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Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by oluwaahmed: 6:42pm On Jul 05
Dear people, pls those vast in the scriptures should help explain the below;

And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering
32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands.
35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the Lord, and I cannot go back.

36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.

37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.

38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

Pls does this mean that jephtah offered his only child as a burnt offering??
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by adontcare(f): 6:44pm On Jul 05
Yes he did

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by oluwaahmed: 6:51pm On Jul 05
adontcare:
Yes he did

Med ooo shocked how did u arrive by this? Cos some other religious circles say he didn't that she was just a virgin all the rest of her life
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by LordReed(m): 7:42pm On Jul 05
oluwaahmed:


Med ooo shocked how did u arrive by this? Cos some other religious circles say he didn't that she was just a virgin all the rest of her life

Reread the last 2 verses you quoted. Hannah dedicated her child Samuel to Yahweh, how come she never mourned like these people mourned every year?

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by MuttleyLaff: 7:52pm On Jul 05
oluwaahmed:
Dear people, pls those vast in the scriptures should help explain the below;

And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering
32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands.
35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the Lord, and I cannot go back.
36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.
37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

Pls does this mean that jephtah offered his only child as a burnt offering??

adontcare:
Yes he did
No, Jephthah did not offer his daughter up for human burning sacrifice

MuttleyLaff:
What Jephthah did in Judges 11:31 was to conflate two vows, making this appear to an untrained or unsuspecting eye to be one vow.

Judges 11:31 as a matter of fact and truth, is a coded verse, wrapping up or encompassing two vows


Judges 11:31
Then it shall be, that whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon,
shall surely be the LORD'S,
and I will offer it up for a burnt offering
.

Vow #1:
"whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S"

Vow #2:
"and I will offer it up for a burnt offering."

Judges 11:31, in relation to the vows, is explained like this:

Referring to Vow #1:
Whatsoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me shall surely be the LORD'S (i.e. will be given over to God devoted to service)

Referring to Vow #2:
Better still, if it happens to be an IT (i.e. an animal AND NOT a human being) then I will offer IT, the animal up for a burnt offering
This will be and serve as a bonus.

Judges 11:34-37
34When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter came out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy.
She was his one and only child; he had no other sons or daughters.
35When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish.
“Oh, my daughter!” he cried out. “You have completely destroyed me! You’ve brought disaster on me!
For I have made a vow to the Lord, and I cannot take it back.”
36And she said, “Father, if you have made a vow to the Lord,
you must do to me what you have vowed, for the Lord has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites.
37But first let me do this one thing: Let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin


We can see from the above Judges 11:34-37 verses that when Jephthah's daughter came out to meet him, father and daughter instantly knew the fate of the daughter is now a lifetime of celibacy (i.e. she now never will marry & she'll be sexually abstinent) and dedication to God (i.e. as per vow #1)

People like johnydon\22 will go back to posts, and edit them after falling flat on face, when caught slipping not only misunderstanding "gender-specific pronouns" but also found wanting trying to correctly use "third person singular pronouns"

He tried to pass "it" (i.e. a "gender-neutral pronoun'') for a human being instead of correctly using "him" or "her" (i.e. "gender-specific pronouns'')

What he doesnt know is that gender-neutral pronouns like "it", is used usually for babies or kids,
and in some circumstances, where for instance the sex is unknown or indefinite
Example: When the new baby arrives, "IT" is going to sleep in mummy's room.

Moving forward it needs to be recognised and understood that the "it" in Judges 11:31 is referring to an animal and not a human being or Jephthah's daughter because instead of a gender-specific pronoun insertion, it is a gender-neutral pronoun, that is in the verse

Judges 11:37-40
37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
39 And it came to pass at the end of two months,
that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man.
And it was a custom in Israel,
40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.


Lastly, there, up above is the concrete and scriptural evidence in Judges 11:39-40, that though there was a bit of delay in paying vow #1, it eventually got paid when Jephthah's daughter after two months, gave herself up to her fate of a lifetime "seminary work" in God's presence or temple

Vow #2 however was a Dead on Arrival (i.e. DOA), as God is not interested and doesn't accept human burnt offerings anyways. No animal, acceptable as a burnt offering to God, came out to meet Jephthah so nothing to offer as burning offering here
Vow #2 is not binding, as no animal, so no contest with vow #2
Jephthah NEVER DID NOT use his daughter as a burnt offering anyway, this is because human burnt offering is an anathema to God and Jephthah knew this and so never did he nurse any plan nor had any intention of offering God a human burnt offering.

