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|Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by kppo(m): 2:36pm On Oct 17|
Job 1:6 KJV Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
1. Jesus Christ the Messiah [with a message]
2. The Antichrist
3. The Conquering "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS"
4. "Alpha and Omega"
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 3:16pm On Oct 17|
kppo:The sons of God in Job 1:6, that came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them, were human beings, just as Job was (i.e. greatest of the whole and all sons from the east, long ago or formerly - Job 1:3) Period.
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by Dtruthspeaker: 5:03pm On Oct 17|
Humans/Job was among them? The Bible wey you dey read dey pull go one side. e need alignment and wheel balancing
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by Dtruthspeaker: 5:04pm On Oct 17|
Bros, Life no dey here to collect!
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 5:48pm On Oct 17|
Dtruthspeaker:What crooked stick(s) have you got in your hand(s) to lay on the ground, that erroneously says or communicates that it wasn't humans/Job that was among them, the sons of God in Job 1:6 who came to present themselves before God, and Satan also came with them, hmm?
When we are done with doing an exegete and hermeneutics of Job 1:6 and not your eisegesis on top of bad theology, then we'll find out who really needs alignment and wheel balancing because they couldn't bother brushing up with their Bible, hence giving room to truth decay
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by Dtruthspeaker: 6:13pm On Oct 17|
Mr. exegete, with respect eh, the correct procedure is for you to prove your assertion which I challenge and not for me to prove the basis of my rebuttal.
Let me give you free Law!
"He who asserts must Prove!"
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 6:29pm On Oct 17|
Dtruthspeaker:You know the drill. You're not my "customer mi, daada ni" for nothing. I have nothing to prove or have need to forcibly do anything. Watch my lips, for every crooked stick you put on the ground, I'll equally lay a straight stick along side it on the floor. That is all thats necessary for me to do. You can go for kicking at my foot, instead at the ball, call me Mr Exegete until the cows return home and your face turns blue for all you like.
Look at you getting frightened at the prospect of being subjected to a systematic peer review of why you erroneously say and communicate that it wasn't humans/Job that was among them, the sons of God in Job 1:6 who came to present themselves before God, and Satan also came with them. Why hmm, is something that ought to be easy, simple, fun, piece of cake for you to do, be making you get uncomfortable and apprehensive, if you stick your head out and show your hands, lmso, erhn?
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:01pm On Oct 17|
You need to read up friend
The son of God are the seventy children of Asherah. They form the second tiers of the council/assembly of the divines. The supreme leader of the pantheon is El....
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 7:24pm On Oct 17|
FOLYKAZE:I dont have to tell you that reading up is my pastime.
FOLYKAZE:"1Manasseh was twelve years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem fifty-five years. His mother’s name was Hephzibah.
2And he did evil in the sight of the LORD by following the abominations of the nations that the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
3For he rebuilt the high places that his father Hezekiah had destroyed, and he raised up altars for Baal. He made an Asherah pole, as King Ahab of Israel had done, and he worshiped and served all the host of heaven.
4Manasseh also built altars in the house of the LORD, of which the LORD had said, “In Jerusalem I will put My Name.”
5In both courtyards of the house of the LORD, he built altars to all the host of heaven.
6He sacrificed his own son in the fire, practiced sorcery and divination, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did great evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him to anger.
7Manasseh even took the carved Asherah pole he had made and set it up in the temple, of which the LORD had said to David and his son Solomon, “In this temple and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, I will establish My Name forever.
8I will never again cause the feet of the Israelites to wander from the land that I gave to their fathers, if only they are careful to do all I have commanded them— the whole Law that My servant Moses commanded them.”
9But the people did not listen and Manasseh led them astray, so that they did greater evil than the nations that the LORD had destroyed before the Israelites.
- 2 Kings 21:1-9
You always like telling me things I already know. Why not try telling me something I dont already know or try show me how to suck eggs, erhn, lmso, hmm?
I hope you know what in Genesis 12:1, happened to Abram later to be called Abraham, lmso. You see Manasseh in 2 Kings 21:1-9 was one of the many, turning back the hand of the clock and times with doing a Proverbs 26:11's "As when a dog goes to his own vomit, and becomes abominable, so is fool who returns in his wickedness to his own sin" and/or even also doing the 2 Peter 2:22's "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud"
PS: You interjected while I was responding to another comment you made on another post. I am, I think 80-90% done finished writing up, so watch out for notification of it, lmso
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by Prettygirl27: 7:44pm On Oct 17|
Actually, he is correct.
