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Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by SpecialAdviser(m): 9:49am On Oct 13
Iolo:


Based on my readings, yes it will reduce in a nutshell but mostly because ASUU has gotten its way and negotiated certain favorable terms IPPIS is no longer recognizing. In some instances, obtaining these terms makes no sense in the first instance, in other cases they are legitimate issues that I believe can be fixed on the platform as other agencies have been using it long before now.

1. A number of universities have bargained PAYE tax reliefs with their state governments. IPPIS deducts according to the accepted standard by law.

2. Some allowances being received by them are not captured by IPPIS.

3. IPPIS makes certain deductions like NHF, meaning take home pay is lower across board.

4. They won’t acknowledge this but some of them work multiple jobs with multiple salaries. IPPIS prevents this using BVN.

You’re caught up now.

Great insight. Thanks for the reply.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by Moikiitos: 9:50am On Oct 13
sinkhole:


https://tribuneonlineng.com/ippis-govt-cant-use-ASUU-platform-to-pay-us-varsity-workers/

I thought the important thing here is that you get paid. In an insane country like Nigeria is the opposite. Employer should detects the means of payment to his/her employees.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by 21cents: 9:54am On Oct 13
Rgade:

Only in Nigeria will the federal government withhold her worker's pay for several months.
Because the workers failed to enroll in a proposed System of pay. you have no rights to reject whatever means your employer chose to pay you. if you're not satisfied with your employer's dictations then you resign and go build your own empire where you can call the shots as you deem fit, simple.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by gbengaeed(m): 10:05am On Oct 13
ASUU, NASU & SSANU don't want to pay tax and all the other deduction and yet they want to be getting a proper pension when they retire. holding up to 5 lecturing job at the same time, how do they teach/lecture effectively and how do they relax? wonders will never cease
ImmaculateJOE:
If ASUU, NASU & SSANU cannot accept IPPIS then let the strike continue till eternity...

IPPIS is a smart way of paying salaries and it is actually good for tranpaeency governance. Every sensible person should endorse and support it..

But eh, Buhari is still a disaster oh.. In fact IPPIS was introduced around 2007 before them BMCs will start claiming nonsense...

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Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by s4short: 10:09am On Oct 13
amerengues:
Hmm

We argue to gain more enlightenment and if in the process, we encounter superior arguments, we should accept it.

You made a valid point by referring to the ghost workers issue- we don’t want ghost workers that sap our resources struggling to go round.

ASUU went on strike before pandemic thus it wasn’t in the midst of pandemic; It wasn’t because of IPPIS that they started the strike; This same government agreed at a time that they are willing to looking into the alternative ASUU will present which is UTAS since it accommodates most of the peculiarities IPPIS is devoid of

eg Adjunct lecturers (Hardly will you see any department/faculty with adjunct Lecturers from the industry). An engineering faculty with a course on Engineering law (just an illustration)may borrow lecturers. Also, those presently on IPPIS in other ministry have started complaining of the irregularities because I have a colleague who complained recently.

To rectify issues, you might need to travel to Abuja (Security, finance, stress, not meeting them on seat and telling you to come tomorrow), why hasn’t the Government decentralized this IPPIS. A friend has been advised to travel to Abuja recently.

We are quick to forget that this strike is premised on the follow up on previous agreement the government has successfully renegaded on without no commitment to do anything significant. IPPIS main issue came up when the stopped salary in which strike was on before the focus shifted to IPPIS.

Again, I ask, students have never supported revitalization and adequate funding and we are quick to condemn some persons who wants that. Government really fears the students’ protest but unfortunately they don’t protest for better education or support the struggle since we all want to quickly graduate. Those schools abroad get huge fundings for education. If you perceive that there is a misappropriation in university system, why not wade in and be in charge of fixing the infrastructure and revitalization fee and leave the school administrators out of the process- come and build and innovative rickety libraries.

Remember that anything Government is continuous and not only must you fulfill the promises but build on it. Again, this struggle was before so many of us are born, why are we still in this state. Please kindly do your research on how much Graduate assistants and Assistant lecturers earn.

