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Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by MistadeRegal(m): 8:14pm On Sep 13, 2020
Exodus 20:3-5 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

John 5:22-23 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Matthew 12:46-47 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

Matthew 12:48-50 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Luke 11:27-28 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

John 2:3-4 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

I believe you all are able to see how often JESUS CHRIST rebuffed and stopped them from giving glory or honour to Mary and neither did He call her "Mother" but rather, "Woman".... These He did for a reason.
This is not to condemn anyone. But our LORD JESUS CHRIST said we have who judges us; the Words He has spoken.

I'll advise that you all also check your Bible, King James Version. You will see it all there. This is not to fight, condemn nor insult anyone. But to let youknow the truth. Because you may not know, since you are raised up that way, it may not be easy to convince you it's not the way. But find time, check for yourself.

I just want everyone here to know one thing that the true GOD we are to worship as followers of JESUS CHRIST is a Spirit. And our LORD JESUS CHRIST also said we must only worship Him in Truth and in Spirit. Which means a spiritual way.

If anyone asks you to stand before, kneel to, bow before, bow to, kneel before, sing before, pray to, pray before, burn incense to, make oblations to, and or kiss any image or anything you can see with your human eyes, touch, place, replace, carry, mold, engrave, paint, move, remove, they're tactically making you worship idol in disguise. Please don't follow them anymore.

Isaiah 46:6-7 They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, and hire a goldsmith; and he maketh it a god: they fall down, yea, they worship.
They bear him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he standeth; from his place shall he not remove: yea, one shall cry unto him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.

You may not know before, because that's how you were brought up. But please, find time within your tight schedule to find out the hidden truth about the worship of the Queen of Heaven in Jeremiah chapters 7 and 44. There you will see what GOD said about the worship of the infamous Queen of Heaven.

Don't let anyone mislead you in the name of religion or worship. Save your soul. Make the move. Find the True GOD. He is looking at your heart and waiting for you to really recognize Him. He has stretched His hand waiting for you to recognize Him.

There are some ministers today who also give you images to worship, either in the church premises or in the church, they're making you worship idol openly in disguise. Don't follow them. It is written already that these kind of pastors and prophets will come, but JESUS CHRIST had warned that don't let them deceive you.

You're not to worship any image whatsoever. Be it of your pastor or any paintings made and called the image of JESUS CHRIST, which is not true because the JESUS CHRIST you're to worship is in Heaven. Not in any image nor anymore on any cross or stake whatsoever.

Idol worship comes in different ways. Not only when the priest is a shriner. If anyone, just as I said earlier asks you to kneel before anything or any image, or bow to it, kiss it, pray to it or before it, it is idolatry.

Fixing your heart and eyes on images you see and thinking it's JESUS CHRIST or GOD is a satanic tactical method of disguised idolatry. Please, you need to withdraw from it.
When you pray to GOD, your 'heart' must be fixed on the Heavenly 'GOD' not to fix your 'eyes' on any 'image' you see or set before you. But rather:

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

You may say afterall, GOD told Moses to make a bronze serpent that whosever shall look to it shall not die of the serpent bite. Now, before the LORD JESUS CHRIST came, the people still sacrifice unto GOD. Rams, bulls, goats, turtledoves etc. And that day when the Israelites sinned against GOD, He sent serpents unto them and some of them were killed.

When the plague continued, the people repented and the LORD told Moses to make a similar of that serpent and raise it up. That whosoever among them looks at it, the snake bite will not kill them. GOD never asked them to bow before the bronze serpent nor pray to it, kiss it, worship it nor make oblations to it.

Neither did they kiss nor burn incense to the molten serpent. Now, today, JESUS CHRIST is the exemplary and the greater than the serpent when He died on the cross. And since then, whosoever shall look unto JESUS CHRIST, not any image said to be His, but looking unto Him directly shall be saved.

If you want the governor of your state to employ you to work, will you try gaining access to the governor himself or will you go to meet his picture hanging somewhere or his statue standing somewhere and ask the picture or statue for employment? That's how it is. Talk to JESUS CHRIST, not an image or statue said to be of Him.

Do not let anyone deceive you with their doctrines gotten from the devil in lies to make you miss GOD'S own Salvation of your soul given for free through JESUS CHRIST. Use the same energy and devotion to serve JESUS CHRIST, for you cannot serve GOD and Ashtaroth.