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:43pm On Oct 17|
For an umpteen time, you need to read up sir.
But if you insist you have already know and do not reading more, could you explain when and where Yahweh inherited Israel from according to Psalm 78:71?
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 9:10pm On Oct 17|
FOLYKAZE:Smh sighing yawn.
FOLYKAZE:Are you sure you are able to back up this reckless and careless statement purporting I insisted to "... have already know and do not reading more" sic. Why are people your sort so fond of fabricating things up, and taking needless pot shots at friendly interlocutors, lmso, huh?
FOLYKAZE:Are you familiar with the phrase "protoevangelium", hmm? God needed a human body in order to fulfil the "protoevangelium"
If you really want it explained to you when and where Yahweh inherited Israel from according to Psalm 78:71, then I simply will let you know that it all got hatched in the Garden of Eden, then at the appointment time, Abram was approached, then from Jacob aka Israel, a man, to Israel, the nation, was birthed. It is from this God’s own people, Israel, that the seed of Abram/Abraham will be a saving grace, redemption, salvation reconciliation blessing of the whole wide world back to God. Praise God. Alleluia.
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by Janosky: 9:35pm On Oct 17|
You for kukuma say na you & Job follow the same aircraft go meeting of sons of God @ Job1:6
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 9:51pm On Oct 17|
Look what's the cat dragged in!
One of my other "customer mi, daada ni"
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by kkins25(m): 7:22am On Oct 18|
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 7:34am On Oct 18|
Look another what's the cat dragged in!
One more of my other "customer mi, daada ni" lmso
Form a row, so I can knock you and make you fall over each other, lmso
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:29am On Oct 18|
I told you to read and gave you area of concentration. Your response is that I am telling you what you already know... Shebi na because say you no won read?
Oga go and read.... Na opata you dey yarn around
Oga, I asked you to explain how, when and from whom Yahweh inherited Israel from according to Psalm 78:71. Nothing concern me with protoevangelium.
If Yahweh is the ultimate owner of the whole world land and populace, how come he Inherited Israel? Why should Israel be apportioned to him in Deut 32:8-9?
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by Dtruthspeaker: 8:45am On Oct 18|
Please Pretty, show me because I did not see that.
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 8:55am On Oct 18|
FOLYKAZE:Did you practice at all what you preach? Do you walk your talk? I doubt you do either, because if you did do, you would be repeating I should explained, what I already have explained in my response back to you, but of course you didnt red or didnt read well enough what I typed, so the reason why you repeat yourself.
Now fyi, Psalms 24:1 states that: "The earth and everything on it, including its people, belong to the LORD. The world and its people belong to Him" and when God, in Exodus 33:19, says: "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion", then now, give me a reason why should Israel not be possessed and/or owned by God? Pfft. Smh sigh.
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 8:58am On Oct 18|
Dtruthspeaker:Prettygirl27, dont waste your breath on him because as for this particular modern day Pharisee "Far-I-See," the more he looks, the less he sees, lmso. His kind are, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding, lmso.
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:07am On Oct 18|
Oga I am repeating myself, for your own good abeg go and read. There are more than one sources of the scripture. One from the Elohist and the other from Yahwist. This is the reason we have contradictory creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2. You don't pick one source and trash the other.
Majority of the hymn in Psalm are from the Elohist sources, having reflection of ugarit text and tales from ancient canaan documents. A critical example is Psalm 82. Go figure.
Therefore sir, if you've read extensively, maybe you have taken your time to compare and contrast the ugarit text, you would find that Psalm 24:1 you cited up there was referring to El or Elyon, the father of Yahweh, who gave out his possession to his children, Chemosh, Baal, Yahweh, Molek etc.
Again sir, go and read. But if you insist you already know and do not want to read, explain the transfer of ownership, through inheritance, of the land and people of Israel. How could they the authentic owner of something turn out inheriting it.
