egoldi01:


And APC have not cleared the mess and have not done better!

point blank, they made the mess messier even to the extent that Nigeria is almost unredeemable

Laboni:
How is the toll affecting SE and SS? The idea is just for good road network. I think Abuja-Kaduna was excluded for now because of insecurity. They will still add more in the 2nd phase, who knows. They should also add Enugu-Awka-Onitsha too. The road was nothing to write home about the last time I passed there.

On what basis is the roads to be rolled being determined? (That's the point he is trying to make)

Are they tolling based on number of users or length of the road? The distance from Onitsha to Aba isn't up to half of the road inside Niger state alone (I stand to be corrected), so which one deserves to have more toll?

I used that as an example, so you'll understand the point being made. Thanks

Hope there will not be too many tolls and the fees will not kill people cos transportation fares will surely increase.

I am only concern about the concession process

COMPAQ:

Let's learn to really understand the subject matter before making posts based on assumed headlines.

Looking at your points, only point 1 makes sense. Why should government ensure that discos get their cash for energy supplied, isn't it the duty of the discos to know how to get their money back? Is that not where prepaid meters come in? Anyone that doesn't pay is disconnected

You sold your car to someone who is using it for public transport, yet you have him assurance that if passengers don't pay, you'll pay him for that. That's your point 2... Does it make sense?

Point 3, you are just assuming CBN is paying the debt of government agencies. If it's so, why are we not hearing of state governments also paying discos, or don't they owe? Abi na CBN dey pay their own also?

Think about it

egoldi01:


And APC have not cleared the mess and have not done better!

They are bird of the same feather

Cantonese:



The military in the 80s introduced tolling booths on two highways namely Lagos - Ibadan and Onitsha - Enugu. There was a framework established connecting revenues to road repairs. Infact that was the purpose of establishing the tolling booths. The problem was that the money realised was instantly embezzled. As observed by you too staff of the federal ministry of works who were originally assigned there made the tolling plazas their private businesses with forged receipts, non issuance of receipts but receiving payments, etc. The roads were concessioned thereafter but the story of corruption by the investors remained the same until government pulled out. It became an issue of litigation.

We have a major problem in this country and it is corruption. Privatization helps the economy and the people but in our country it is not the same. Daily times newspaper is an example. We were lucky with telecoms. The reason why power is a problem in this country is simply that ECN, NEPA, PHCN, as it was called at different times, was a veritable source of looting for government officials. When it was broken up into Gencos and Discos, what changed? Nothing. Those who ran NEPA aground took over in the name of privatization, turned around to obtain billions from the FG and still maintain status quo. Government officials see privatization as means of enriching themselves while agreements are going on and making money when all things are set in place.

With all the taxation where are the jobs? This country needs a Messiah.

Oga, there are many privatization success stories. It seems sometimes we focus only on the bad and refuse to see the good. Let me give you a few examples of former government enterprises and their privatized versions and see if the government version made as much impact as the privatized one:

Nitel vs MTN/Glo/Airtel/9 Mobile
Nicon Insurance (when it was govt) vs AXA Mansard, GT Assurance, Old Mutual
ACB bank vs GTB/Zenith/Access/ Stanbic
NTA vs Channels/TCV
NNPC vs Shell/Exxon/Chervron
Nigeria Airways vs Aero/Air Peace/Arik
Radio Nigeria vs Cool FM/Classic FM
Old Nicon Noga vs Transcorp Hilton
Fertilizer company of Nigeria vs Notore
Eleme petrochemical vs Indorama
Unilag vs Covenant University

The private companies here have added far more value to nigeria in terms of employment, improves services, introduction of technology, payment of taxes etc

Yampotatocarrot:


On what basis is the roads to be rolled being determined? (That's the point he is trying to make)

Are they tolling based on number of users or length of the road? The distance from Onitsha to Aba isn't up to half of the road inside Niger state alone (I stand to be corrected), so which one deserves to have more toll?

I used that as an example, so you'll understand the point being made. Thanks

I think the determination is based on many factors like 1) distance, 2) How busy the road is, 3) State of the road, 3) Economic importance, etc.. The most important thing is to put the road in good condition. If the road will be good when manager by private investors, then I don’t see anything wrong with that. We have been trying Government since 1960 and we’re still here so, let’s try the private sector and see how it goes.

COMPAQ:


That is totally not true. It's amazing how so much gist goes on in this country based on whatsapp posts and beer parlour gist. And people just believe it as fact.

It's important you put the information out there in the proper context. When the privatization was done, to ensure liquidity in the system there were a number of guarantees put in place to ensure that discos/genco's get cash for energy supplied. If at all CBN paid money to DISCOS, it was probably one of 3 things:

1. Remember FG still holds shares in the DISCO's. If I recall FG didn't divest 100%. So therefore, if the DISCO is increasing capital base for eg, FG is obligated to pay it's share.
2. During the privatization, there were a number of guarantees put in place for GENCO's and DISCO's to ensure that they got their cash for energy supplied. CBN could very well have been effecting those guarantees and paying bulk for electricity supplied.
3. Govt agencies and parastatals as you should know are the biggest electricity debtors in this country. it could very well be that CBN was paying outstanding debt to DISCO's on behalf of govt.