Besides, the burnt offering(s) the Israelites practised, always had to do with animals anyways, and never had anything to do with human being sacrifices

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by Kobojunkie: 8:09pm On Jul 05
oluwaahmed:


Med ooo shocked how did u arrive by this? Cos some other religious circles say he didn't that she was just a virgin all the rest of her life
he did do it. The last verse tells you that the young women of israel cry/mourn her annually for 4 days.

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by MuttleyLaff: 8:24pm On Jul 05
oluwaahmed:
Med ooo shocked how did u arrive by this? Cos some other religious circles say he didn't that she was just a virgin all the rest of her life
You're absolutely spot on right and correct that she remained a virgin, all the rest of her life and dedicated to serving God (i.e. Judges 11:31a)

Kobojunkie:
he did do it. The last verse tells you that the young women of israel cry/mourn her annually for 4 days.
Judges 11:37-40
37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
39 And it came to pass at the end of two months,
that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man.
And it was a custom in Israel,
40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.


Above is the concrete and scriptural evidence in Judges 11:39-40, that though there was a bit of delay in paying vow #1, it eventually got paid when Jephthah's daughter after two months, gave herself up to her fate of a lifetime "seminary work" in God's presence or temple (i.e. Judges 11:31a)

Vow #2, just was not permissible. It is inadmissible to offer a human being as burnt offering sacrifice to God. God just wouldn't allow such to happen. Case in point, Abraham & Isaac (i.e. Genesis 22:12)
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 9:58pm On Jul 05
oluwaahmed:
Dear people, pls those vast in the scriptures should help explain the below;

And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering
32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands.
35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the Lord, and I cannot go back.

36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.

37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.

38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

Pls does this mean that jephtah offered his only child as a burnt offering??

No, Jephthah did not offer his daughter as a burnt sacrifice. When the Ammonites threatened Israel with war, Jephthah made a vow to Jehovah that if Jehovah should help him defeat the Ammonites, then on getting home, anybody he meets first would become Jehovah's servant in the temple/sanctuary till the end of the person's days. (Judges 11:30-31)

The same kind of vow was made by Hannah, she vowed that when she bore a son, that child would serve him all the days of his life - and indeed Samuel did become an ordained Prophet of Jehovah till his death (1Samuel 1:11, 25:1)

As regards Judges 11:31, he did not offer her as a burnt sacrifice. Because that would just go directly against what Jehovah God gave as laws to the Israelites.
Deuteronomy 18:10,11:
“There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire , anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.” See also Jeremiah 7:31.

So it's possible that when Jephthah brought his daughter to the sanctuary, which was in Shiloh at that time, he undoubtedly accompanied his presentation of her with an animal burnt offering. According to the Law, a burnt offering was slaughtered, skinned, and cut up; the intestines and shanks were washed; and its body, head and all, was burned on the altar. (Leviticus 1:3-9)

At Judges 11:40, it then became an annual tradition for the friends of Jephthah's daughter to go and speak with/give commendation to her because she[Jephthah's daughter] was already in Jehovah's sanctuary serving Him.

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by Kobojunkie: 10:07pm On Jul 05
DappaD:


No, Jephthah did not offer his daughter as a burnt sacrifice. When the Ammonites threatened Israel with war, Jephthah made a vow to Jehovah that if Jehovah should help him defeat the Ammonites, then on getting home, anybody he meets first would become Jehovah's servant in the temple/sanctuary till the end of the person's days. (Judges 11:30-31)

The same kind of vow was made by Hannah, she vowed that when she bore a son, that child would serve him all the days of his life - and indeed Samuel did become an ordained Prophet of Jehovah till his death (1Samuel 1:11, 25:1)

As regards Judges 11:31, he did not offer her as a burnt sacrifice. Because that would just go directly against what Jehovah God gave as laws to the Israelites.

Hannah did not make the same vow that Jephthah made. For Hannah offered her child in service of God while Jephtbah offered the first thing as a burnt offering.
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 10:41pm On Jul 05
Kobojunkie:


Hannah did not make the same vow that Jephthah made. For Hannah offered her child in service of God while Jephtbah offered the first thing as a burnt offering .
I don't think you read my entire comment! Please, do open up your mind and read it.
Thanks!