Recently, they retain best students to lecture but after seeing how decayed the system is coupled will a paltry salary of 105k for some school lecturers, they accept offers from universities abroad and the system weakens further. Government only focuses on the propaganda of 10,000 lecturers as Prof whereas the bulk are in the very lower cadre who will print, publish articles, fix their offices with their money especially for those who could never sell handouts as a university rule. They are left with only meager salaries. I will stop here.


However, the challenge with ASUU is their penchant for shouldering all the requests needed for school revitalization. If ASUU focuses on the welfare of the members alone (which in hard fact, not possible though since university structures and infrastructure isn’t alien to ASUU’ operations), the strike won’t be incessant. If the students and parents don’t ask for better education, leave them to it. You can’t be fighting for people who don’t understand you.

If any ASUU member is found erring for misappropriation , prosecute them instantly but we forget that ASUU is academic and not always at the helm of affairs of most administrative activities of some universities and how some of it sef is being used are not even known to them. ASUU isn’t asking for increase in the poor salaries as highlighted. Till now no minimum wage has been paid.

All we want is a balanced view. So pathetic that this struggle has been on for ages. If only, if only they fix it once, Government would be able to brag one day.

You have made some valid points but does it not bother you that for the past 11years ASUU has been fighting for 1 thing using same method strike across different governments and it's obviously not working, strike used to be effective in the 80s and 90s and brought about ETF and some other things but in 2020 it is definitely not working, protests, the media and even lobbying are way more effective.

It's high time ASUU does a rethink as intellectuals and come up with a way to fight for their rights without inflicting more damage to the university system because currently the strikes are the biggest limitations to Nigerian universities that is why we are unable to attract foreign students and are constantly loosing our students to mushroom schools in Africa.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by loko50(m): 10:13am On Oct 13
ImmaculateJOE:
If ASUU, NASU & SSANU cannot accept IPPIS then let the strike continue till eternity...

IPPIS is a smart way of paying salaries and it is actually good for tranpaeency governance. Every sensible person should endorse and support it..

But eh, Buhari is still a disaster oh.. In fact IPPIS was introduced around 2007 before them BMCs will start claiming nonsense...

Are you the developer and manager of IPPIS?
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by amerengues(m): 10:20am On Oct 13
You aren’t wrong either. That’s why I made a statement. I stand to be corrected, how many times, if any, have Nigerian students and Parents stand up for better education in this country? Check BBN street campaign and EndSars campaign, you will see that we have the power to effect a change. Unfortunately, they haven’t thought in this direction. The only blame ASUU should take is not carrying the stakeholders along eg Students and parents.

The day students open their mouth, the day education will be given another chance but we all want to graduate on time yet our dear sisters and brothers will meet the decay. Again, you aren’t far from the truth.

s4short:


You have made some valid points but does it not bother you that for the past 11years ASUU has been fighting for 1 thing using same method strike across different governments and it's obviously not working, strike used to be effective in the 80s and 90s and brought about ETF and some other things but in 2020 it is definitely not working, protests, the media and even lobbying are way more effective.

It's high time ASUU does a rethink as intellectuals and come up with a way to fight for their rights without inflicting more damage to the university system because currently the strikes are the biggest limitations to Nigerian universities that is why we are unable to attract foreign students and are constantly loosing our students to mushroom schools in Africa.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by ABANGWABOI(m): 10:32am On Oct 13
#ILMOVON cry cry
#Attitude
#Bliv

Y'all can go Bleep your selves.. both the ASUU, NASU and FG..
Bunch of Clowns..
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by Omezif(m): 10:36am On Oct 13
IPPIS Solution may work for them but can't be sure if it could work for federal government.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by Miracle2020: 10:37am On Oct 13
Buhari is too soft for my liking. Fire those idiots that refused to join IPPIS and recruite more graduates. These thieves called ASSU don't care about the students, they only want to continue collecting their corrupt money.
Walahi I wish iam the president, these crooks for know the difference between 5 and 6.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by laidima88(m): 10:44am On Oct 13
it's time to end ASUU, can't these people think of any reasonable way of getting their needs except through strike. this is injustice to we students.
it's time we stop this age long tradition
#EndASUU
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by SeniorGee(m): 10:54am On Oct 13
See criminals... Telling your employer how to pay you?? Didn't they receive and sign employment letter??
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by Abujaexpress: 10:59am On Oct 13
Even the Federal Government is playing with the Unions with kidsglove. Let FG gives ASUU and it's likes TomTom to chew- it can sponsor and organise a massive uprising amongst themselves and protest against them and see what will happen.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by mignone(f): 10:59am On Oct 13
TecM0:
cool



Can you just imagine?!

