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Re: Indigine Vs Settler by KnowAll(m): 5:08pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
I guess the dominant culture in Nigeria is also Anglo/English culture because a large population of Nigerians bear English names Maybe 95% of igbo's bear colonialist first names, Yorubas always have a Yoruba first name, middle name and surname. We are not part of that colo mentality that is common in the East. However, in England or the USA, Yoruba's have adopted to their new environment by bearing English Christian name as their first name, names such as John Salako or John Fashanu are names common amongst Yoruba settlers in the towns and cities of the UK. This is a clear evidence of migrational attitudes, behavior and mannerism that only goes to put credence to my theory of ethnic migrants to the USA and UK adopting anglicize names in other to amalgamate with the host community which is understandable. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by JoyIsa: 5:11pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
What's really sad is that Nigerians can't spell Indigene. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by Afam4eva(m): 5:12pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
KnowAll: Ignorance is a disease. The earlier you find a cure the better for your life. Pls stop the lie. Igbos bear christian names because majority of them are Christians so do Yoruba Christians. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by KnowAll(m): 5:13pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
Speaking with both sides of your mouth. First you say Americans are adopting Anglo/English names. Secondly you say people tend to keep their native names. [b]tend to keep their name is a desire that they(the immigrants have not manage to pull off) they(immigrants) still fall for that old age cliche of having an Anglicize first name and their native surname which signifies their heritage.[/b] |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by Afam4eva(m): 5:13pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
JoyIsa:I just noticed yesterday that i couldn't spell it. But that's off topic. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by ChinenyeN(m): 5:59pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
Some are here trying to argue how they think it should be, when the reality of the situation is that this indigene vs settler thing is a very real phenomenon, and one that will not be dissipating anytime soon, no matter the 'constitution' in Nigeria. We all know this. So, just be realistic about all this, and stop trying to sound "progressive". It's irritating. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by Abagworo(m): 6:12pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
ChinenyeN: Hwea I di ika gbo o budi ngiri?Ika maka ala Ngwa ka obu ala Nigeria. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by ChinenyeN(m): 6:28pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
Abagworo:Aka m sita hnwe o bula o gbasara, ma ala Ngwa nu ma ala Naija; hnwe o bula. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by aljharem(m): 6:57pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
ChinenyeN: gbamm thank you brother you are the best |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by ekubear1: 7:27pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
ChinenyeN: +1 |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by ezeagu(m): 8:19pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
The Igbo are actually the most strict when it comes to the difference between indigene and settler. There are women centuries ago who returned to their fathers compound after a problem in their marriage and their children are still considered 'ndi mbiambia' hundreds of years later. Most of the people talking about Nigeria is for Nigerians would be the first pushing out a large migration into their villages. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by Abagworo(m): 8:39pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
ezeagu: Maybe you meant to refer to your own village gan.Those Igala,Nri,Bini,Aro and Awka migrants in your village,can you actually tell their differences from the earlier settlers? All these things started with colonialism. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by asha80(m): 9:24pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
ChninyeN do you feel more ngwa or american? if you intersted in politics were will you face ngwa or america? do you evr believe you will ever settle in ngwa later in life? as for knowall you just have a reputation of chatting rubbish.i guess that name knowall you chose for yourself is just to give yourself the assurance that you know anything. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by ezeagu(m): 11:17pm On Feb 05, 2011 |
Abagworo: I don't really understand what you're saying, but if you are saying that Igbo villages, which are just extended families, cannot trace certain lineages to check whether a family are diala or not, then I will tell you you are wrong and that villagers can tell the difference. If they can tell the difference in cast they can tell the difference in lineage. Women who come back to their fathers house with children will have her descendants branded as migrants. The idea of 'Diala' did not start with colonialism. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by ChinenyeN(m): 12:16am On Feb 06, 2011 |
do you feel more ngwa or american? -- Ngwa. I don't even consider myself American. I just live here. That's all. if you intersted in politics were will you face ngwa or america? -- Ngwa do you evr believe you will ever settle in ngwa later in life? -- Yes. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by aljharem(m): 12:17am On Feb 06, 2011 |
