 06:46:49 PM However, it will be a negligence of hindsight and display of political naiveté to levy accusation of selfishness on Zik without taken into considerations of political treachery of 1951 in Ibadan and the Awolowo’s brazen fiscal policy towards Ndigbo in 1970 you guys and your obsession with yorubaland sef. why does zik an igbo man wants to be premier of yorubaland? was this not the same zik who a few years earlier was trying to seperate Lagos from the then western region, claiming that Lagos is no man's land.Why should the yorubas entrust the future of their young generations into the grasp of an igbo man? 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Katsumoto: 7:04pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
T9ksy: But wouldn't his people have been elevated if he was equally PM? Some argue that he accepted that arrangement because he wanted Nigeria to be a nation at all cost so as to rule over a larger nation. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Katsumoto: 7:08pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
T9ksy: Some people will never understand this. Your father's friend can never love and mean well for you like your father. Zik had no business being Premier in the West. In any case, that was why he was rejected. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Katsumoto: 7:15pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
Dede1: Your comments do not surprise; it is to be expected from you. Dede1: Thanks; that is the account I have. Part of this was confirmed by Uwechue. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by T9ksy(m): 7:18pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
Quote from: Katsumoto on Today at 07:04:48 PM But wouldn't his people have been elevated if he was equally PM? Some argue that he accepted that arrangement because he wanted Nigeria to be a nation at all cost so as to rule over a larger nation. No doubt, they would but noway would you have a situation like the example i gave earlier. By aligning with the NPC, the igbos were unjustifiably elevated above their status in the south. This was the rationale that instigate the ilk of Akintola and Ayo rosoji to make overtures to the sardunna- there was no gain in being in the opposition. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by T9ksy(m): 7:29pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
Some people will never understand this. Your father's friend can never love and mean well for you like your father. Zik had no business being Premier in the West. In any case, that was why he was rejected Thanks for the bolded part. Unfortunately, my people do love to kid themselves. They instead, claim that that was the beginning of tribal politics in the country. Meanwhile, no-one believed in one nigeria at the time except zik and his NCNC party. Like i always ask my igbo brothers but till date none is being able to come up with an answer; would you entrust the future of your household to your friend when you are capable and able to do it yourself? |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Dede1(m): 7:37pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
T9ksy: You really disappointed me with this thoughtless, mean-spirited and off-the-wall comment. Let me help your devil’s advocacy by saying that Ndigbo would have also been unjustifiably elevated above their status in the south if Zik had become PM by aligning with AG. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Dede1(m): 7:50pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
Katsumoto: Are you insinuating that since Zik was not a Yoruba therefore he, Zik, has no business becoming a Premier in the west? I could not believe my ears that a person who would readily accuse some of tribal bias would consciously write this statement. I thought any candidate voted into the regional House of Assembly from one of the constituencies has every business to become a Premier of the region if his/her colleagues voted as such. By the way, he was not rejected as you have ridiculously stated. It did not come to vote. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Katsumoto: 8:08pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
Dede1: I am not insinuating it; I am stating it unequivocally. Zik was born in the North, why wasn't he aspiring to be the premier there? Was he aspiring to be premier in the west because the Yoruba people are liberal. My point is buttressed by the reverence Yoruba people had for Awo and the indifference Ndigbo had for Zik. An Igbo man had no business being premier in the West in the same way, a yoruba man had no business being premier in the East. A new nation was being formed and each region was still suspicious of the motives of the other regions. If the Yoruba people wanted Zik to be their leader, he would have being. But they didn't want him, hence the rejection. You can sugar-coat that rejection however way you want it. 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by asha80(m): 9:15pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
Ermm ndu chuks now that shekarau (ANPP) has joined the race does that mean more problems for ribadu vis a vis splitting of votes inj the north? |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by T9ksy(m): 9:30pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
