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|Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 9:18am On Sep 13|
Jesus was a man: the proof of prophets
Before we begin let us read some verses, no matter how many times you read it or the number of translations you read, it is more important to understand the truth than to just read an article.
You attend meetings, or even a regular member of any meeting, where the speaker is fond of referring to Jesus as a god who on earth who could do and undo, so that you too can do and undo as mini gods, that speaker is not of God and both he and those who follow such one will end up in destruction. Jesus came in humility, lived in humility, died in humility, an example to us of humility that we may live humbly and died in service of others and God and not claim to be a god, and not use the name of God as an excuse for violence.
Some Jews were too proud, so they did not believe in Jesus because Jesus was a man.
John wrote, anyone whose message is that Jesus was a god or a spirit is of the devil.
When I see Christians and Muslims argue about belief especially when they have not studied the Bible and the Koran with humility it's funny how extreme a person can go even when they are wrong. One says you must believe that Jesus is God, the other says, Jesus was a man but he did not rise from the dead or have divine birth. But the record says Jesus a man of supernaturally divine birth, was crucified and he rose. Simple truth but the devil is a master of fractioning the truth. Making you believe part of something while adding something else to it. He removes and adds to God's word.
Jesus was the word of God, before he became flesh and now is the lamb that was slain who is at the right hand of God.
A man can die, God cannot die because God is spirit, John 4:24.
Jesus is the Son of God - correct
Jesus is God - wrong
Jesus is the Son - wrong
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|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by akinmusi(m): 9:21am On Sep 13|
What we have of the Bible record was and that he came down in form of man to dwell among humans, setting examples that whatever you may face as trials and tribulations, he has gone through it.
By the way, Designs, print and brand.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by ggirl4real: 9:22am On Sep 13|
Does it change anything if Jesus is God and also the Son of God?
This is the problem I have with the Bible. I'm very sure that people that hold opossing views about Jesus being God or not have Bible verses to back up their stance and will claim that they are being led by the Holy Spirit.
The writers of the Bible should have looked to a way to avoid these ambiguities.
However, whether Jesus is God or only Son of God, the most important thing is that Christians should emulate the lifestyle of Christ so that we can have a better society.
That is my concern.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by akinmusi(m): 9:25am On Sep 13|
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by Madibah(m): 9:58am On Sep 13|
Who's Jesus seff
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 10:09am On Sep 13|
ggirl4real:It took a very little detail for Eve to be deceived by the serpent and cause the fall of man. It took Jesus observing every detail to know the deceptive voice of the devil tempting him.
God is not an author of confusion, most of the complexities are added by men.
There's no where in the prophets and the law it was written that God will come through a woman and save the people. Even if we don't go that far, from the recorded visitation of Gabriel to Mary it is easy and straight to conclude that–this man is the son of God–a statement repeated more frequently than the idea of him being God.
Even to the voice of God that spoke from heaven.
To the asking of the disciples, who am I? The answer> son of the living God.
When scriptures says, there is no other God but God. Jesus and the Holy Spirit existed, they were with God.
As short as my writing was I stated the difference between believing Jesus is God and believing Jesus is the Son of God. in one they act like they are gods and in the other they act like they are servant and sons of God.
We are brothers of Christ, co-heirs, not brothers of God nor equal with God.
Their are things we believe that humbles us and things we believe that make us proud and arrogant. Which of the two would God save?!
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 10:14am On Sep 13|
Madibah:Jesus is the lamb(man) that was slain, who is at the right hand of God.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by ggirl4real: 10:14am On Sep 13|
Like I said earlier, you are only expressing your thought.
Christians who also hold the view that Jesus is God also back up their stance with the Scriptures.
The ultimate thing should be that Christians should emulate the life of Christ, whether they see Him as God or Son of God.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by orunto27: 10:35am On Sep 13|
Jesus is a Man Anointed.
Christ is a Savior God
Christ is the Son of God - correct
Jesus is God - wrong but Christ is God-correct
Jesus is the Son of Man - correct and He suffered what you and I are yet to suffer before we become full man in front of God.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 11:15am On Sep 13|
ggirl4real:I am expressing scripture and my stance is with God's word. Even the devil quotes scripture
One can only emulate a life properly defined. You say the life of Christ. What is the life of Christ. The life of a god or the life of a servant and a son of God. It can't be the two, even the devil would say good or evil it doesn't matter has long we are wise by it. It matters when it's not the truth.
Can one emulate someone they do not know or haven't met? Jesus asked, "who do you say I am? " was it not because his true identity is important.
When he took them to the mount of transfiguration was it not to clarify who he is.
When John and the other writers wrote about him, was it not to state who he is. From Genesis to Revelation of who, of him.
I ask you again, can anyone emulate one whom they do not know. Because if a Jesus is preached, which Jesus is it?
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 11:22am On Sep 13|
orunto27:Does Christ not mean anointed? Is God anointed?
Is Jesus anointed? Yes. Anointed by who? By God. Anointed why? Because the anointing means one chosen. Chosen by who? By God
So is Christ God? No. It is anti-Christ and not anti-God–the ones who stand against humility to God and stand as gods.
Yes Jesus is the Son of God and also the Son of Man(as spoken of in Genesis as the promised seed)
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by ggirl4real: 11:25am On Sep 13|
So what should we do not if they refuse to accept that Jesus is not God but only the Son of God?
You can't force them to believe just like they can't force you to believe their opinions.
That's why I'm saying that Christians should just strive to live like Christ since they can't agree in doctrines.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 11:36am On Sep 13|
ggirl4real:my message is for children of God. Christians can do whatever they want, haven't they done so for so long.
For those who believe the truth are children of God and blessed are those who accept God's truth revealed to them.
I will not force anyone but neither will I agree with them–because God won't.