Return to JESUS CHRIST and experience the meaning of true worship without condemnation before GOD, for He has spoken and thus said:

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

So, to all and sundry, this is to try make you understand that JESUS CHRIST is the One you need, not an image drawn, painted, engraved, carved or molded and said to be JESUS CHRIST.
And I pray that the LORD JESUS CHRIST will open your understanding heart, your spiritual eyes, your spiritual ears and inspire you to understand these.

Amen.

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Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by Xscape1993(m): 8:24pm On Sep 13, 2020
Are you God that knows those that honour Mary? Is Mary not the mother of God? What will you then say to those that carry their pastor's pictures all over? What about the stickers that people are carrying about? Did Jesus honour His mother by turning the water into wine even when His time has not come? Why did you complete that part of the Bible? Look for something else to write please and leave churches for God.

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Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by silibaba: 10:51pm On Sep 13, 2020
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Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by silibaba: 10:54pm On Sep 13, 2020
MistadeRegal:
Exodus 20:3-5 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

John 5:22-23 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Matthew 12:46-47 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

Matthew 12:48-50 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Luke 11:27-28 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

John 2:3-4 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

I believe you all are able to see how often JESUS CHRIST rebuffed and stopped them from giving glory or honour to Mary and neither did He call her "Mother" but rather, "Woman".... These He did for a reason.
This is not to condemn anyone. But our LORD JESUS CHRIST said we have who judges us; the Words He has spoken.

I'll advise that you all also check your Bible, King James Version. You will see it all there. This is not to fight, condemn nor insult anyone. But to let youknow the truth. Because you may not know, since you are raised up that way, it may not be easy to convince you it's not the way. But find time, check for yourself.

I just want everyone here to know one thing that the true GOD we are to worship as followers of JESUS CHRIST is a Spirit. And our LORD JESUS CHRIST also said we must only worship Him in Truth and in Spirit. Which means a spiritual way.

If anyone asks you to stand before, kneel to, bow before, bow to, kneel before, sing before, pray to, pray before, burn incense to, make oblations to, and or kiss any image or anything you can see with your human eyes, touch, place, replace, carry, mold, engrave, paint, move, remove, they're tactically making you worship idol in disguise. Please don't follow them anymore.

Isaiah 46:6-7 They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, and hire a goldsmith; and he maketh it a god: they fall down, yea, they worship.
They bear him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he standeth; from his place shall he not remove: yea, one shall cry unto him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.

You may not know before, because that's how you were brought up. But please, find time within your tight schedule to find out the hidden truth about the worship of the Queen of Heaven in Jeremiah chapters 7 and 44. There you will see what GOD said about the worship of the infamous Queen of Heaven.

Don't let anyone mislead you in the name of religion or worship. Save your soul. Make the move. Find the True GOD. He is looking at your heart and waiting for you to really recognize Him. He has stretched His hand waiting for you to recognize Him.

There are some ministers today who also give you images to worship, either in the church premises or in the church, they're making you worship idol openly in disguise. Don't follow them. It is written already that these kind of pastors and prophets will come, but JESUS CHRIST had warned that don't let them deceive you.

You're not to worship any image whatsoever. Be it of your pastor or any paintings made and called the image of JESUS CHRIST, which is not true because the JESUS CHRIST you're to worship is in Heaven. Not in any image nor anymore on any cross or stake whatsoever.

Idol worship comes in different ways. Not only when the priest is a shriner. If anyone, just as I said earlier asks you to kneel before anything or any image, or bow to it, kiss it, pray to it or before it, it is idolatry.

Fixing your heart and eyes on images you see and thinking it's JESUS CHRIST or GOD is a satanic tactical method of disguised idolatry. Please, you need to withdraw from it.
When you pray to GOD, your 'heart' must be fixed on the Heavenly 'GOD' not to fix your 'eyes' on any 'image' you see or set before you. But rather:

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

You may say afterall, GOD told Moses to make a bronze serpent that whosever shall look to it shall not die of the serpent bite. Now, before the LORD JESUS CHRIST came, the people still sacrifice unto GOD. Rams, bulls, goats, turtledoves etc. And that day when the Israelites sinned against GOD, He sent serpents unto them and some of them were killed.