ChinenyeN:gbammm you are the best |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by aljharem(m): 12:19am On Feb 06, 2011 |
i am a settler in lagos just like most nigerians if OPC start killing in lagos today, i will be back in borno the next 24 hours |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by aljharem(m): 12:20am On Feb 06, 2011 |
i have leaved in anambra for years if igbos start there madness, i will go beck to borno, i will not say i am now an indigene because i am half igbo |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by Abagworo(m): 4:59am On Feb 06, 2011 |
ezeagu: Origin of Igbo Etiti One of the engaging topics in the book is the gallant attempt made by contributors to trace the origin of the various communities in Igbo-Etiti: Ikolo, Onyohor and Ukehe trace their origin from communities in present Udi area. Onyohor and Ikolo are said to be descended from Ugwunye and therefore blood relations of Affa, Egede and Nike, while Ukehe is one of the seven children of Ojebe Ogene (Ebe, Abor, Ukana, Awhum, Okpatu, Umulumgbe and Ukehe). Udueme claims Igalla paternity while Aku and Ekwegbe claim to be a mixed race of Igbo and Igalla. A majority of Aku are said to be of Nshi (Nri in Awka) origin while some Ohemje people are said to be of Igalla. In the case of Ekwegbe, part came from Akpugo, Ikem, Agulu (Awka) and Igalla. It is instructive that the black-smiting village in Ekwegbe answers Agulu (Eguru) while all black smiths are called Umu Eguru (Agulu). Diogbe and Umunko claim to come from Eha-Amufu and Ikem (Isi-Uzo) respectively. Ohodo claims to be blood relations of Obimo and Ogbodu Abba while parts of Ozala claim to come from Nkitiba Udueme. Ochima claims to be the father of all Igbo people so that Ochima is the central locus of dispersal of all Igbos. It is claimed that Ekwegbe formed part of the Igalla descendants of Aku from where they moved to their present position through Umunna. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by ezeagu(m): 3:17pm On Feb 06, 2011 |
Abagworo: How does this relate to my post? |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by T9ksy(m): 8:53am On Feb 07, 2011 |
Every sentence in your post has FIGHT in it. Must there always be fight and why will Igbos from Enugu want to attack Lagos. Even if they do it will be people of Enugu attacking people of Lagos not Igbos attacking Lagos. Now do the math. That will answer your question. Yes o, i have to include the word "fight" in my sentence 'cause ever since we came in contact with you guys, all you 've been doing is attempting to fight us for the control of Lagos. Even in the mid-forties zik of africa(sic) was trying to wrestle the control of Lagos from the yorubas, claiming that Lagos belongs to all nigerians.To think this was the same id.iot who wanted to become premier over the same yoruba people a few years later.You guys are just too da.mn clever for your own good. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by T9ksy(m): 10:59am On Feb 07, 2011 |
Quote from:Tsiya on: February 05, 2011, 01:02 PM Why won't 3rd generation igbos fight along Lagosians if they are considered Lagosians and given equal right and opportunity to contribute to both the development and defence of the city.Who asked them? Abegi, make dem go contribute to the development and defence of their region 1st.I don’t see them asking for equal rights and opportunity in Kano, Kaduna or Kafanchan.Abi , dem no get 3rd generation igbos in these areas? Or have they all being wiped out by the indigenes. Quote from:Tsiya on: February 05, 2011, 01:02 PM When people are living among you and you still consider them migrants after 2nd, 3rd, generation, they will begin to think that and will not owe allegiance to the state.Once again, i repeat,Who ask them? Yes o, they are still migrants despite the fact that they are 3rd, 4th or even 10th generation. If they don’t like it they don’t have to stay. When you are in rome, you behave like the romans else the romans will send you packing from rome. Quote from:Tsiya on: February 05, 2011, 01:02 PM Genuine nationalism is understanding what is good for the state, contributing to the state and protecting the interest of the state.Did I just read you right? Genuine nationalism in Nigeria? Where was this authentic nationalism when a drawn cartoon of a religious leader from the Arab world by a white man necessitate the killings of Nigerians by fellow so-called Nigerians? here's a quote from the northern house of assembly in 1964: "ALHAJI USMAN LIMAN (Sarkin Musawa): "What brought the Ibos into this Region? They were here since the Colonial Days. Had it not been for the Colonial Rule there would hardly have been any Ibo in this Region. Now that there is no Colonial Rule the Ibos should go back to their Region. There should be no hesitation about this matter. Mr. Chairman, North is for Northerners, East for Easterners, West for Westerners and The Federation is for all. Quote from:Tsiya on: February 05, 2011, 01:02 PM It is a known fact that no society.culture can survive in isolationThat is a matter of opinion o, my brother. If a society decides to stay in isolation, of what concern is that to you? Quote from:Tsiya on: February 05, 2011, 01:02 PM There must be interraction with other people. But you have to give these people rights and sense of belongingYeah, like the northerners has been interacting with the igbos since 1945. I beg carry go, jo.who the hell are you to determine for others that they MUST interact with their neighbours. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by KnowAll(m): 4:03pm On Feb 07, 2011 |
