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Christians Please Let's Stop Our Denialism in Science - An Appeal by DrLiveLogic(m): 8:20am On Aug 16, 2020
So I was on a thread sometime where a discovery of fossils was made dated to several millions of years back. Then came dissenting comments from professing christians, attempting to completely rubbish the findings and the dating for obvious reasons of assuming it to conflict with biblical facts. It was really despicable that they did that thinking they were actually defending God.
One thing I think we should note is the fact that if God created the universe and specifically, set laws to structure it's existence, then we must accept whatever is built on those laws (emphasis on laws i.e proven indisputable and impeccable), as true and consistent with God. And please don't be overzealous to try to make it match with your derived ideas from the bible. If a proven law or discovery contradicts what you've believed from the bible, I can assure you that it could only be your understanding of the bible that's wrong.
Take note, not the bible itself being wrong but our understanding.
Surely everything in the Bible is 100% true but can be misunderstood, especially as there arise complications transitioning from the spiritual dimension to the natural and also from one human language to another.
No, the bible is obviously not a straightforward book readily grasped like a novel or science digest. It is a spiritual book with more encryption than plain communication.
So as to the matter of the history of the universe that was discussed: science has proven by reliable, though not 100% accurate methods, that the earth, if we wanna play really safe, is at least several million years old and using radiometric dating, we deduce there were creatures that old.
The obvious challenge to the bible scholar would be that the Genesis account dates the creation of man to only about 6000 odd years. Fortunately, this is one of the easier-to-resolve 'contradictions'. Since we know biblically that man was only created about 6000 years ago, then it's safe to say the earth had existed long before Adam and there must have been a pre-adamic age. Even more fortunate is the fact that this is hinted all through the bible, right from the first verses.

Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth became a desolation and vacuity with darkness on the face of the abyss. And the Spirit of God was brooding over the face of its waters...

This all happened before the creation of Adam, so obviously there was a pre-adamic age that ended in annihilation.
So the point as in this case is, science, using proven laws will always agree with God and hence, not conflict with the bible which He is the source of excluding cases of miracles of course. So let's stop making ourselves look bad by living in denial of proven scientific facts. It's doing the God of truth too much disservice and turning honest and rational people off from the gospel.

Lastly, to be clear, I'm aware that there are several manipulations in mainstream science to push loopholed theories like Darwinism and some other incredulous likes down our throats, no different from glaring political bias of the media with info today. For those, we need to just properly scrutinize them under proper scientific method to uncover the gaps and loopholes rather than swallowing such. Fortunately science is objective, not to be monopolised by any group of scientists, so we can all independently investigate for gaps in theories.
Re: Christians Please Let's Stop Our Denialism in Science - An Appeal by Charleys: 8:26am On Aug 16, 2020
How sure are you it was dated millions of years ago, where you there.

The machine used to date that fossil how accurate is it?

Don't scam yourself bro
Re: Christians Please Let's Stop Our Denialism in Science - An Appeal by iKingsley(m): 8:46am On Aug 16, 2020
A-ha, this space is enough
Re: Christians Please Let's Stop Our Denialism in Science - An Appeal by jmoore(m): 8:56am On Aug 16, 2020
Preadamic age ended in annihilation?
That's a complete misleading interpretation.

Proven scientific facts? There are assumptions and there are facts.


Imagine you being present 2 seconds after Adam was created and you have no idea God created Adam. Equipped with the latest MRI technology, you would calculate that Adam is probably 25 years old.

You see the error in the model? Adam was not created a baby. Adam was created a man. Adam skipped the baby stages.

Many creations by God both living and nonliving things skipped the 'baby' stages.
Therefore, there is probability of an error if we keep calculating the past with a model that starts from a 'baby' stage.
Re: Christians Please Let's Stop Our Denialism in Science - An Appeal by adoyi8: 10:02am On Aug 16, 2020
Charleys:
How sure are you it was dated millions of years ago, where you there.

The machine used to date that fossil how accurate is it?

Don't scam yourself bro

it is carbon 14 not a machine and it is not precisely accurate but reliable. I am a computer science graduate not a chemist but from the chemistry i did in sec sch. 12 years ago, I know that carbon 14 is a radioactive element that has a half-life, that is the number of years it takes half of a certain mass of it to decay. every organism has deposits of carbon 14 in its bone which starts decaying as soon as the organism dies. now scientists know the amount of carbon 14 in the organism at death, the know the amount that have decayed and they know the half life of carbon 14 so they can use these to calculate when the organism died.

Science is not magic. The westerners did not hide how science work from anybody. The asians learnt from them and they can now stand shoulder to shoulder to westerners in terms of technology while our lazy ancestors ignored science and copied religion from westerners because they want magic. They want to close their eyes and pray then everything will become perfect.
Re: Christians Please Let's Stop Our Denialism in Science - An Appeal by Nobody: 11:40am On Aug 16, 2020
Charleys:
How sure are you it was dated millions of years ago, where you there.

The machine used to date that fossil how accurate is it?

Don't scam yourself bro
...have you seen malaria parasite or hiv with your eyes? Even the phone or laptop you use do you have any idea how it works? You agree these things exists but choose not to accept others because you think you know more than the scientists? Can you help me with something please? When God drove man from the garden of eden He placed an Angel there with a flaming sword to protect the tree of life, where is this Angel today? Where is Eden? Where is the tree of Life? Is there any record anywhere God has removed it from the earth?
Again, in the creation story the sun was created on the 4th day of creation, with morning, evening, day and night already existing from day one when there was no sun, how does that work? Do you think a day of the creation story refers to our normal 24 hours day?
The Bible says all scriptures were given by inspiration, not dictation, so you cant expect everything to be black and white. The Bible should not be taken literally. The creation story is more of an allegory.
Re: Christians Please Let's Stop Our Denialism in Science - An Appeal by Dtruthspeaker: 11:52am On Aug 16, 2020
Science means to Study to Acquire Knowledge Christians know that.

The problem is that, that same study and knowledge also produces wicked and evil fabrications which are not Naturally True but are Artificial And False Creations Represented and Advertised as Truths.

This will always be a problem for us for the Wicked People would not cease in their wicked Orchestrations and Machinations using knowledge and Falsehoods, so also shall we be ceaseless in Telling Them That they are Crafty Liars and Frauds trying to Deceive People to their destruction,by using the Truth to Lie!
Re: Christians Please Let's Stop Our Denialism in Science - An Appeal by DrLiveLogic(m): 11:14pm On Sep 27, 2020
jmoore:
Preadamic age ended in annihilation?
That's a complete misleading interpretation.

Proven scientific facts? There are assumptions and there are facts.


Imagine you being present 2 seconds after Adam was created and you have no idea God created Adam. Equipped with the latest MRI technology, you would calculate that Adam is probably 25 years old.

You see the error in the model? Adam was not created a baby. Adam was created a man. Adam skipped the baby stages.

Many creations by God both living and nonliving things skipped the 'baby' stages.
Therefore, there is probability of an error if we keep calculating the past with a model that starts from a 'baby' stage.


Yeah. I get your point, though this is supposed to only affect the first generation of species, so the error should lie in the age range of the first generation.
However, expanding your point, the truth is there are still many unknowns and blindsides, Our model assumes everything has been running on a fixed template without transitions and stuff like that.

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