I gave you a clue in Duet 32:8-9
When the Most High (‘elyôn) gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated humanity, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of divine beings. For Yahweh’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage.
Elyon was the rightful owner. He gave Israel to Yahweh.... Because yahweh is the son of El... Not so?
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by Dtruthspeaker: 10:06am On Oct 18|
Says the man who is Always Adding to the Bible, what is not there!
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 10:10am On Oct 18|
FOLYKAZE:Ọgbẹni, there is no contradiction in the bible, and there are no contradictory creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2. What you misinterpret as "contradictory creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2" is a bird eyes view bare bones account and a flesh out account providing more information about creation, completing the narration by adding details, that's all.
You advisedly need to seriously clear the cobwebs from your head.
El or Elyon is not a father of any Yahweh. and fyi, Elyon means ''Most High'' with El Elyon means ''God Most High'' while YHWH, vocalised or articulated as Yahweh, is a descriptor word about God, that means ''I AM'', aka ''I AM, I AM'', aka ''I AM THAT I AM'', aka ''I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL BE'', aka ''I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE'' et cetera
When I asked you to tell me who or what you are, I was expecting you to replying with something in the line of: "I am FOLYKAZE" "I am married with two lovely kids" "I am a hardworking honest specimen of a male human being" "I am known not to be lazy nor shy from earning a decent good day's work" et cetera
The descriptor "I AM" is very powerful in revealing who and what you are. You obviously and no doubt behave in accordance to what and who "I AM" you are lmso.
I want to believe that we both agree and accept that Elyon isnt a title exclusively used for God aka YHWH or Yahweh, as the term, is equally used for El or Baal by the Canaanites.
I hope you agree and accept too, that its true Melchizedek didnt know and never acknowledged he is a priest of God aka YHWH or Yahweh, that all Melchizedek knew was that he is a priest of El Elyon (i.e. a priest of God, the Most High) Melchizedek identifies with the one and truly El Elyon, whose has the descriptor Yahweh, and its meaning to be what He wants to be well known and famed for but doesn't know
and he so unable to recognise El Elyon's descriptor Yahweh designate as being good or important enough for him to mention when he was blessing Abraham. All this bit juncture information might be unfamiliar to you, and already prolly flown past over your head, so I'll just pause here, so we both catch a breather, lmso
The only begotten Son, God has is Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ and not any of your mythical gods mentioned in the likes of deities of Chemosh, Baal, et cetera.
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 10:26am On Oct 18|
Dtruthspeaker:"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.
(i.e. God is praised for being mysterious; rulers are praised for explaining mysteries.
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to investigate a matter.)"
- Proverbs 25:2
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth
(i.e. Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman who accurately handles the word of truth)"
- 2 Timothy 2:15
You wouldnt know what is there in the bible, when your only preoccupation is busy (i.e. being under satan's yoke) plucking only easiest to reach extremely low hanging fruits! You're a disgrace to the body of Christ because of the disservice you do to it, from not thoroughly and rightly handling the word of truth.
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:17pm On Oct 18|
KTU 1.1 IV 14 says:
sm . bny . yw . ilt
The name of the son of god, Yahweh.
Compare with Deuteronomy 32:8-9
The unrevised text would have read thus:
בְּהַנְחֵל עֶלְיוֹן גּוֹיִם בְּהַפְרִידֹו בְּנֵי אָדָם
יַצֵּב גְּבֻלֹת עַמִּים לְמִסְפַּר בְּנֵי שֹׁר־אֵל
וַיְהִי חֵלֶק יהוה עַמֹּו יַעֲקֹב חֶבֶל נַחֲלָתֹו
When Elyon gave the nations an inheritance,
when he divided humankind,
he set the bounds of the peoples
according to the number of Bull El’s children,
and Yahweh’s portion was his people,
Jacob, the lot of his inheritance.
Note that most revised versions rendered Bull El"s children as Elyon children, Most High children, sons of God, children of the divine, child of Adam etc.
Now, who is Bull El? It is the same El, father of Yahweh. Remember the children of Israel worship the a golden calf when moses returned from the Mount when he went to get the stone tablet. That golden calf is the symbol of El.
Away from that,
Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength.
Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh
I repeat yet again, please go and read.
I AM has no relationship with Yahweh.