None of these 3 amount to FG still contributing to run DISCO's as you have put it. Often times the newspapers and social media doesn't get headlines right. What most people will see is the headline - "CBN pays N50bln to EKEDC". However, most people don't read the details of the story to understand the context. Besides what you typically still hear Fasola talking about when he was Minister of Power was installation of substations and injection stations, which are all still part of TRANSMISSION.

Let's learn to really understand the subject matter before making posts based on assumed headlines.

I have worked for a disco, so shove your ignorance in your butthole

NwaNimo1:
Toll plazas = toll gates = more taxes!

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That is what fashola knows best,he doesn't believe the people should benefit anything from government
He doesn't know there are some goods that are public goods which the government must provide,his idea is that taxes paid by the people is just for the maintenance of government officials
This guy is overrated,he should Not be in government,he lacks empathy and some fools will be disturbing us about how a man without heart like him,will be good as Nigeria President

InvertedHammer:

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They told you that it was excluded because of insecurity? Which road is secure? You already know there will be 2nd phase even when they didn't mention it? Am I surprised? No. Hitler, Abacha, Idi Amin had people who cheered their bad policies. I am surprised that all of a sudden some of you are starting to believe APC government that have never fulfilled a single promise since they started. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. FGN is never honest.
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You just have to be optimistic and besides, the best way for the country to have a road network in very good condition is to get the private sectors involved. We’ve trying the government since 1960 and we’re still where we are today so, nothing wrong in trying the private sector to see how it goes. So many federal roads are in deplorable conditions all over the country and I’m certain motorists won’t mind paying a token as long as the roads are in good condition.

hakeem4:
what type of capitalist nation do you want to build ?

A type that works. We need to stop deceiving ourselves with this our fake, unworkable socialist/welfarist system.

obailala:
Good idea! If I were the president of this country, everything would be privatised; from roads to railways, trains, airports, universities and even some govt hospitals.

Privatisation is the way forward..

hush15:


Project that he will allocate to himself and some cronies at bourdillon like they did with all toll gates in Lagos. Which one benefitted lagosians or you don't realise that if he gives concession at certain distances, you will pay toll after few distances till you get to your destination! That's a rip off, in case you don't know especially when we already paid all forms of road tax ranging from vehicle license to the one embedded in when we buy fuel. Interstate transport becomes more expensive and I promise you, forget all those trash he said, there will be no improvement on the road, just be extorting the already struggling citizens, not to mention the impact on goods and services. This extortion just to make a few richer cos they will start collecting toll before any road transformation .

Whether they allocate it to themselves, it would still be better off in private hands than under govt control. How well has your governments managed anything since 1960?

osomegbe:

You forgot to mention the government. It also needs privatisation.

If possible, YES! Starting with the National Assembly! Govt sgouldnt be funding those people.

Badonasty:


As they are regulating the mobile networks through ncc or electricity abi...investors are out to make money and very fast and don’t forget that it’s the people in government that are the investors

In countries where things work, that's how it is done. YES of course, investors are out to make money, and that's why they will make things work so their income wouldn't stop flowing. The only reason we have a functional telecommunications system in Nigeria from mobile calls to internet is because that sector is under private hands.

And yeah, just like mobile telecoms, if we want things to work in Nigeria, we should be ready to pay for things. There's no alternative.

SmartPolician:


Admittedly, you raised some valid points.

The NNPC is the highest shareholder in NLNG with 49% of its shares. Also, Shell owns 25.6%, Total LNG Nigeria Ltd owns 15% and Eni owns 10.4% of its total shares.

Yeah that's right! And the reason the company works efficiently is because Shell (I think) operates it. I wouldnt want to imagine what would become of NLNG if the largest shareholder (NNPC) were to be the operators.

obailala:
In countries where things work, that's how it is done. YES of course, investors are out to make money, and that's why they will make things work so their income wouldn't stop flowing. The only reason we have a functional telecommunications system in Nigeria from mobile calls to internet is because that sector is under private hands.

And yeah, just like mobile telecoms, if we want things to work in Nigeria, we should be ready to pay for things. There's no alternative.

So can you honestly tell me that you’re enjoying the service of your network provider 90%..,are you enjoying the service of phcn 70%...in a normal society people will pay for something that they actually enjoy and can see the benefits...advanced societies pay these taxes and fines willingly cos they can see what their money is used for...why will people pay tolls when the road isn’t something to write home about

obailala:
Good idea! If I were the president of this country, everything would be privatised; from roads to railways, trains, airports, universities and even some govt hospitals.