When the plague continued, the people repented and the LORD told Moses to make a similar of that serpent and raise it up. That whosoever among them looks at it, the snake bite will not kill them. GOD never asked them to bow before the bronze serpent nor pray to it, kiss it, worship it nor make oblations to it.

Neither did they kiss nor burn incense to the molten serpent. Now, today, JESUS CHRIST is the exemplary and the greater than the serpent when He died on the cross. And since then, whosoever shall look unto JESUS CHRIST, not any image said to be His, but looking unto Him directly shall be saved.

If you want the governor of your state to employ you to work, will you try gaining access to the governor himself or will you go to meet his picture hanging somewhere or his statue standing somewhere and ask the picture or statue for employment? That's how it is. Talk to JESUS CHRIST, not an image or statue said to be of Him.

Do not let anyone deceive you with their doctrines gotten from the devil in lies to make you miss GOD'S own Salvation of your soul given for free through JESUS CHRIST. Use the same energy and devotion to serve JESUS CHRIST, for you cannot serve GOD and Ashtaroth.

Return to JESUS CHRIST and experience the meaning of true worship without condemnation before GOD, for He has spoken and thus said:

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

So, to all and sundry, this is to try make you understand that JESUS CHRIST is the One you need, not an image drawn, painted, engraved, carved or molded and said to be JESUS CHRIST.
And I pray that the LORD JESUS CHRIST will open your understanding heart, your spiritual eyes, your spiritual ears and inspire you to understand these.

Amen.
It is better for me to worship Mary than worship tithe eater(pastor).
Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by LikeAking: 11:53pm On Sep 13, 2020
MistadeRegal:
Exodus 20:3-5 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

John 5:22-23 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Matthew 12:46-47 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

Matthew 12:48-50 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Luke 11:27-28 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

John 2:3-4 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

I believe you all are able to see how often JESUS CHRIST rebuffed and stopped them from giving glory or honour to Mary and neither did He call her "Mother" but rather, "Woman".... These He did for a reason.
This is not to condemn anyone. But our LORD JESUS CHRIST said we have who judges us; the Words He has spoken.

I'll advise that you all also check your Bible, King James Version. You will see it all there. This is not to fight, condemn nor insult anyone. But to let youknow the truth. Because you may not know, since you are raised up that way, it may not be easy to convince you it's not the way. But find time, check for yourself.

I just want everyone here to know one thing that the true GOD we are to worship as followers of JESUS CHRIST is a Spirit. And our LORD JESUS CHRIST also said we must only worship Him in Truth and in Spirit. Which means a spiritual way.

If anyone asks you to stand before, kneel to, bow before, bow to, kneel before, sing before, pray to, pray before, burn incense to, make oblations to, and or kiss any image or anything you can see with your human eyes, touch, place, replace, carry, mold, engrave, paint, move, remove, they're tactically making you worship idol in disguise. Please don't follow them anymore.

Isaiah 46:6-7 They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, and hire a goldsmith; and he maketh it a god: they fall down, yea, they worship.
They bear him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he standeth; from his place shall he not remove: yea, one shall cry unto him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.

You may not know before, because that's how you were brought up. But please, find time within your tight schedule to find out the hidden truth about the worship of the Queen of Heaven in Jeremiah chapters 7 and 44. There you will see what GOD said about the worship of the infamous Queen of Heaven.

Don't let anyone mislead you in the name of religion or worship. Save your soul. Make the move. Find the True GOD. He is looking at your heart and waiting for you to really recognize Him. He has stretched His hand waiting for you to recognize Him.

There are some ministers today who also give you images to worship, either in the church premises or in the church, they're making you worship idol openly in disguise. Don't follow them. It is written already that these kind of pastors and prophets will come, but JESUS CHRIST had warned that don't let them deceive you.

You're not to worship any image whatsoever. Be it of your pastor or any paintings made and called the image of JESUS CHRIST, which is not true because the JESUS CHRIST you're to worship is in Heaven. Not in any image nor anymore on any cross or stake whatsoever.

Idol worship comes in different ways. Not only when the priest is a shriner. If anyone, just as I said earlier asks you to kneel before anything or any image, or bow to it, kiss it, pray to it or before it, it is idolatry.