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by Kobojunkie: 10:55pm On Jul 05
DappaD:

I don't think you read my entire comment! Please, do open up your mind and read it.
Thanks!
I have read your post.

According to the details in the chapter on the story, Japhthah was saddened by the fact that his daughter showed up. That means it was clear to him what he had to do, considering the vow he made and he voiced this. His daughter even supported his carrying out his duties as far as the vow he made.

It would have been counted as deceit if he had turned around and offered an animal in place of his daughter to God.
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 11:04pm On Jul 05
Kobojunkie:


Hannah did not make the same vow that Jephthah made. For Hannah offered her child in service of God while Jephtbah offered the first thing as a burnt offering.
Jehovah God is not a cruel Being! He'd never ask for such! Neither will he accept such!
It would be a slap to his very face! Know this and know truth!
Read your KJV Bible, it says at Judges 11:40 --
“That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the
daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite”
Under the word used to translate “lament” , there's a margin in the KJV Bible that rendered it “talk with”. The New World Translation renders the Hebrew word “tanah” to mean “giving commendation”. The daughters of Israel obviously went yearly to talk with and give commendation to Jephthah's daughter. Surely she was alive and in service of God in the sanctuary. Because surely the daughters of Israel didn't “talk with” a dead person because they knew that a dead person can't hear, speak, harm and do good towards the living because all memory of them is lost. (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6&10) and it would be a dangerous act to try and “talk with” a dead person since it's one of the things that are detestable to Jehovah God. (Deuteronomy 18:11b)

Jehovah God would never command such a sacrifice be given to him. It's an insult to him. It was usually the nations surrounding Israel that sacrificed their children in fire.
Meanwhile Jehovah specifically gave the Law at Deuteronomy 18:10-11:

“There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire , anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah , and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.”

Also, we see at Jeremiah 7:31, Jehovah's standards remains unchanged:
“For the people of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ declares Jehovah. ‘They have set up their disgusting idols in the house that bears my name, in order to defile it. They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 11:05pm On Jul 05
Kobojunkie:
I have read your post.

According to the details in the chapter on the story, Japhthah was saddened by the fact that his daughter showed up. That means it was clear to him what he had to do, considering the vow he made and he voiced this. His daughter even supported his carrying out his duties as far as the vow he made.

It would have been counted as deceit if he had turned around and offered an animal in place of his daughter to God.
There are certain things in the Bible you cannot just hurry to conclude without considering the context and other scriptures. You sound like a novice.
Oga he did not offer his daughter up as a sacrifice! Periodt! Do not paint God a wicked person. You'll be deceiving people who'll read your posts here.

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by Kobojunkie: 11:06pm On Jul 05
DappaD:

Oga he did not offer his daughter up as a sacrifice! Periodt! Do not paint God a wicked person. You'll be deceiving peope who'll read your posts here.
But this is not about God but about Japhthah undecided
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 11:09pm On Jul 05
Kobojunkie:
But this is not about God but about Japhthah, a leader in Ammon undecided
A leader of Ammon keh grin
Jephthah served as a Judge in Israel before the times of the Kings.
See as you keep exposing yourself as a novice. sad

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by Kobojunkie: 11:10pm On Jul 05
DappaD:

A leader of Ammon keh grin
Jephthah served as a Judge in Israel before the times of the Kings.
See as you keep exposing yourself as a novice. sad
wrong reference. I removed it.

A novice to reading or a novice to this story? I confess, i have only today re-read this story after many many years. So i didn't have it saved up in my head.

That does not mean that when I read what is written, or posted, I don't have the necessary English comprehension skills for underatanding what is written.

P.S. Judges were leaders only i referenced the wrong town, i think.
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 11:10pm On Jul 05
@Kobojunkie, since you know virtually nothing about the Bible, it would be absurd to actually believe how you interpret the scriptures! grin Just saying though! grin

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by Kobojunkie: 11:14pm On Jul 05
DappaD:
@Kobojunkie, since you know virtually nothing about the Bible, it would be absurd to actually believe how you interpret the scriptures! grin Just saying though! grin
Interprete? The book in both my hand and yours is written in English language, and so all that is needed here are your basic English comprehension skills, and a good pair of eyes, my friend. Nothing more! undecided
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 11:16pm On Jul 05
Kobojunkie:
wrong reference. I removed it.

A novice to reading or a novice to this story? I confess, i have only today re-read this story after many many years. So i didn't have it saved up in my head.