The constitution is more generous to the term citizen of a state than what most of us including myself are spewing on this thread. I think if u resides in a state for about 5 years whether u can speak the language or not, it is within your right to claim citizen of that state. Obviously there are some salient points the constitution is silence on or should I say not specific about, and there are some conventions in our minds that we as citizens have accepted as a norm and won’t let go no matter worth. We actually go on air to re-enforce these fables which are not only incorrect but misleading, we go on internet forums and other media outlet to scare people from knowing what the true position of things are with regards to their rights and what states they can claim as theirs. Can someone please post a copy of what the true position of the 1999 constitution is on this matter? Rather than us engaging each other in an un-necessary mudslinging it is better we deal facts and figures. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by Tsiya(m): 9:00pm On Feb 07, 2011 |
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Re: Indigine Vs Settler by Tsiya(m): 9:15pm On Feb 07, 2011 |
15. (1) The motto of the Federal Republic of Nigeria shall be Unity and Faith, Peace and Progress. 17. (1) The State social order is founded on ideals of Freedom, Equality and Justice. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by ChinenyeN(m): 9:20pm On Feb 07, 2011 |
You think those quotes settle the matter, Tsiya? |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by Tsiya(m): 9:34pm On Feb 07, 2011 |
ChinenyeN: no. Somebody was looking for constitutional support and I humbly provided. There are 150 million Nigerians, they are the one to settle this matter. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by Tsiya(m): 9:56pm On Feb 07, 2011 |
T9ksy: 1st, Im not here to win arguements. 2nd, refutation of someone arguement should be logical. You do not pick a sentence that you think is faulty and respond to it. If you want to respond to arguement, be matured, and respond to the full arguement. Sentences do not stand in isolation. They support each other to make a logical sense. 3rd, your anger and animosity will not stop Ndigbo and yoruba going to the north to live and do business; and no amount of religious/ethnic crises can stop them. You know why? Because humans, like birds, migrate, political boundry or not. People move from higher population density to lower population density. 4th, I'm not Alhaji Usman. Alhaji Usman was speaking for himself and less likely the people that he represented at that time. That was 1964. You cannot hold me, or any northerner, except Alhaji Usman, for what he said. Just like no one can hold any German responsible for the utterrances of hitler (not that the two are directly comparable )And more importantly, we don't have northern nigerian government now. 5th, there are more southerners in the north than there are northerners in the south. If you are not among those that migrated to the north you will not understand why they are there and you cannot bring them back no matter how many blue coloured lines you write on the internet. It will be in your own interest, not mine, to understand the reason why they are migrating to the north despite the religious difference, the riots etc. It is in the intereste of everyone to find a lasting solution to this problem. Picking loop holes in arguements do not solve the wider problem. 6th, you need to cool down. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by Abagworo(m): 11:10pm On Feb 07, 2011 |
@Tsiya.You are quite logical and neutral in your approach.I have met several Lagos State indigenes living in Port Harcourt.I have met several Rivers state indigenes in Abuja.I have also met several Kano indigenes in Aba. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by T9ksy(m): 1:02am On Feb 08, 2011 |
@ Tsiya, Am not here to win arguments either. infact i hardly post comments, i just read and move on. On my 1st point, i was referring to settlers in my region telling i should accord them equal rights and opportunuity in my region when i know they will not afford me similar latitude in their region. most annoying of all, is when they turn round and start bragging about how many businesses they own in my region when i actually have first hand experience of how this came to be. as per your migration theory, you will never catch me going to the north for all the tea in china. My uncle who incidentally happens to be a muslim was slaughtered in the aftermath of the miss world contest riot in abuja. another one of my friends lost his dad as a result of the various riots in the north 6 years ago. The Alhaji Usman example was just an excerpt from the proceedings from northern house of assembly. they were many more that illustrate the feelings the north arbors for us southerners. the 1953 massacre of Igbos was actually slated for Akintola visit to the north but he did not turn up and the northern elite decided to make do with the igbos instead. afterall, they are southerners too. so they will do. am not attempting to deter anyone form migrating to wherever they want to but you can't tell me that i should interact with my neighbours if i don't want to. The sardunna did not believe in One nigeria as he was fearful of his people being exposed to the decadent lifestyle of us southerners. was he wrong? certainly not. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by ChinenyeN(m): 2:11am On Feb 08, 2011 |
Tsiya:Oh okay. Alright. |
Re: Indigine Vs Settler by nlPoster: 11:39pm On Oct 14, 2019 |
To me, indigene means you can trace your ancestry back to the pre-modern history of a place. Settler means you know where your ancestors came from (during the same era as the above). Just offhand without looking at a dictionary. |
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