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Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 8:35pm On Apr 12, 2011
Following a discussion I had with a few members of this site, we have decided to start a brand new African organisation.  Okay, I know what you are thinking – not another one of those! No its not this is NEW! Because we are in a new age at a new time.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT   portesting and winging
THIS IS NOT ABOUT   All blacks unite and it will be alright – we are not all the same!!!!
THIS IS NOT ABOUT   POLITICS
THIS IS NOT ABOUT   partying and posing
THIS IS NOT ABOUT   using big grammar to prove we have a degree

THIS IS ABOUT

letting our hard work from an African perspective generate its own steam inorder to uplift the image and spirit of Africa.

WHAT CAN WE DO?

# We can develop our cultures – starting from Nigeria (I presume most of us are Nigerian)
#  Teach one another
#  Re-orientate our eurocentric education towards an African centered education
#  Pool our skills and expertise together to solve African problems on a micro and macro level
    - the solution to an Igbo problem will not be the same as the solution to an Hausa problem
#  carry out independent research
#  create, discover and develop communication amonst our different ethnic groups.
#  Communicate in our languages
#  Tackle social problems that hinder the family unit – weak families lead to weak leaders.
#  Use these activities to brainstorm and develop African products (fund it ourselves or raise capital)
- This will lead to the creation of jobs and self sufficient living.
#  Any other ideas?

WHAT NEXT?

This belongs to all of us, it will not be easy and we will see the results in 5 to 10 years if we work hard.  We cannot afford to expect easy, quick results we have to work for it together!
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 8:48pm On Apr 12, 2011
[size=18pt] Yes we can! [/size]
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by cdoffx(m): 8:50pm On Apr 12, 2011
Definitely you know i'm in
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 9:24pm On Apr 12, 2011
cdoffx:

Definitely you know i'm in

Kedu kà ímèrè? grin grin grin Ekaabo! grin grin grin grin Salam a lekun! grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by cap28: 10:00pm On Apr 12, 2011
this sounds very interesting i will definitely want to be a part of it - thanks for posting
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 10:03pm On Apr 12, 2011
cap28:

this sounds very interesting i will definitely want to be a part of it - thanks for posting

I await your mail my brother wink
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by cap28: 10:10pm On Apr 12, 2011
^^^^
no problem
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by PhysicsMHD(m): 10:17pm On Apr 12, 2011
To actually rebrand the image of Africa would be to change the way history is taught. You can't change the image of Africa to a more positive one when people are constantly still portraying pre-colonial Africa as the "Heart of Darkness" and as a place which had no civilzations south of the Sahara Desert. It's an uphill battle against 300 years of distortion. Good luck with your organization, but you or your organization would need to put out a major work and do years of research to highlight the different cultures and achievements of African societies and synthesize them all in one impactful book. Most of the information that shows that pre-colonial Africa was not the uncreative wasteland and uncultivated jungle it was made out to be is in too many disparate sources and I haven't seen any real good book that goes into detail about all of them. Anyway, like I said, good luck.
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by cdoffx(m): 11:03pm On Apr 12, 2011
PhysicsMHD:

To actually rebrand the image of Africa would be to change the way history is taught. You can't change the image of Africa to a more positive one when people are constantly still portraying pre-colonial Africa as the "Heart of Darkness" and as a place which had no civilzations south of the Sahara Desert. It's an uphill battle against 300 years of distortion. Good luck with your organization, but you oryour organization would need to put out a major work and do years of research to highlight the different cultures and achievements of African societies and synthesize them all in one impactful book. Most of the information that shows that pre-colonial Africa was not the uncreative wasteland and uncultivated jungle it was made out to be is in too many disparate sources and I haven't seen any real good book that goes into detail about all of them. Anyway, like I said, good luck.


thanks for your advice good luck to you too.
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 11:17pm On Apr 12, 2011
PhysicsMHD:

To actually rebrand the image of Africa would be to change the way history is taught. You can't change the image of Africa to a more positive one when people are constantly still portraying pre-colonial Africa as the "Heart of Darkness" and as a place which had no civilzations south of the Sahara Desert. It's an uphill battle against 300 years of distortion.

I appreciate your comments because constructive criticism will help us to plan things better, but with all due respect it shows you have not read my post properly.  That is why i said this is NEW! We cannot be concerned with what others think in the short and meduim term, what matters is the truth.  for example, when I was a child China was portrayed as a hopeless third world country; in those days most goods were manufactured in Europe, but during that time the Chinese were developing!!!!! Now look at where they are;  this is not about dreaming, its about putting our heads down and completing, small manageable projects with discipline.