I AM THAT I AM or Ehyeh aser ehyeh, has not found favour among scholars and has been viewed as a late theological gloss invented after the true meaning of Yahweh's had been lost.
Yahweh is not same thing with I AM. Try another twist.
What are you saying?
Yahweh and El are two different deities. What is hard for you to grab here?
Did I tell you Chemosh is the son of Yahweh?
You should tell us, since you claimed you know, where and from whom Yahweh inherited Israel from if he was the original owner.
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 3:15pm On Oct 18|
FOLYKAZE:Ọgbẹni, are you having a laugh with the above screenshot ni? Mtcheew
FOLYKAZE:Let me repeat yet again, please don't ask me to go and read, what I have a long time ago read about. Do a search using the search strings "Ugarit and Cyrus Cylinder" with my ID to read on some of my submissions going way back three years ago at least
FOLYKAZE:Where and/or when did I say, YHWH aka Yahweh is the same thing with I AM, hmm?
Now the questions you should seriously be asking yourself answers for are:
1/ Why is the true meaning of YHWH aka Yahweh unknown or why in the first/last place, lmso, is the meaning lost?
2/ Why did God not tell Moshe aka Moses to tell the Israelites that it was YHWH aka Yahweh who sent him to them to have them delivered from enslavement.
3/ Which of the word, YHWH aka Yahweh and I AM, has demonstrated profound intense effect, that is/are biblically verse quoted proven
FOLYKAZE:What I said, which I suspected you wouldnt get, is that YHWH aka Yahweh and El Elyon are the same and one only Being
FOLYKAZE:You're correct to say in idolatry Semitic mythology, that Yahweh and El are two different deities, but from biblical knowledge, tradition and wisdom YHWH aka Yahweh and El Elyon is One and the same Supreme Being Deity
FOLYKAZE:You were telling me a shed load of codswallop, that El or Elyon, is the father of Yahweh, who gave out his possession to his children, Chemosh, Baal, Yahweh, etc, so obviously I stepped over your pulled right out of a confused dot com regurgitate, to rightly inform you that the only begotten Son, that God has, is Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ and not any of your mythical gods mentioned in the likes of deities of Chemosh, Baal, et cetera. Now tell me what in all that did you not easily understand, hmm?
FOLYKAZE:I volunteered "protoevangelium", as an explanation that stems from the beginning, but what did I get back in return for the gesture?, A literal throwback smack right back in my face. No problemo.
Let's try with another angle and approach then. Are you familiar with the promise God made to Abraham about from his seed will all nations of the earth be blessed, hmm? Seven different ocasssion are the number of times God reiterated His promise to Abraham, with the theme being: "I will bless you and make your descendants into a great nation. You will become famous and be a blessing to others"
Fyi, YHWH aka Yahweh and/or El Elyon, inherited Israel following a prolonged and arduous process. lmso.
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:01pm On Oct 18|
You still don't see the contradictions in the picture? Then I may not be able to help you
I read the discussion between you, sarassin and pastoraio. But your post then and now exposes that you have not picked, let alone look into the ugarit texts. Therefore I can always direct you to go and read it.
Was it really forgotten? How come we remember the name now? Or is it simply an invention, like you posited on the other thread, that Jehovah is simply an invention?
Moses told Pharaohs Yahweh sent him. The "I AM" in Exodus is simply theological gloss invention.
Is that how you read Dueteronomy 32:8-9? That Elyon inherited Israel.... Can you tell us from whom?
Inherited from who?
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by MuttleyLaff: 6:18pm On Oct 18|
FOLYKAZE:Quit hiding behind the "You still don't see the contradictions in the picture? Then I may not be able to help you" bs camouflage. I had already explained to you that one was a bird eye view account and the other was was a fleshed account. Were you told that there was a convention of normal chronology followed in especially the second accounts ni? I dont think you'll say there was. Quit taking the Bible to be a comprehensive history book,
FOLYKAZE:You're worsening by the minute, with all this your desperation and extreme behaviour to spread lies that I havent read the Ugarit text, even when you read me to have typed the following in 2017:
"The phonetic similarity between the name Yahweh and Yw, which occurs only in a single text (i.e. KTU 1.1 IV 14) ends right there
Yahweh is Yahweh and is not synonymous with Yw or Yawu
Yahweh is El, ''the self-existing all-powerful authority influence'' - God"
FOLYKAZE:What's going on here? What is your problem really gangan sef, hmm?
