Are the Yorubas related to the Gbagyi people of the middle belt of Nigeria? Anyone with any knowledge here?

please don't drag Yorubas into the mud, we don't want insult.


we are not land grabbers.


as far as Nigeria is concerned, Yorubas are predominantly found in South West (Ekiti, Lagos, Osun, Ondo, Ogun and Oyo) plus Kwara(Kwara South and Central ) and Kogi west.

we have no relationship with the gbagyi.

NubaVertigo:
Are the Yorubas related to the Gbagyi people of the middle belt of Nigeria? Anyone with any knowledge here?

Yes
both are closely related to the Nupe. Sultan Bello. told Clapperton around 1836 that Nupe and Yoruba were more or less the same people (Oyo conquered and ruled over Nupe from around the 15th Century after the Nupe had initially conquered and ruled the Oyo for 85 years). The Gwari or Gbagyi are an off shoot of the Nupe and also immediate neighbours of the Oworo and Okun Yoruba's of Kogi State.

Gen Babangida is officially Gwari/Gbagyi

Gbagyis? Nope..

Yorubas don’t mention them in our history even when Nupe (Tapa) is mentioned severally and is very well known. There are even towns in Yorubaland founded by Nupes.

Gbagyis are more like the Nupes without a strong culture/history- and we don’t really know them.

Thank you all for your feedback. All very eye opening. Keep them coming please

BrownLondon:
please don't drag Yorubas into the mud, we don't want insult.


we are not land grabbers.


as far as Nigeria is concerned, Yorubas are predominantly found in South West (Ekiti, Lagos, Osun, Ondo, Ogun and Oyo) plus Kwara(Kwara South and Central ) and Kogi west.

we have no relationship with the gbagyi.

I am not land grabbing. I am searching for history

scholes0:
Gbagyis? Nope..

Yorubas don’t mention them in our history even when Nupe (Tapa) is mentioned severally and is very well known. There are even towns in Yorubaland founded by Nupes.

Gbagyis are more like the Nupes without a strong culture/history- and we don’t really know them.

I'm curious though, also. Could there be any link with the fact that Nok art is found near their site and Esie (Yoruba sculptures) and other forms of Yoruba art look like Nok art? They also speak a language which falls under the Volta-Niger cluster -- "Gb" consonant and "kp" consonant

Note that they also see that head as sacred, but treat it moreso as such than the Yorubas do.

Just asking questions. (note: I think Nok is actually found in the Atyap section, but they live immediately close to Gbagyi)

NubaVertigo:


I'm curious though, also. Could there be any link with the fact that Nok art is found near their site and Esie (Yoruba sculptures) and other forms of Yoruba art look like Nok art? They also speak a language which falls under the Volta-Niger cluster -- "Gb" consonant and "kp" consonant

Note that they also see that head as sacred, but treat it moreso as such than the Yorubas do.

Just asking questions. (note: I think Nok is actually found in the Atyap section, but they live immediately close to Gbagyi)

Their reverence for the “head” might just be co-incidental with that of the Yoruba, Furthermore- there is no proof per say that the makers of the ancient Nok works of art were the direct ancestors of todays Gbagyis, and even if they were, I am sure there are other populations descended from the same stock as well.

Yes I am familiar with their language , it sounds very much like Nupe.

scholes0:


Their reverence for the “head” might just be co-incidental with that of the Yoruba, Furthermore- there is no proof per say that the makers of the ancient Nok works of art were the direct ancestors of todays Gbagyis, and even if they were, I am sure there are other populations descended from the same stock as well.

Yes I am familiar with their language , it sounds very much like Nupe.

Thanks for that feedback and for your insight.

Yes we cut ourselves into pieces these days Bini, Esan, Gbagi, Nupe or Tapa. This is why they call us tribes even when our population was more than theirs and still is.

The technology of Non Culture, iron, terracotta and I do Eleru 10,000 BC was only found within the Yoruba.

scholes0:
Gbagyis? Nope..

Yorubas don’t mention them in our history even when Nupe (Tapa) is mentioned severally and is very well known. There are even towns in Yorubaland founded by Nupes.

Gbagyis are more like the Nupes without a strong culture/history- and we don’t really know them.

Gwari are. offshoot of the Nupe and Yoruba are strongly related to Nupe. If you are related to the father you are related to his son.

Most ethnicities of the South and Middle belt are ancestrally connected.
But there is no special connection between Gbagyi and Yoruba in particular but Yoruba were in very deep contact with Nupe. Gbagyi are the closest ethnicity to the Nupe so even if records of interaction are scarce between Yoruba and Gbagyi, interaction definitely happened

OP, tribalism, chest beating and supremacy battle won't let you get the facts.

Essentially less than 5000 years ago, many tribes in current Southern and Middle Belt of Nigeria would have had a lot in common.

But people will only accept that now if they can claim that their current tribe was the leader of all.

macof:
Most ethnicities of the South and Middle belt are ancestrally connected.
But there is no special connection between Gbagyi and Yoruba in particular but Yoruba were in very deep contact with Nupe. Gbagyi are the closest ethnicity to the Nupe so even if records of interaction are scarce between Yoruba and Gbagyi, interaction definitely happened

Yes, I'm inclined to think so as well. It only sounds reasonable