Fixing your heart and eyes on images you see and thinking it's JESUS CHRIST or GOD is a satanic tactical method of disguised idolatry. Please, you need to withdraw from it.
When you pray to GOD, your 'heart' must be fixed on the Heavenly 'GOD' not to fix your 'eyes' on any 'image' you see or set before you. But rather:

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

You may say afterall, GOD told Moses to make a bronze serpent that whosever shall look to it shall not die of the serpent bite. Now, before the LORD JESUS CHRIST came, the people still sacrifice unto GOD. Rams, bulls, goats, turtledoves etc. And that day when the Israelites sinned against GOD, He sent serpents unto them and some of them were killed.

When the plague continued, the people repented and the LORD told Moses to make a similar of that serpent and raise it up. That whosoever among them looks at it, the snake bite will not kill them. GOD never asked them to bow before the bronze serpent nor pray to it, kiss it, worship it nor make oblations to it.

Neither did they kiss nor burn incense to the molten serpent. Now, today, JESUS CHRIST is the exemplary and the greater than the serpent when He died on the cross. And since then, whosoever shall look unto JESUS CHRIST, not any image said to be His, but looking unto Him directly shall be saved.

If you want the governor of your state to employ you to work, will you try gaining access to the governor himself or will you go to meet his picture hanging somewhere or his statue standing somewhere and ask the picture or statue for employment? That's how it is. Talk to JESUS CHRIST, not an image or statue said to be of Him.

Do not let anyone deceive you with their doctrines gotten from the devil in lies to make you miss GOD'S own Salvation of your soul given for free through JESUS CHRIST. Use the same energy and devotion to serve JESUS CHRIST, for you cannot serve GOD and Ashtaroth.

Return to JESUS CHRIST and experience the meaning of true worship without condemnation before GOD, for He has spoken and thus said:

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

So, to all and sundry, this is to try make you understand that JESUS CHRIST is the One you need, not an image drawn, painted, engraved, carved or molded and said to be JESUS CHRIST.
And I pray that the LORD JESUS CHRIST will open your understanding heart, your spiritual eyes, your spiritual ears and inspire you to understand these.

Amen.

Abobi!.

Humans have the right to worship wat so ever they like.

Mind your biz.The most important thing are your contribution to humanity.

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Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by peggywebbs(f): 7:38am On Sep 14, 2020
Who says people worship Mary? If you don't understand a doctrine, don't come an attack it. Jesus said a house divided among itself cannot stand.

We Christians keep condemning ourselves instead of focusing on the message," repent for the kingdom of God is at hand". Rapture will happen very soon.

P.S Catholics don't worship Mary. They honour her. If you really want to know the reason for many practices, do your research.

The first church was Catholic, and the first Pope was Apostle Peter. Just know that the foundation of the bible you read, even your church originates from the first church. Condemning their doctrine means condemning the whole idea on Christianity. There are many books which the Roman Catholics have, that will even give you a very deep idea on the foundation of the church. Stop quoting the bible they composed for you against them. Focus on making heaven. Periodt
Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by ABOVEDELAW: 9:45am On Sep 14, 2020
POINT OF CORRECTION, THE FIRST CHURCH WAS NOT ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. IT WAS THE UPPER ROOM CHURCH AT JOHN MARK'S MOTHER'S HOUSE WHICH JESUS EVEN ATTENDED WHEN HE ROSE UP FROM DEATH.
Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by Kobojunkie: 11:33pm On Oct 31, 2020
Xscape1993:
Is Mary not the mother of God?
No, Mary was not the mother of God. She was a human being like any other, required by God to either believe and obey His will or refuse and meet the same end that others who refused to obey Him would.
Xscape1993:
What will you then say to those that carry their pastor's pictures all over?
Idolatry of any kind is idolatry!
Xscape1993:
What about the stickers that people are carrying about?
So long as the object is worshipped as a god of some sort it is idol worship and against God.
Xscape1993:
Did Jesus honour His mother by turning the water into wine even when His time has not come?
Did Jesus Christ Himself tell you that the reason He turned Water into wine is in honour of His mother? Or did you imagine that part all by yourself there?
That said, a part of the Old Covenant law is, "Honor thy father and thy mother so that you may live long in the land that your God has given you". Jesus Christ came to fulfil the law and it would not have made sense if He had not honoured his mother at any point in time, would it now?
Xscape1993:
Why did you complete that part of the Bible? Look for something else to write please and leave churches for God.
Wrong! Idolatry of every kind is anti-Christ!
That said, Mary got no special treatment from Jesus Christ, as far His followers are concerned. The passage below explains that all of those who were to become followers of Jesus Christ were subject to submitting to complete obedience of the commandments that God had stipulated as part of the New Covenant/agreement that is Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12 vs 46-50 (ERV)
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46. While Jesus was talking to the people, his mother and brothers stood outside. They wanted to talk to him.
47. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are waiting for you outside. They want to talk to you.”