Secondly, I have no intentions of trying to RE-WRITE history! - what gave you that idea? we just have to accept the past and move forward, forget past glories we need to focus on the NOW. Its about building on our individual cultures, we can't throw them in the bin? The distortion has been for more than 500 years not 380 like you said so i am very, very aware of the task ahead - it has not been under-estimated.  wink smiley wink smiley

PhysicsMHD:

Good luck with your organization, but you oryour organization would need to put out a major work and do years of research to highlight the different cultures and achievements of African societies and synthesize them all in one impactful book.

Thanks for the encouragement and that also a good idea, that synergy is the key you are right only then can we move forward.


PhysicsMHD:

Most of the information that shows that pre-colonial Africa was not the uncreative wasteland and uncultivated jungle it was made out to be is in too many disparate sources and I haven't seen any real good book that goes into detail about all of them. Anyway, like I said, good luck.

True, its a real problem but we have to be realistic and accept that the west shape ideas and minds through the media there nothing we can do in the short run, but as the saying goes "you can't keep a good man down" wink wink wink
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by pleep(m): 12:01am On Apr 13, 2011
You can't change the image of Africa to a more positive one when people are constantly still portraying pre-colonial Africa as the "Heart of Darkness" and as a place which had no civilzations south of the Sahara Desert. It's an uphill battle against 300 years of distortion.

To get anything done we need Money and power, lots of it. All it would take would be for a real patriot to get into a high office( like govorner of a sate) and overhaul the entire system. He could issue new texbooks and create a more socialistic form of government in his state. But for bribes and an election money talks.
We all want to make a difference in africa, i think getting as rich as possible, then zeroing in on nigeria's problems is the most viable way.
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by pleep(m): 12:04am On Apr 13, 2011
ill join smiley
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 12:39am On Apr 13, 2011
pleep:


To get anything done we need Money and power, lots of it. All it would take would be for a real patriot to get into a high office( like govorner of a sate) and overhaul the entire system. He could issue new texbooks and create a more socialistic form of government in his state. But for bribes and an election money talks.
We all want to make a difference in africa, i think getting as rich as possible, then zeroing in on nigeria's problems is the most viable way.


Thats right we need social entrepreneurs who can come u with innovative, African-centered solutions to solve Africa's social problems, money talks and Baboons walk grin cheesy wink smiley
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 11:31am On Apr 13, 2011
[size=13pt]Africa needs more tech incubators but more importantly…more technically sound entrepreneurs[/size]


Late last month, Google launched a pilot startup incubator in Cape Town, South Africa called Umbono. Umbono (which is the Zulu word for “vision” or “idea”) aims to help African entrepreneurs transform their startup ideas into businesses by providing ,  http://thenextweb.com/africa/2011/04/12/africa-needs-more-tech-incubators-but-more-importantly-more-technically-sound-entrepreneurs/

[size=15pt]You guys need to wake up!!!![/size] Even the Google executives can see that most black people lack belief, courage and originality! Do you want to be internet warriors complaining about the condition of Africa and black people everyday or do something about it?  angry angry angry  We can brainstorm, create businesses and use the wealth to tackle social problems - me and cdoffx have already started to discuss projects and exchanged details, this is the time to join hands and make that change - all you guys that were going to join send your details! Do you think that its impossible to be successful by utilising african culture?  grin grin grin grin grin Stop the mental slavery and start doing something about it! If you guys have half of the skills and knowledge you claim to have why will you not join us to do this?   grin 


You do not have to have a degree, so do not be intimidated  cheesy wink smiley If you have vocational skills such as plumbing, carpentry, welding and so on that is still useful!  Its a matter of pooling our skills together to solve problems - in an original, African way.  How can we neglect all of the richness that we posses? All modern theories are just an imitation of nature; for example a drone imitates a fly, a computer tries to imitate the brain, A pump imitates the heart, water cooling systems were developed by studying how we sweat, A satelite was developed by immitating the moon … I can go on all day!
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by cdoffx(m): 11:50am On Apr 13, 2011
Within the past two decades we've witness the rise of nations that nobody could have predicted will rise and develop at such drastic rate. China,India and the likes. I don't believe it came by chance but some people must have wake up that their nation must develop and be referenced by the world. No wonder everybody is now looking at China as probably the next superpower. If such development can occur in these places then who says African nations won't rise, its all about we the people rising up to the task,we're endowed naturally with everything we need to stand tall, we need to unite and tackle our problem the African way because i don't believe the chinese and indians sort a foreign policy or strategy to solve their problem. This is a patriotic call to all African brothers. Together we can make the change happen, together we can industrialize Africa,together we can alleviate our poverty and together we can build a better Africa for all to leave.
To be part of this progressive movement send your first name,gender,location, ethnicity,email, qualification,skills and age to toomuchlogic@yahoo.com. Together we can make the change happen
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by cap28: 12:31pm On Apr 13, 2011
2 muchlogic one thing i'd just like to point out is that in order to really get a people motivated you have to change the way they think, the current crop of african kids coming up have all been brainwashed by western values, if we are looking at developing the nation we have to start with changing the mindset of these youths - china had a cultural revolution and i beleive this is what gave the current generation of chinese people the confidence to become what they are today, shouldnt there be more of an emphasis on educating the upcoming young minds and weaning them off this western cultural value system which has been instilled in them through the western media.
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by cdoffx(m): 1:08pm On Apr 13, 2011
@Cap28
yes you're right and thats why we're calling out to everyone to bring us diverse idea,merge them up and draw a master plan that will produce the desired change.
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by Bawss1(m): 1:31pm On Apr 13, 2011
cap28:

2 muchlogic one thing i'd just like to point out is that in order to really get a people motivated you have to change the way they think, the current crop of african kids coming up have all been brainwashed by western values, if we are looking at developing the nation we have to start with changing the mindset of these youths - china had a cultural revolution and i beleive this is what gave the  current generation of chinese people the confidence to become what they are today, shouldnt there be more of an emphasis on educating the upcoming young minds and weaning them off this western cultural value system which has been instilled in them through the western media.

Just so that everyone is in the clear, I think that phrase "western cultural value system"  should be elucidated in depth. Some people will argue that China's explosive growth is actually as a result of adopting "western" practices as regards its economy. . .

2muchlogic:

WHAT CAN WE DO?

Re-orientate our eurocentric education towards an African centered education

@OP Please the quote in bold above also should be explained.

Any effort that seeks to develop and promote African culture should be welcomed. I think this idea is laudable.
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by NGVOICE: 3:56pm On Apr 13, 2011
Na tru we fit. I go put my energy and ogbo to see say africa gain real indipendent
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by cdoffx(m): 4:23pm On Apr 13, 2011
@NGVOICE
you're welcome on board bro. Pls send the required detail to toomuchlogic@yahoo.com.
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by NGVOICE: 5:50pm On Apr 13, 2011
So you never see am! I have sent ti tete!!!!
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by NGVOICE: 6:02pm On Apr 13, 2011
Pls ignore the e-mail from yahoo the one from gmaill is more comprehensive.

thanks
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by cdoffx(m): 6:28pm On Apr 13, 2011
Alright comrade once again you're welcome on board 2muchlogic will send to your email a welcome message and a brief introduction
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by pleep(m): 9:26pm On Apr 13, 2011
China's explosive growth is actually as a result of adopting "western" practices as regards its economy. . .

I would have to disagree, China is growing because of protectionist policies and devalued currency. "western style practices" are mainly just capitalism, and free markets. This system works well for the west but it wont work for Africa because capitalism is a pyrimid, the majority of people/countries must be poor.
the adoption of western style practices are one the the chief things wrong with Africa's economy. And the adoption protectionist practices are the best way to go.
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by NGVOICE: 10:15pm On Apr 13, 2011
@ Pleep expatiate more!!!
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 10:23pm On Apr 13, 2011
Kedu kà ímèrè?     grin grin grin       Ekaabo!      grin grin grin grin      Salam a lekun!     grin grin grin grin grin

cap28:

2 muchlogic one thing i'd just like to point out is that in order to really get a people motivated you have to change the way they think,

I do not think that is a realistic task, I would love to change the way people think but I believe that we should let the lost ones – stay lost!  Why waste energy trying to change people when we can be more productive?

cap28:

the current crop of african kids coming up have all been brainwashed by western values, if we are looking at developing the nation we have to start with changing the mindset of these youths - china had a cultural revolution and i beleive this is what gave the  current generation of chinese people the confidence to become what they are today, shouldnt there be more of an emphasis on educating the upcoming young minds and weaning them off this western cultural value system

I agree! But we have the benefit of witnessing history to see where so many went wrong.  Can we compete with CNN, BBC, MTV, FOX no!!!!!!!! they have billions at their disposal. We have to leave them to have fun with keeping the masses dumb but they cannot compete with us if we operate in an African context.

Let me give a practical example, in Nigeria and the rest of Africa you are only considered intelligent if you can speak a European language. So that means African children are born disadvantaged by choice!!!! The parents have to force the child to speak a european language before he can go to school!!! Thats insanity and we have all been through it otherwise we would not be here chatting now. 