That does not mean that when I read what is written, or posted, I don't have the necessary English comprehension skills for underatanding what is written.
Okay, I understand.
But from all indication, Jephthah remained faithful to Jehovah throughout his life course. So he did not offer his daughter as a burnt sacrifice to Jehovah! Like the Bible(God's Word) has rightly said He doesn't command one to do that, neither will he accept such. (Deuteronomy 18:10-11, Jeremiah 7:31)

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 11:20pm On Jul 05
@Kobojunkie, let me test your Bible knowledge!
At Exodus 13:11-16, did Jehovah God say that all the firstborns of the Israelites should be sacrificed??

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by Kobojunkie: 11:22pm On Jul 05
DappaD:

Okay, I understand.
But from all indication, Jephthah remained faithful to Jehovah throughout his life course. So he did not offer his daughter as a burnt sacrifice to Jehovah! Like the Bible(God's Word) has rightly said He doesn't command one to do that, neither will he accept such. (Deuteronomy 18:10-11, Jeremiah 7:31)
The story is clear that he did indeed offer his daughter up to God as an offering, as he had vowed. The rules on old covenant rules on vows are strict so I understand why he would indeed sacrifice her in obedience.
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 11:23pm On Jul 05
Kobojunkie:

The story is clear that he did indeed offer his daughter up to God as an offering , as he had vowed. The rules on old covenant rules on vows are strict so I understand why he would indeed sacrifice her in obedience.
Please answer my question above.

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by Kobojunkie: 11:26pm On Jul 05
DappaD:
@Kobojunkie, let me test your Bible knowledge!
At Exodus 13:11-16, did Jehovah God say that all the firstborns of the Israelites should be sacrificed??


Like I said, it is written in English and ought to be comprehended accordingly. undecided

Of course He was not asking for a burnt sacrifice of all first borns. He only just saved them during the Passover back in Egypt. undecided

No, He set them apart for a later plan which we see begin to unfold during the census taken later in the book of Numbers. undecided

the Bible we have today comes in an easy to read translation which can be easily comprehended by those with the language comprehension skills.

There is no such thing as special interpretation for what is written. That lie was used by dishonest eejits to decieve folks who wanted to remain blind to that which is in front of them.
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 12:10am On Jul 06
Kobojunkie:


Like I said, it is written in English and ought to be comprehended accordingly. undecided

Of course He was not asking for a burnt sacrifice of all first borns. He only just saved them during the Passover back in Egypt. undecided

No, He set them apart for a later plan which we see begin to unfold during the census taken later in the book of Numbers. undecided

the Bible we have today comes in an easy to read translation which can be easily comprehended by those with the language comprehension skills.

There is no such thing as special interpretation for what is written. That lie was used by dishonest eejits to decieve folks who wanted to remain blind to that which is in front of them.
@the bolded words, you have rightly said so! So what makes you think the same God would want to accept a supposed burnt human offering to him? Jephthah as well, knowing that it was a detestable thing to Jehovah would never do such. Because as we read at Judges 11:40, there was an epilogue after the vow had been fulfilled. The daughters of Israel regularly made visits each year and talked with her and gave her commendation. Yes, they did that to a living person because she was serving in Jehovah's sanctuary.

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 12:15am On Jul 06
Kobojunkie:


Like I said, it is written in English and ought to be comprehended accordingly. undecided

Of course He was not asking for a burnt sacrifice of all first borns. He only just saved them during the Passover back in Egypt. undecided

No, He set them apart for a later plan which we see begin to unfold during the census taken later in the book of Numbers. undecided

the Bible we have today comes in an easy to read translation which can be easily comprehended by those with the language comprehension skills.

There is no such thing as special interpretation for what is written. That lie was used by dishonest eejits to decieve folks who wanted to remain blind to that which is in front of them.
I'll have to disagree with you on the words I struck out! There's no such thing as personal interpretation. The truth the Bible contains can only be ABSOLUTE. Private opinions/interpretations do not matter because then it would make the Book seem a bit generic.
2Peter 1:20-21:
“For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit”
So since prophecies in the Bible didn't come by private interpretations and were ALL divine, then the meaning of such prophecies would likely not spring up from private interpretations as well! smiley

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by Kobojunkie: 12:29am On Jul 06
DappaD:

@the bolded words, you have rightly said so! So what makes you think the same God would want to accept a supposed burnt human offering to him? Jephthah as well, knowing that it was a detestable thing to Jehovah would never do such.
Nowhere in the story do you read anything thay remotely resembles a "God said", and not single place are you informed that God aired an opinion of any sort. This is a story written to inform us of what Japhthah did and that is all. undecided

DappaD:

Because as we read at Judges 11:40, there was an epilogue after the vow had been fulfilled. The daughters of Israel regularly made visits each year and talked with her and gave her commendation. Yes, they did that to a living person because she was serving in Jehovah's sanctuary.
Judges 11 vs 40 says no such thing though. The verse says instead that they mourn her.

