So I don't understand why most Christians and pastors wallow in sin. How can you say you are a pastor and you still smoke, drink alcohol, gossip, womanize? is it possible? because I don't understand again. You see a sister speaking effortlessly in tongues and then you see this same lady will a guy smooching with a guy at night by the roadside then after the act she comes and preach on social media and pray before sleeping

You see mothers in the Lord that have spent a long time in church still praying and collecting money from their sons that is into internet fraud.

Brother bursting and speaking in tongues on fire for God and preaching then at night he's watching pornography and masturbating.

Choir master in fornication scandal with a chorister.

Why is this? that's why so called atheist make mockery of Christianity

Didn't the Bible say whoever commit sin does not know God because God can not sin but such is of the devil because the devil sinneth from the beginning.

Jesus also said "Verily verily I say unto you who ever sins is the servant of sin"

Is it possible for a believer to continue to commit sin and God will continue to use such an one for signs and wonders. Please I want to know

cc JesusJnr2020 kobojunkiee

Not everyone who is a Christian is a born again....

Don't you get it?? if you dont Sin, It means Jesus died for Nothing.

falcon01:
Don't you get it?? if you dont Sin, It means Jesus died for Nothing.

It should be the reverse..Jesus died to eradicate sin, so a believer should be perfect without sin. If one still sins it means Jesus death is in vain, isn't it?

NewSoul:
So I don't understand why most Christians and pastors wallow in sin. How can you say you are a pastor and you still smoke, drink alcohol, gossip, womanize? is it possible? because I don't understand again. You see a sister speaking effortlessly in tongues and then you see this same lady will a guy smooching with a guy at night by the roadside then after the act she comes and preach on social media and pray before sleeping

You see mothers in the Lord that have spent a long time in church still praying and collecting money from their sons that is into internet fraud.

Brother bursting and speaking in tongues on fire for God and preaching then at night he's watching pornography and masturbating.

Choir master in fornication scandal with a chorister.

Why is this? that's why so called atheist make mockery of Christianity

Didn't the Bible say whoever commit sin does not know God because God can not sin but such is of the devil because the devil sinneth from the beginning.

Jesus also said "Verily verily I say unto you who ever sins is the servant of sin"

Is it possible for a believer to continue to commit sin and God will continue to use such an one for signs and wonders. Please I want to know

cc JesusJnr2020 kobojunkiee

It's a really disheartening development i must say.

The gospel of grace has been largely responsible for this development, because that's what those who continue to work iniquity use to justify themselves.

It undermines righteousness, hence makes sin to abound.

This is not about Christians falling into sin on the odd occasion, but about sin being their way of life, and them using grace to justify such a lifestyle.

That's why we're doing everything we possibly could to warn all those who care to listen, because no worker of iniquity shall be allowed into heaven, so all those using grace to justify their works of iniquity were just deceiving themselves.

Sadly this unsavory development could be discouraging to those who were striving to live righteous lives as it ought to be, but let them not to be discouraged but focus on God instead, because God knows those who are truly His, and He would reward every man according to his works.

As for those who are able to do signs and wonders despite being workers of iniquity, what you should know is that when God anoints such ones for such purpose, they are usually righteous, but power intoxicates, so they could turn into something else after the power was given to them. For instance, King Saul who was righteous before he was anointed king of Israel but became evil after. That's why God is very careful before He gives anyone such powers.

Another thing, is that the anointing to do such works is transferable, so someone could get it from someone else who has the anointing even though his ways might be evil.

Some could also get it from the devil, so that they have it doesn't mean that it's God that gave it to them or was using them especially when they were working iniquity.

God bless.

NewSoul:

It should be the reverse..Jesus died to eradicate sin, so a believer should be perfect without sin. If one still sins it means Jesus death is in vain, isn't it?

but he didn't stay dead though, he rose up after 3 days.

NewSoul:

It should be the reverse..Jesus died to eradicate sin, so a believer should be perfect without sin. If one still sins it means Jesus death is in vain, isn't it?

I am afraid that is not true at all. The death of Jesus Christ was never meant for the eradication of sin. No it wasn't!

Instead,Jesus Christ died to buy the Jewish sinners from the Old Covenant - He fulfilled the Old Covenant on their behalf by living and dying a righteous man, the only way to fulfill it. His resurrection was meant for the redemption of condemned man(gentiles from all the nations) from the "condemnation of sin".I.e. Death(perish in the grave).

Please abandon that false narrative fed you of how Jesus Christ died for your sins. Those who regurgitate that lie are themselves clueless as far as the Truth of God .I.e. Jesus Christ.

Why Do Christians Sin And Think It's Normal

But for the "think it's normal part" (I mean, when they are without remorse), there is no flesh on earth above errors, so asking why Christians sin is like asking God's children still eat, drink, go to toilet, fall sick and even die.

Psa 130:3-4 KJV 3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand? 4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.