Conversely, a european child simply has to be the correct age then goes to school and gets taught;  he/she will not have to learn a new language to attend school, hence they are ahead of African choldren already at birth.  No wonder the world is the way it is.  Furthermore, most Africans memorise books written by europeans and cram to pass exams, get handed an A4 sheet of paper and start acting like they can walk on air – they have achieved nothing!!!!

So, if we can take our eurocentic knowledge and use it to enhance and develop education in our language – the child will be on the same level as a european child.  They will not need to learn a european language.  But lets be realistic, what future dose that child have in the workplace today? That is where we come in, tomorrow we need to develop markets and businesses based on african culture; the jobs we create will create more jobs through the multiplier effect.
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 10:27pm On Apr 13, 2011
Bawss1:

@OP Please the quote in bold above also should be explained.

#  Re-orientate our eurocentric education towards an African centered education


  Kedu kà ímèrè?     grin grin grin       Ekaabo!      grin grin grin grin      Salam a lekun!     grin grin grin grin grin

oh about he education, I answered that before:


Let me give a practical example, in Nigeria and the rest of Africa you are only considered intelligent if you can speak a European language. So that means African children are born disadvantaged by choice!!!! The parents have to force the child to speak a european language before he can go to school!!! Thats insanity and we have all been through it otherwise we would not be here chatting now. 

Conversely, a european child simply has to be the correct age then goes to school and gets taught;  he/she will not have to learn a new language to attend school, hence they are ahead of African choldren already at birth.  No wonder the world is the way it is.  Furthermore, most Africans memorise books written by europeans and cram to pass exams, get handed an A4 sheet of paper and start acting like they can walk on air – they have achieved nothing!!!!

So, if we can take our eurocentic knowledge and use it to enhance and develop education in our language – the child will be on the same level as a european child.  They will not need to learn a european language.  But lets be realistic, what future dose that child have in the workplace today? That is where we come in, tomorrow we need to develop markets and businesses based on african culture; the jobs we create will create more jobs through the multiplier effect.


Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 10:29pm On Apr 13, 2011
NGVOICE:

Pls ignore the e-mail from yahoo the one from gmaill is more comprehensive.

thanks

Kedu kà ímèrè? Have you received my message? i sent it to your gmail box.
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by NGVOICE: 10:53pm On Apr 13, 2011
@2muchlogic
I white agree with you, it is realistic fact, BBC,CNN,MTN, are surviving cos we speak their language, if we change the hand of our clock it will be a survival series,We think we have nothing, the white skinned men & women took advantage of us. They give us all we think we need money abi!! But we need to change of our orientation that all we need to keep the world market more competitive. The west know they can not survive the conquest in propaganda succeeded in disorientating us, to keep they lead. The clock is rotating, Assia to Africa we need to get ready or else they will still use us in our time. we are 3rd world,two third world, whatever they like let them call it, it our time to take a lead, youth get the African mindset to key in on the sand of time.
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by NGVOICE: 11:01pm On Apr 13, 2011
Odi mma, gunwa kwanu? Oya ka na eleta nu gbua, We are fine how bout you , just checking now
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 11:13pm On Apr 13, 2011
NGVOICE:

@2muchlogic
I agree with you, it is realistic fact, BBC,CNN,MTV,  are surviving cos we speak their language, if we change the hand of our clock it will be a survival series,We think we have nothing,

Exactly! We spend so much energy feeling sorry for ourselves and complianing we forget that we actually can do something about it! But i believe where most Afgricans get it wrong is undersetimating the task at hand and bad planning.  For example if we adopt our languages, there is around 240 in nigeria alone how will we commnicate? The oyinbos have solved that problem for us by making us speak there language; but language and culture go hand in hand as a result we are at their mercy  smiley wink cheesy grin  It wil not be an easy task but its achievable.

Why do we feel we need to solve our problems like everyone else? we need to be original and African when we approach these things - there is so much misundersatnding and confusion and yet we are all brothers and sisters.  Instead of fighting the system we have to build a brand new one.

NGVOICE:

They give us all we think we need money abi!! But we need to change of our orientation that all we need to keep the world market more competitive. The west know they can not survive the conquest in propaganda succeeded in disorientating us, to keep they lead. The clock is rotating, Assia to Africa we need to get ready or else they will still use us in our time. we are 3rd world,two third world, whatever they like let them call it, it our time to take a lead, youth get the African mindset to key in on the sand of time.

ride on my brother! grin cheesy wink smiley grin grin grin
Re: Can We Rebrand The Image Of Africa? by NGVOICE: 11:22pm On Apr 13, 2011
@2muchlogic
I read it and have sent my reply

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