Quote from: Dede1 on Today at 07:37:13 PM You really disappointed me with this thoughtless, mean-spirited and off-the-wall comment. Let me help your devil’s advocacy by saying that Ndigbo would have also been unjustifiably elevated above their status in the south if Zik had become PM by aligning with AG. No doubt that the ndigbos would have been elevated had Zik aligned with AG but definately not at the expense of the yorubas who had enough capable and educated leaders at their disposal. At that particular moment in our history, each region was working assiduously to promote the lot of their people within the colonial contraption. No one wants to be ruled by an outsider. What good does Zik have in mind for the yorubas that they can't do (and as it transpired they can and did) for themselves? Remember, the yorubas did not believe in One nigeria and neither did the north. Only the igbos were for One nigeria. Zik did not even campaign in the north. can you imagine Zik aspiring to be premier of the north? who born am? even before that the north was already massacring the ndigbos in their region based solely on their perceived fear of ndigbo's neocolonialism. The sardunna refferred to the igbos in the north then, as invaders! |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by nduchucks: 9:36pm On Jan 16, 2011 |
asha 80: Indeed. Shekaru will take a very substantial number of Kano votes out of play to the benefit of GEJ and the PDP. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Obiagu1(m): 12:02am On Jan 17, 2011 |
dayokanu: Feel the heat from who? An Igboman? Which Igboman is not feeling the heat already in Nigeria, a situation Zik put us into? If not for the fact that we don't disrespect the dead, I would have called him up from the grave and give him enough slap. 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by aljharem(m): 5:30am On Jan 17, 2011 |
Obiagu1: one day the blind shall see with igbo people some are opening there eys already like you, abagworo, chieneyeN, Inked nerd and me others will open there eyes soon |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by fstranger1: 6:09am On Jan 17, 2011 |
alj harem: Alhaji why didnt you include me, Alhaji Chukwuemeka, in your list of Igbos that know the truth! |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by ekubear1: 6:30am On Jan 17, 2011 |
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Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Dede1(m): 7:44am On Jan 17, 2011 |
Katsumoto: I must say your equivocation is an opinion borne out of ignorance. Seriously, I can not fathom what spurred you to form the opinion that Zik had no business becoming the premier of the defunct western region of Nigeria. You posited Zik was not born in the west but north. However, he found a place of abode in the west, established and contested election in one of the western regional constituencies. When Zik employed indigenes of the western region, tribal irredentist such as you did tell him he has no business employing a Yoruba in his business outfit in Lagos. There was no single ordinance that stipulated a person has to be born in a particular region in order to become the premier of the region. I guess the criteria include among other things a candidate’s political party has to win majority of the seats. Again you must agree that during the era in this discussion, the defunct western region was not exclusive domain of the Yoruba. It is unfortunate that such rational deduction does not flash in stream of thoughts of tribal bigots. |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by Nobody: 8:08am On Jan 17, 2011 |
Dede1: T9ksy:Why are yoruba not struggling to rule ibo or hausa unlike ibo ? There was no even any record that any northerner intended ruling over the western region,why ibo ? 1 Like |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by fstranger1: 8:14am On Jan 17, 2011 |
^^^ It baffles me I guess once we start treating them the way the North does, that should quench all these childish fantasies they all seem to have about ruling the west |
Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by EkoIle1: 8:19am On Jan 17, 2011 |
This picture articulately displayed and define ibo people and ZIK in especially, Because of their greediness and shortsightedness, ibo people are nothing but relegated inconsequential objects of bargain and purchase, they have zero power politically and economically to be real players in Nigeria since day. They are born second and third fiddle players. The article below was written by an ibo man and published by Nigeria World. The article displayed what we all know about ibo people, their shortsighted leaders and what sealed their fate and made them irrelevant in the scheme of things in Nigeria. And let's not forget Shagari's famous Zik Jab about the untrustworthy bride. The same bride displayed before our eyes in the cartoon picture published in 2010.
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Re: Nnamdi Azikwe (zik) As Short-sighted As Buhari by EkoIle1: 8:25am On Jan 17, 2011 |
Specifically on Igbo leadership, the Igbo culture is very clear about what makes one fit or unfit for leadership. A thief or a traitor (sabo) cannot be a leader. Being a thief or traitor is the lowest of the lowest (an abomination or nso ala) among the Igbo. In fact, it automatically makes on an outcast. Whether one likes it or not, the defining moment for the Igbo in Nigeria was the Nigeria-Biafra war (1967-70). It was the litmus test. Zik crossed over to the Nigerian side because of personal difficulties with the Biafra leadership. Biafra or the Igbo was fighting a war of survival and freedom after being massacred in Nigeria and attacked militarily. Zik was in favor of Biafra as long as he called the shots and the going was good. Biafra is a matter of principle not personal feelings about Ojukwu or his leadership style. This pattern of unprincipled behavior and egotism were characteristic of Zik whether it was in Nigeria or Biafra. When things were not favorable to him personally he would decamp. He did not make and keep promises. Space does not allow me to go into full details and explanations but only to say that a leader acts based on principles and collective interests not personal interests or egotism. Making and keeping promises is the cornerstone of leadership or a person. |
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