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Re: The Story Of God's Great Lonliness by LordReed(m): 9:44am On Jun 10, 2020
jamesid29:

Yeah,it's true we do not know what preceded the big bang because it will always remain unknowable to us, but as long as we have in inflationary big bang model as our theory of how the universe got started then the implication is that, this universe, this particular one we are part of has a beginning and is not eternal. Even with the inflationary big bang model ,it's still anybody's best guess what exactly happened at some of the earliest moments of the universe around the10^-36 seconds(that's like 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds) and 10^-32 seconds, i.e like what started the inflation? Is it still ongoing today, constantly spitting out pocket universes with ours being on of those universes? what stopped it at the 10^-32 secs when normal expansion took over? Or if the universe started out as pure space? But what we do know is the universe didn't exist in a steady state and the more people study black holes, the clearer the picture will be.

None of which provides evidence for your god or any god for that matter.


As I said earlier, the Bible stood alone as the only holy book that has a universe with a beginning, a universe with fixed laws and a creator outside of space-time itself. And the Bible does also say, aside of the book of nature, God is always ready to reach out to anyone who is willing to get to know Him.

The bible says nothing about your god being outside of space-time nor does it say anything about the universe having fixed laws. If anything the bible implies that the universe can be manipulated by your god at any time and that your god lives in the universe.


Also, context is kinda really important not just with the Bible but with many other things in life. A simple statement like "He's gone" can be interpreted in many different ways if no context is provided. I know I've personally had to call people up because they took a message I wrote out of context and got mad because they misinterpreted it.
And if you are curious about the flood story, I believe "the bible project" (the youtube channel of the video I posted last) has a pretty good short overview of that story.

You seem to think I have not read the Bible before or something. There is no context that excuses the those atrocities.
Re: The Story Of God's Great Lonliness by jamesid29(m): 2:05am On Jun 11, 2020
LordReed:


None of which provides evidence for your god or any god for that matter.
Well it does proof that there is something outside of our universe that kick-started it. Of course this could mean anything on its own but when you couple it with the extremely precise initial conditions that was set at the moment of the big bang for everything to work out the way it did, one has to atleast consider that the creator must be a personal being. For example, the cosmological constant alone has a precision of 1 part in 10^120(that's like trillion times greater than any precision humans have been able to achieve)...if this value wasn't exactly this precise, the universe would have expanded too slowly or too quickly. Not to talk of the gravitational constant, the mass to energy ratio and many other initial conditions that had to be precisely set and are all independent of eachother, for the possiblity of the kind of universe and life anywhere on this planet. One has to at the very least consider the possibility of being a deist.

The bible says nothing about your god being outside of space-time nor does it say anything about the universe having fixed laws. If anything the bible implies that the universe can be manipulated by your god at any time and that your god lives in the universe.
The universe was created and has a beginning in finite time: Genesis 1:1, Isaiah 45:18,John 1:1-3,Col 1:15-17 etc
The material universe was not made from that which is material, visible or detectable: Heb 11:3
The universe functions according to fixed laws: Jer 33:25, Psalm 104:19.

Yeah, the Bible does show that God does bypass the laws of nature because He is sovereign over them but contrary to popular belief, the instances are not as often as people think.

your god lives in the universe
Well not the way you think and definitely not live
The Bible constantly talks about God being transcendent(totally other) and can't be compared to anything within creation. The Bible says in 2chronicles 2:6 "But who is able to build a house for Him, for the heavens and the highest heavens cannot contain Him? So who am I, that I should build a house for Him, except to burn incense before Him?"
Even when David decided to build a temple because his heart was in the right place even though God didn't require it, the isrealite temple was unique from every other temple in the ancient world because it was the only one that didn't have any image of its God in it.
The book of acts says "The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything."Acts 17:24‭-‬25
At the same time,the Bible also talks about God being immanent. He does reach out to his creation and we see instances of this in the scriptures, which we understand today as theophany.
So the God of the Bible is both transcendent and immanent.


You seem to think I have not read the Bible before or something. There is no context that excuses the those atrocities
Yea, I believe you must have read the Bible before but probably read it the way most of us were taught for so long to read it, which obfuscates the meaning quite a bit.
You see, the Bible is written for us ,as it was intended to communicate to everyone everywhere but at the same time the Bible was written in a particular language, culture and against the backdrop of a particular worldview.
Understanding the worldview and original culture helps us get closer to the meaning of the text. The message of the Bible transcends the culture but the form itself is culture bound.

Secondly, the whole Bible is one unified story with hyperlinks going back and forth and understanding how each book or chapter is structured and fits into the whole story helps us better understand not just that particular text but the entire story of the Bible. Problem is we have always been taught to read the Bible as a disjointed collection of verses and chapters. We pick John 12:41 today then tomorrow it's Isaiah 6:1-10 but we were never taught how to see the connection between the two and how it fits into the biblical story so we endup missing what the author was truly trying to say.

Thirdly, the Bible is not a book, it's a library. Meaning it contains different genres of literature and even one book can contain multiple genres in it. Recognizing the type of genre one is reading does help in interpretation as it would be wrong in reading a poem like a Narrative or a Narrative like prophetic.

All in all, even if you don't agree with the Bible, I believe it better to let the Bible speak on its own terms and not agree with it than to disagree with the Bible because one misunderstands what it is truly saying.

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