Because our private universities are doing well than government owned now check am na bros

Badonasty:


So can you honestly tell me that you’re enjoying the service of your network provider 90%..,are you enjoying the service of phcn 70%...in a normal society people will pay for something that they actually enjoy and can see the benefits...advanced societies pay these taxes and fines willingly cos they can see what their money is used for...why will people pay tolls when the road isn’t something to write home about

Guess what? as bad as PHCN services are today, it would have been worse if it were under govt control - just something you should think about. And yeah, PHCN privatisation might have been badly executed, but the privatisation still remains the BEST option.

adams123:



Because our private universities are doing well than government owned now check am na bros

Yep! I'll privatise those big carcasses we call public universities and they will do better than they're currently doing.

obailala:
Whether they allocate it to themselves, it would still be better off in private hands than under govt control. How well has your governments managed anything since 1960?

there shouldn't be any toll whatsoever. The reason why people pay tax is for government to provide good roads, not to give it to private people to profiteer from it and still give nothing. If government can't do it, its better we maintain statusquo till when God put
His divine hands else...

Our problems are the Saboteurs in govenment.They are so corupt that they will draft and sign a "Slavery agreement" that leaves only the investors smiling to the bank.
Meanwhile,this should be another source of revenue to the Govt. A kind of partnership deal.

Monitoring and Controlling is another demon we have never gotten right.

Imagine paying a toll of #300 from Lagos to Benin and you are rest assured of getting to your destination safely and in good time.
70% of our manpower time are always spent on the roads.

This is a very welcoming initiative if and only if the aforementioned areas are well guided.


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NEPA isn't just one company.. They are many companies running different functions and processes. From Power generation, to transmission, to distribution, to billing. And I've not even added side ones like provision of prepaid meters. Various companies are in charge of different parts of Nigeria. Yet all across Nigeria it is still shame shit, different paper.[/quote]

Do we have Onitsha To Aba Federal Highway, thought is Onitsha To Owerri. then Ph-Aba-Enugu hIghway?

Yampotatocarrot:


On what basis is the roads to be rolled being determined? (That's the point he is trying to make)

Are they tolling based on number of users or length of the road? The distance from Onitsha to Aba isn't up to half of the road inside Niger state alone (I stand to be corrected), so which one deserves to have more toll?

I used that as an example, so you'll understand the point being made. Thanks

quentin06:


I have worked for a disco, so shove your ignorance in your butthole

E pain am !

hush15:
there shouldn't be any toll whatsoever. The reason why people pay tax is for government to provide good roads, not to give it to private people to profiteer from it and still give nothing. If government can't do it, its better we maintain statusquo till when God put
His divine hands else...

Not every road will be concessioned, the taxes can take care of other roads not mentioned ehich make up the majority.

By the way, how many people pay taxes in Nigeria and how much taxes do they even pay? In countries where people pay taxes from their noses, they still toll some roads.

Your problem seems to be that private people will 'profit' from roads, not minding that the roads would be made motorable. With the roads being the dilapidated torture channels and death traps which they currently are in the hands of govt, does it actually make you feel better just knowing that no private person profits?

After sharing the lot there's no much left to do the work hence the sell out!

obailala:

Not every road will be concessioned, the taxes can take care of other roads not mentioned ehich make up the majority.

By the way, how many people pay taxes in Nigeria and how much taxes do they even pay? In countries where people pay taxes from their noses, they still toll some roads.

Your problem seems to be that private people will 'profit' from roads, not minding that the roads would be made motorable. With the roads being the dilapidated torture channels and death traps which they currently are in the hands of govt, does it actually make you feel better just knowing that no private person profits?

Well if not so many pay tax, why waste or siphons the little that is being paid to cronies....

Which road will they renovate, the part where the toll is I guess...

Nigerians and ignorance, I have seen so many comments and nobody seems to discuss the most important issue of the article which is road maintenance. The article stated their terms of engagement as: provision of street lights, provision of weighing bridges and provision of resting points on the road.

Invariably what this means is that they have no obligation to repair the roads when they get bad. Maybe the roads will still be repaired the old way, using FERMA.

Are we so daft in this country or am I missing something?

hush15:


Well if not so many pay tax, why waste or siphons the little that is being paid to cronies....

Which road will they renovate, the part where the toll is I guess...

When a road is concessioned, it becomes the duty of the 'owners' to rehabilitate the road and maintain it. The concessionnaire will face a fine if they allow any section of the road degrade without fixing it on time.

Laboni:
I think the determination is based on many factors like 1) distance, 2) How busy the road is, 3) State of the road, 3) Economic importance, etc.. The most important thing is to put the road in good condition. If the road will be good when manager by private investors, then I don’t see anything wrong with that. We have been trying Government since 1960 and we’re still here so, let’s try the private sector and see how it goes.

Yeah, you are correct when you said let's try the private sector. We just pray and hope it doesn't become another bad case like that of the discos. Also, the government should make the deal so flexible in such a way that it'll be easy to break up the arrangement if the any of the private entities isn't up to the task

tobolos:
Our problems are the Saboteurs in govenment.They are so corupt that they will draft and sign a "Slavery agreement" that leaves only the investors smiling to the bank.
Meanwhile,this should be another source of revenue to the Govt. A kind of partnership deal.

God bless you for this first paragraph. Look at the deal with the discos