Where did you read anyone on this thread typed about anything being forgotten, huh?
FOLYKAZE:You must have just learnt the phrase "theological gloss invention" as so the reason, you cant wait to at the drop of a hat start haphazardly using it. Dont worry you'll soon wear it out from overuse, lmso
FOLYKAZE:1/ Do you recognise whose is the immediate above quotation?
2/ Do you recognise who with the emboldened, it was introduced "inheritance"?
3/ Do you recognise who is mixing God up, with the mythology deities Yw, aka Yahweh or Yawu and El, hmm?
4/ Do you remember the following below quote, that I had you cc'ed on, hmm?
"The Igbos, and the Yorubas, just as like the Men of Athens, inadvertently, just and unknowingly could, in their general consensus in the existence of a single creator, lol, be worshipping the true God (i.e. Acts 17:23-31)
Now, the thing is, God wants, us having a relationship with Him, and not having a relationshit with god(s) You cannot practice consulting the dead, practice ancestor worship or practice spiritism and be a follower of the one and only true God (i.e. Deuteronomy 18:10-13)"
5/ Still on the mention and matter of the "People/Men of Athens" touched from #4 above, please go study up on Acts 17:26's "From one man He created all the nations throughout the whole earth. He decided beforehand when they should rise and fall, and He determined their boundaries" in order for you to grasp the message in Deuteronomy 32:8-9
FOLYKAZE:"8Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
9“All this I will give You, he said, “if You will fall down and worship me."
- Matthew 4:8-9
"3And the devil said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.”
4And Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE.’”
5And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6And the devil said to Him,
“I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish."
- Luke 4:3-6
With the above two scripture passages, is as far as I can lead and shine a light for you getting to see the answer(s) to your question, lmso. Its at this juncture, you're on your own to go figure the rest by yourself, lmso
|Re: Theory Of The 'sons Of God' by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:42am On Oct 19|
You now call the Jahwist and Elohist sources drone and fleshed accounts? One thing is that you are admitting there are inaccuracies, inconsistencies, discrepancies, and contextual errors which disallowed the two sources from agreeing on same cast, play content, and theme.
Right there, I wasn't saying the bible is an history book, but it attempted conveying an event, giving account into historical matters, but in so doing, give double contradicting accounts. The first chapter of genesis is writing by the Elohist, while the second chapter is writing by Yahwist.
This is why I deduced from your previous post that you haven't read enough, and now also, you still need to read more.
Don't you know yhwh known as yahweh is also called yw as in Yaw/yah from hallelujah? There is a psalm that pointed outrightly that his name is JAH from jw/yw. Yawu is simply a pronunciation of ywhw.... Abeg bros go read.
Oga go service your medulla
These are your words
Why is the true meaning of YHWH aka Yahweh unknown or why in the first/last place, lmso, is the meaning lost?
Unknown and lost is same with forgotten.
The I AM is simply a theological gloss invention. Moses didn't use that as a name anywhere. He simply tell Israelites and Pharaoh that Yahweh sent him. The I AM THAT I AM is simply fraud.
Can you start showing sign of coherency sir? I ain't here for joke.
Hahahaha. Egbon you just shot yourself in the foot. Like really?
10. He found him in a desert land
And in the wasteland, a howling wilderness;
He encircled him, He instructed him,
He kept him as the [a]apple of His eye.
11. As an eagle stirs up its nest,
Hovers over its young,
Spreading out its wings, taking them up,
Carrying them on its wings,
12. So the Lord alone led him,
And there was no foreign god with him.
From following the ewes that had young He brought him, To shepherd Jacob His people, And Israel His inheritance.
Those two verses tell us that Yahweh inherited Israel from whomever, nurtured Israel like a sheep, without any interference from foreign Gods. But here Mr Muttley is telling us Devil aka Satan is the owner of the kingdom of Israel, justifying his own side with another fabulous tale in the new testament.
Do tell us sir.
1. Is Satan/Devil same character as Yahweh. After all they share traits.
2. When did Satan/Devil took possession of Israel from Yahweh?
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