It is dishonest to try to make the story say what it doesn't thinking we do so for God's sake. God hates that! That is what Job's friends were guilty of...lying on behalf of God. It is a sin.
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 12:34am On Jul 06
Kobojunkie:

Nowhere in the story do you read anything thay remotely resembles a "God said", and not single place are you informed that God aired an opinion of any sort. This is a story written to inform us of what Japhthah did and that is all. undecided


Judges 11 vs 40 says no such thing though. The verse says instead that they mourn her.

It is dishonest to try to make the story say what it doesn't thinking we do so for God's sake. God hates that! That is what Job's friends were guilty of...lying on behalf of God. It is a sin.

Which is why I said you should read everything I posted up and see where I made reference to the KJV Bible.
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by Kobojunkie: 12:36am On Jul 06
DappaD:

Which is why I said you should read everything I posted up and see where I made reference to the KJV Bible.
I did read what you posted and I suggest you get yourself a bible written in plainer English that is easier to comprehend. undecided
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 12:44am On Jul 06
I don't think you read Judges 11:29, it reads:
“Jehovah's spirit came upon Jephʹthah, and he passed through Gilʹe·ad and Ma·nasʹseh to go to Mizʹpeh of Gilʹe·ad, and from Mizʹpeh of Gilʹe·ad he continued on to the Amʹmon·ites”

So Jehovah's spirit was already on Jephthah before he made that statement at Judges 11:30-31,

Then Jephʹthah made a vow to Jehovah and said: “If you give the Amʹmon·ites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the Amʹmon·ites will become Jehovah’s, and I will offer that one up as a burnt offering.”

So why would the spirit of Jehovah that came upon Jephthah go against Jehovah's righteous standards and make him say he would offer his daughter as a burnt sacrifice? Ultimately it meant that he had to redeem her and not sacrifice her. (Numbers 3:44-47)

Like the Bible said, Jephthah was approved by God and he remained faithful to Jehovah throughout his life and there is evidence for such. Please read Hebrews 11:32 & Hebrews 12:1, Jephthah is listed among the faithful “cloud of witnesses” .
Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 12:48am On Jul 06
Kobojunkie:
I did read what you posted and I suggest you get yourself a bible written in plainer English that is easier to comprehend. undecided
I use the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures only, which translates the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek Scriptures into modern English of the 21st Century. I made reference to the KJV translation to highlight a point only. Because the Hebrew word “tanah” that is translated “lament” or “mourn” in several Bibles actually mean “talk with” or “give commendation” . As the daughters of Israel went yearly to “talk with” the daughter of Jephthah.

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by DappaD: 12:52am On Jul 06
@Kobojunkie, you've shown that you don't like reason and so far you've locked your mind and still claim someone ordained by God would do such a detestable thing. Even when there's enough evidence that he didn't do such.
Well, since that's what you've decided, continue believing in that. Of course, people like you with little or no background of the Bible would want to claim you know.
My posts are directed to the OP of this thread anyway and not you. smiley

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Re: Jephtah And His Sacrifice. Did He Really Do It by Kobojunkie: 12:58am On Jul 06
DappaD:

I use the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures only. I made reference to the KJV translation to highlight a point only. Because the Hebrew word “tanah” that is translated “lament” or “mourn” in several Bibles actually mean “talk with” or “give commendation” . As the daughters of Israel went yearly to “talk with” the daughter of Jephthah.

Reverting to a bible version with a faulty translation of the word "Tana" will only mangle the truth even more.

Ask yourself this question. If Japhthah, a judge in the land of Israel had chosen to renege on a vow he made to God, of his own volition, what would have been the consequence.? undecided

Did God relieve Japhthah of his vow to Him? If so, where is it documented and how did God do it? undecided

If not, why did the people of Israel allow their daughters to go out each year to supposedly commune with the daughter of one who broke a vow to the Almighty? undecided

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