48. Jesus answered, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?”
49. Then he pointed to his followers and said, “See! These people are my mother and my brothers.
50. Yes, anyone who does what my Father in heaven wants is my true brother and sister and mother.”

The passage above clearly shows that Mary did not get preferential treatment for being His birth mother, as far as the Kingdom of God was concerned.
Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by Kobojunkie: 12:23am On Nov 01, 2020
silibaba:
It is better for me to worship Mary than worship tithe eater(pastor).
Really? Cause you all end up in the same place, according to Jesus Christ, forever! undecided undecided
Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by Kobojunkie: 12:24am On Nov 01, 2020
LikeAking:
Abobi!.Humans have the right to worship wat so ever they like. Mind your biz.The most important thing are your contribution to humanity.
According to whom? God or man? undecided
Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by Kobojunkie: 12:38am On Nov 01, 2020
peggywebbs:
Who says people worship Mary? If you don't understand a doctrine, don't come an attack it. Jesus said a house divided among itself cannot stand.
There is no need to lie... People do in fact worship mary!
peggywebbs:
We Christians keep condemning ourselves instead of focusing on the message," repent for the kingdom of God is at hand". Rapture will happen very soon.
The Gospel of the Kingdom of God is more than just a message to repent for the kingdom of God is at hand... it is more than that. If you spent time reading at least one of the gospels from beginning to end, you would note that every step Jesus took, and every word that came out of His mouth, all a part of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.
peggywebbs:
P.S Catholics don't worship Mary. They honour her. If you really want to know the reason for many practices, do your research.
But according to Jesus Christ, isn't all glory and honour meant to be for God and God alone?
peggywebbs:
The first church was Catholic, and the first Pope was Apostle Peter. Just know that the foundation of the bible you read, even your church originates from the first church. Condemning their doctrine means condemning the whole idea on Christianity. There are many books which the Roman Catholics have, that will even give you a very deep idea on the foundation of the church. Stop quoting the bible they composed for you against them. Focus on making heaven. Periodt
The first church was not a catholic church. Your catholic church came into existence sometime around between 350 AD and 450 AD.... it was definitely not even the second church or the 10th, since there were so many churches in existence long before the catholic church showed up on the scene.
Sure, the vast majority of the churches as we have them today have their roots from the catholic church, but that does not mean the catholic church is the only one of its kind in existence. I believe the church established in Ethiopia, once a direct competition to the roman catholic church is still in existence to this day. That the roman catholic church found a way to try to re-write the history of churches, does not mean it succeeded.

Part of making heaven is ensuring you are doing that which Jesus Christ commanded you to do in order to enter His Heaven. Yes, Heaven belongs to Jesus Christ and even his mother, Mary, had to obey the same exact commandments that every other follower of Jesus Christ was subject to, in order to gain a place there in Heaven -- she did not get preferential treatment as Jesus Christ's birth mother. Mary had to earn for herself a place in Heaven, just like everyone else who wants to enter that abode.

Matthew 12 vs 46-50 (ERV)
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46. While Jesus was talking to the people, his mother and brothers stood outside. They wanted to talk to him.
47. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are waiting for you outside. They want to talk to you.”

48. Jesus answered, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?”
49. Then he pointed to his followers and said, “See! These people are my mother and my brothers.
50. Yes, anyone who does what my Father in heaven wants is my true brother and sister and mother.”

The passage above clearly shows that Mary did not get preferential treatment for being His birth mother, as far as the Kingdom of God was concerned.