After #EndSARS we need #EndASUU

In a Country with multiple digit unemployment rate, a Lecturer openly wants to continue holding employments in 2,3,4 or 5 University with full pay, teaching few hours per week, multiplying wage bill

Nigerian Armed Forces are on IPPIS and they have allowance captured, lecturers on sabbaticals and visiting lecturers can have allowance captured by IPPIS instead of getting new salary

.
THANK YOU!
many people supporting them are ignorant of this.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by ejibaba(m): 11:02am On Oct 13
SpecialAdviser:
Is it that the amount to be paid will reduce??

What exactly is the quarrel with the platform??

Somebody educate me.

First, the IPPIS platform doesn't capture the allowances of the non-academic staff. Like for the technologists, hazard allowance, and earned allowance for others.

The accountant general said the agreed payment of this allowances with the unions was not documented with salary and wages commission and they will not pay until that is done. Well, the union showed agreement signed, AG refused. So this is a tactical approach to reduce their salary and reneged on the agreement of 2009.

Next, academics rejected the platform on the following reasons:
1. It is against the university autonomy act, which places the issue of renumeration on the university council not a central body because it was formerly with NUC. This is international standard. Also, they said no more visiting lecturers or sabbaticals, and external supervisors allowance. That institutions should use their IGR to make those payments invariably they are pushing for raise in school fees & sundry expenses. For example, imagine being asked to pay 200k to invite external supervisor to come evaluate undergraduate project, 500k for masters and 1m for PhD because they must do that before one graduates.

2. The payment platform doesn't allow for a convenient tax system that academics enjoy previously rather tax is on gross pay.

3. The payment system makes it difficult for the university to handle payment for timely research activities, as it will be required for them to prepare memos that will have to first go to accountant general office for approvals before payment can be made. So exchange programs suffers timely response from the university.

4. The payment system is faulted with several shortcomings such as underpayment, overpayment,over deductions etc.

5. The payment system support corruption as names are being added in Abuja to universities payroll without any documentation in the university.

There's more but I will stop here!!! However, there are more to this issues also beyond just the payment system.

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Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by ejibaba(m): 11:07am On Oct 13
Miracle2020:
Buhari is too soft for my liking. Fire those idiots that refused to join IPPIS and recruite more graduates. These thieves called ASSU don't care about the students, they only want to continue collecting their corrupt money.
Walahi I wish iam the president, these crooks for know the difference between 5 and 6.

That's why you will never be president.

IBB tried it during the military regime but failed after advertising for the positions and nobody answered him.

Anyway, don't worry you will learn soon
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by Naughtysite: 11:09am On Oct 13
21cents:
LOL. funny. only in Nigeria will a federal government worker be dictating how he wants to be paid to the government.

You can imagine.

Employee dictating to employer.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by Motion123(m): 11:11am On Oct 13
TecM0:
cool



Can you just imagine?!

After #EndSARS we need #EndASUU

In a Country with multiple digit unemployment rate, a Lecturer openly wants to continue holding employments in 2,3,4 or 5 University with full pay, teaching few hours per week, multiplying wage bill

Nigerian Armed Forces are on IPPIS and they have allowance captured, lecturers on sabbaticals and visiting lecturers can have allowance captured by IPPIS instead of getting new salary

.