It's good you say they should live like Christ but which Christ do you show them to live by.
I don't care about the doctrines of men but the teachings of the scripture. What God says and God said, "this is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased, listen to him"
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by sonmvayina(m): 12:07pm On Sep 13|
All this back and Fort arguements will be ended if you guys care to research.. Jesus is just a Roman creation.. The earlier you realize that the earlier you come back to reality.. And wake up..
Time after time, the law and the prophet said that God is not a man or a human being.. Worshiping anything that has form is forbidden and tantamount to idolatry... Messiah means anointed king. Anointed with a special oil to signify kingship, just as Samuel did to Saul and David.. The Messiah is not a son of God or miracle worker... Magic and sorcery is forbidden in Judaism...
God is the divine consciousness, at least that is what the law and the prophet says..
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 1:34pm On Sep 13|
sonmvayina:Magic and sorcery is forbidden but not miracles. Miracles are the works of God, which Prophets of Israel experienced.
Jesus, Yeshua, Yahsa.. whichever translation as long as it is Jehova saves or better still YHVH saves. Then he is of God and not of man. God himself is not formless, the law you are stating is of carved man made images. Prophets knew the Messiah is to born not through sexual intercourse, prophet said, the virgin shall be with child. Virgin a lady who hasn't known a man, how can such one be with child if it is not by the power of God's word. And the word became flesh.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by sonmvayina(m): 1:39pm On Sep 13|
Can I see a passage in the old testament to support all these your claims..
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 1:42pm On Sep 13|
sonmvayina:you want 1 passage for all these claims
go to Deuteronomy the commandments, go to Isaiah the prophecy.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by sonmvayina(m): 1:57pm On Sep 13|
I have read both.. Did not find it, narrow it down for me..
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by xproducer: 10:00pm On Sep 13|
In pertinent part, Who the Lord JESUS CHRIST Is...
"For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made." - John 1:1-3
"Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." - Revelations 1:7-8
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 10:44pm On Sep 13|
xproducer:First verse you wrote: and he shall be called.. NOT HE IS. He shall be called. Children bare their father's name doesn't mean they are exactly the same.
Second verse, those who study Greek would tell you that the last phrase word was God, actually means word was divine. and not the Word was the God or the Almighty God.
Third verse. God was speaking, He called Himself the Almighty. Revelation 1:1 the revelation which God gave. Verse 2, the record of God's word. God speaking.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by xproducer: 10:51pm On Sep 13|
Perhaps you will attempt to explain to the Lord JESUS when He returns...
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 10:18am On Sep 14|
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by orunto27: 7:49pm On Sep 16|
Does Christ not mean anointed? No. Christ is Savior.
Is God anointed? No. The Spirit of God anoints us as The Lord pleases.
Is Jesus anointed? Yes. Anointed by who? By The Spirit God.
Anointed why? Because the anointing means one chosen.
Chosen by who? By The Supreme Spirit of God
So is Christ God? Yes. As a Savior, He holds The Sceptre of a Saving Grace. He is The God of Light, of Goodness and of Life. He is God The Faith, The Hope, God of Peace and God in Love. It is neither anti-Christ nor anti-God. The ones who stands against humility to God is Satan. He is a Son of God, a Substantive Spirit and The Chief Quality Control Buraitai in Heaven,
Yes Jesus is the Son of Man and Christ, The Son of God(as spoken of in Genesis as the promised seed).
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by Nobody: 8:33pm On Sep 16|
BlueAngel444:Jesus is both man and God.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 10:31am On Sep 17|
orunto27:according to your statement every savior, every deliverer, every one anointed in scripture is
you are adding things
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 10:33am On Sep 17|
solite3:God is not a man.
Jesus was a man, Jesus is the lamb that was slain.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by Nobody: 2:22pm On Sep 17|
BlueAngel444:God is not a man only mean God's nature is different from man's nature but does not invalidate that Jesus is both God and man. John 1v1,18
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 2:35pm On Sep 17|
solite3:and the scripture associating Jesus and God doesn't mean Jesus is God, it only means and refers to God's nature in Jesus. John 1v1 speaks of his divinity but doesn't call him the God, the one and only God. vs 18 calls him the Son, the only begotten Son, and not God or self existing all sufficient God.
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|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by Nobody: 8:00pm On Sep 17|
BlueAngel444:John said the word was God. If Jesus has God's nature what does that make Jesus? Or you want to tell me a mere creature created All things or Angel's would worship a mere creature?
God's nature include self existence, so If Jesus has God's nature it means he self exist.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 11:07am On Sep 18|
John said the word was God. If Jesus has God's nature what does that make Jesus? Or you want to tell me a mere creature created All things or Angel's would worship a mere creature?Children of God have God's nature, but those that make us gods? NO.
God spoke the word into existence. Jesus is called the first begotten, means he came to be, from God. Jesus existed because God willed it so.
Worship means to adore, don't we adore our parents and elders, don't we knee or bow our heads to our leaders to honor them. Don't we praise those who do well.
Note this, when Jesus entered Jerusalem what was said is "blessed is he WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" and not blessed is the LORD GOD.
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by Emusan(m): 12:55pm On Sep 18|
Since you claim Jesus is A MAN does that mean Jesus didn't exist before becoming A MAN?
1. If your answer is No! Then Who was He before becoming A MAN?
2. The person who became A MAN does He stopped existing or just change Nature?
NOTICE: As you rightly said above, spirits don't die!
|Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by BlueAngel444: 12:59pm On Sep 18|
Emusan:firstly I didn't claim whatever you wrote there.
I stated from scripture that Jesus was the word of God before he became flesh and dwelt among us as a man and IS now the lamb that was slain at the right hand of God
Have you not read in Scripture how the second Adam was made into a quicken spirit.
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