Asking her for favours as far as the Kingdom of God or Heaven amounts to idolatry. Prayer in her name amounts to idolatry. Followers of Jesus Christ aren't even supposed to pray in the name of any other, not even the Father, but in the name of Jesus Christ who is the New Covenant/agreement between God and man.
Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by Kobojunkie: 1:56am On Nov 01, 2020
As for those of you who believe there is a Queen in Heaven, here what God already said to the descendants of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac, who believed in that long before you came into the picture.

Jeremiah 44 vs 15-30 (ERV)
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15. There were many people from Judah living in southern Egypt. Many of the women from Judah were meeting together in a large group and making sacrifices to other gods, and their husbands knew what they were doing. Those men said to Jeremiah,
16. “We will not listen to the message from the Lord that you spoke to us.
17. We promised to make sacrifices to the Queen of Heaven, and we will do everything we promised. We will offer sacrifices and pour out drink offerings in worship to her. We did that in the past. Our ancestors, our kings, and our officials did that in the past. All of us did those things in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. When we worshiped the Queen of Heaven, we had plenty of food. We were successful. Nothing bad happened to us.
18. But then we stopped making sacrifices to the Queen of Heaven, and we stopped pouring out drink offerings to her. And we have had problems ever since we stopped worshiping her. Our people have been killed by war and hunger.”

19. Then the women spoke up[a] and said to Jeremiah, “Our husbands knew what we were doing. We had their permission to make sacrifices to the Queen of Heaven. We had their permission to pour out drink offerings to her. Our husbands also knew that we were making cakes that looked like her.”

20. Then Jeremiah spoke to all the men and women who told him these things.
21. He said, “The Lord remembered that you made sacrifices in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. You and your ancestors, your kings, your officials, and the people of the land did that. He remembered what you had done and thought about it.
22. The Lord hated the terrible things you did, and he could not be patient with you any longer. So he made your country an empty desert. No one lives there now. Other people say bad things about that country. [/b]
23. The reason all those bad things happened to you is that you made sacrifices to other gods. You sinned against the Lord. You didn’t obey him or follow his teachings or the laws he gave you. You didn’t keep your part of the agreement.”

24. Then Jeremiah spoke to all the men and women. He said, “All you people of Judah who are now in Egypt, listen to this message from the Lord.
25. This is what the Lord All-Powerful, the God of the people of Israel, says: ‘You women did what you said you would do. You said, “We will keep the promises we made. We promised to make sacrifices and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.” So go ahead. Do what you promised you would do. Keep your promises.’
26. But listen to this message from the Lord, all you people of Judah who are living in Egypt: ‘I, the Lord, use my own great name to make this promise: None of the people of Judah who are now living in Egypt will ever again use my name to make promises. They will never again say, “As surely as the Lord God lives ….”
27. I am watching over the people of Judah, but I am not watching over them to take care of them. I am watching over them to bring them harm. The people of Judah who live in Egypt will die from hunger or be killed in war until they are completely destroyed.
28. Some people of Judah will escape being killed by the sword. They will come back to Judah from Egypt. But only a few people of Judah will escape. Then the survivors of Judah who came to live in Egypt will know whose word proves to be true. They will know whether it was my word or their word that came true.
29. I will give you people proof,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will punish you here in Egypt. Then you will know for sure that my promises to harm you will really happen.
30. This will be your proof that I will do what I say.’ This is what the Lord says: ‘Pharaoh Hophra is the king of Egypt. His enemies want to kill him. I will give Pharaoh Hophra to his enemies. Just as I gave Zedekiah king of Judah to his enemy Nebuchadnezzar, in the same way I will give Pharaoh Hophra to his enemies.’”


If God would not spare His beloved people, what makes you think He will spare you for believing in the same tripe that He punished them for?
Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by BeLookingIDIOT(m): 2:20am On Nov 01, 2020
Catholics saying they only honour Mary Do you know the meaning of worship? What you do is clearly worshipping/idolatry.
For most of the non-catholics- hope you know you only got to emerge in the 16th century grin
These were the Christains existing for over a Millenia:
Something's obviously off about your faiths.

Re: Bowing Down To Images And The Worship Of The Queen Of Heaven by Kobojunkie: 8:39am On Nov 01, 2020
The worship of the dead remains... that one tire me pass!

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