My thoughts exactly, but they all need to seat down and design a platform that covers all the lapses
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by zicoy6k: 11:15am On Oct 13
pegix:
Hmm.....if not for Nigeria
Can any worker/lecturer in usa decide for Trump administration how to be paid grin
Only if he's ready to lose his salary and job be dat

Like Jon Snow, you know nothing. Do you know how much lecturers are paid in the US public universities and the system by which they are paid? Do you know how many graduate students receive stipends from the universities? Do you know how flexible their whole educational system is? You can't even dare to compare. But believe it or not, IPPIS will not get us closer buy only take us farther.

ASUU struggles didn't just start. They stood their ground even against military dictatorship; salaries had been withheld for up to 6 months before, it's not new. It's sad that students and parents don't want to join in the fight against government's neglect of education. I really wish ASUU can just fight for only salary increase and leave the government to do whatever they want with infrastructure. Maybe when public universities are like what public primary and secondary schools are today, everybody eye go clear.


BTW, this post is about SANU and SSANU, why is everyone talking about ASUU?

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Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by Naughtysite: 11:18am On Oct 13
jericco1:
This is an insult to the FG.
Imagine workers dictating to their employers how they want to be renumerated undecided

Remunerated.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by Naughtysite: 11:20am On Oct 13
Seunaj05:
As for the undergraduates at home, go and learn work. Buhari will NOT back down neither will ASUU

like barbing and poultry.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by Naughtysite: 11:21am On Oct 13
Sonnobax15:
grin. make una no worry.....FG no go only use am tay pay una but also use am tay shock una....
I've never seen people as selfish and greedy as these bunch of old incompetent men working under this platform of ASUU.

They are holding the whole country to ransom not just FG.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by zicoy6k: 11:23am On Oct 13
brexit:
All these are show of foolishness, have we seen on earth where an employee is telling the employer the platform with which he will be paid




These Unions and their members lack ordinary common sense

It's not really about how one is being paid. If the means of payment affects staff welfare negatively, they have every right to protest. Also, university staff are not the only ones against the platform.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by bluefilm: 11:24am On Oct 13
21cents:
LOL. funny. only in Nigeria will a federal government worker be dictating how he wants to be paid to the government.

I taya
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by Naughtysite: 11:27am On Oct 13
Ebenezar2021:
[s][/s] you this useless ASUU asslicker, you better tell your people to open up schools and get their lazy asses back to work before we students turn violent and wreck your homes and destroy your lives and properties

NANS and all the SUGs of federal universities should start an #EndASUU campaign.

All university workers should report directly to FG like employees of banks and companies do.

Any unreasonable stranglehold that is stopping Nigeria from moving forward should be broken.
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by zicoy6k: 11:32am On Oct 13
Ebenezar2021:
[s][/s] you this useless ASUU asslicker, you better tell your people to open up schools and get their lazy asses back to work before we students turn violent and wreck your homes and destroy your lives and properties

Well, I think students should protest but not violently as you think and please try to learn more about the struggles of ASUU to avoid repeated ignorant talk.

BTW, are you sure you are a student judging by the way you talk?
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by CalebLebsco56(m): 11:36am On Oct 13
I support the IPPIS most of these lecturers dont even work, they are greedy...come to lecture you wont see them..visiting other university...i have a lecturer during my undergraduate days, he just come and finish his syllabus just 1week..before we know him don japa...before we see him its only Exams time...he will just give us handouts.....i support it, if its the proper way to pay them...ASUU case is even worst fighting always for their interest..but they will come to lecture and tell us is for our own goooooood
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by GIFTD: 11:46am On Oct 13
samuelpeters:
So NASU and SSANU wn design their own payment pla5tform. grin

Make all agencies kuku design their own.
Before you know now NMA and JOHESU go go their own strike because of IPPIS.

I think ASUU should tweak their UTAS to accommodate NASU and SSANU( these ones should better cooperate with ASUU, because if ASUU call off strike na OYO dm de).
So that if FG accepts the UTAS it would benefit every staff in the university system.
Initially the IPPS faces such problems but with time those errors will be corrected and payment becomes smoth
Re: IPPIS: Government Can’t Use ASUU Platform To Pay Us — University Workers by Eaglefine(f): 11:52am On Oct 13
Confused set of people.
So, all of you cannot make use of or accept one payment platform?
Keep delaying me. I don't blame you people at all

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