Committing a sin isn't the issue, the attitude towards it and after it should be the concern

falcon01:
Don't you get it?? if you dont Sin, It means Jesus died for Nothing.

Jesus Christ's death has nothing to do with your sins.

Some SIN intentionally and thereafter, points at GRACE!
GRACE has suffered; GRACE has been abused! Many Pastors have elevated the satanic doctrine of "No man is Perfect" to mislead numerous churchgoers into thinking they can eat their cakes & have it back!
Terrible!

NewSoul:
So I don't understand why most Christians and pastors wallow in sin. How can you say you are a pastor and you still smoke, drink alcohol, gossip, womanize? is it possible? because I don't understand again. You see a sister speaking effortlessly in tongues and then you see this same lady will a guy smooching with a guy at night by the roadside then after the act she comes and preach on social media and pray before sleeping declare Himself against such.
You see mothers in the Lord that have spent a long time in church still praying and collecting money from their sons that is into internet fraud.
Brother bursting and speaking in tongues on fire for God and preaching then at night he's watching pornography and masturbating.
Choir master in fornication scandal with a chorister. Why is this? that's why so called atheist make mockery of Christianity

Atheists make a mockery of Christianity?
On the contrary, it is "Christians" as a whole who mock Christianity. Atheists do not even come close when it comes to the level of ridicule that Christians inflict on the religion.

NewSoul:
Didn't the Bible say whoever commit sin does not know God because God can not sin but such is of the devil because the devil sinneth from the beginning.
Jesus also said "Verily verily I say unto you who ever sins is the servant of sin"
Is it possible for a believer to continue to commit sin and God will continue to use such an one for signs and wonders. Please I want to know

There is a saying that I like..."Let God be true and men, liars!", I think Paul said it.

Jesus Christ made it clear that those who love Him are not those who wear the "Christian" badge or can speak a "mean" tongue whenever they want to, but instead those who obey His teachings/commandments. He declared that it is inside of those that He and His Father come to make their home.

John 14 vs 23-24 (ERV)
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23. Jesus answered, “All who love me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them. My Father and I will come to them and live with them.
24. But anyone who does not love me does not obey my teaching. This teaching that you hear is not really mine. It is from my Father who sent me.

In John 8, He proclaims that those who live as slaves to sin are instead of their father, the devil, and as such are children of disobedience.

John 8 vs 31-47
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31. So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.
32. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
33. They answered, “We are Abraham’s descendants. And we have never been slaves. So why do you say that we will be free?”
34. Jesus said, “The truth is, everyone who sins is a slave—a slave to sin.
35. A slave does not stay with a family forever. But a son belongs to the family forever.
36. So if the Son makes you free, you are really free.
37. I know you are Abraham’s descendants. But you want to kill me, because you don’t want to accept my teaching.
38. I am telling you what my Father has shown me. But you do what your father has told you.”
39. They said, “Our father is Abraham.”
Jesus said, “If you were really Abraham’s descendants, you would do what Abraham did.
40. I am someone who has told you the truth I heard from God. But you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that.
41. So you are doing what your own father did.”
But they said, “We are not like children who never knew who their father was. God is our Father. He is the only Father we have.”
42. Jesus said to them, “If God were really your Father, you would love me. I came from God, and now I am here. I did not come by my own authority. God sent me.
43. You don’t understand the things I say, because you cannot accept my teaching.
44. Your father is the devil. You belong to him. You want to do what he wants. He was a murderer from the beginning. He was always against the truth. There is no truth in him. He is like the lies he tells. Yes, the devil is a liar. He is the father of lies.

By the way, Jesus Christ's Church is a gathering of all of those who Jesus Christ lives inside of, i.e. those who submit to and obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - they are perfect in their following of Him. Your earthly churches are instead a gathering of sinners and others who have the desire to obey God but are generally misled by the doctrines and traditions that are your churches and their devices. So, if you are looking for them to be perfect anytime soon, think again for that will never happen.

DISCLAIMER: I don't condemn anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol since those are not listed as sins by Jesus Christ. While, I am not a gossip myself, and I sometimes wonder how those who do it can keep up with their stories, I am not against gossips either since not all gossips are lies and Jesus Christ did not

Hundredfold4lif:

Some SIN intentionally and thereafter, points at GRACE!
GRACE has suffered; GRACE has been abused! Many Pastors have elevated the satanic doctrine of "No man is Perfect" to mislead numerous churchgoers into thinking they can eat their cakes & have it back!
Terrible!

Exactly many church goers have hidden under grace to do all sorts of things

NewSoul:
Exactly many church goers have hidden under grace to do all sorts of things

What does "hidden under grace" even mean?

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ's death has nothing to do with your sins.

The jesus died for our sin Issue unko?

falcon01:
The jesus died for our sin Issue unko?

Doctrines and traditions of men....

Kobojunkiee:
Doctrines and traditions of men....

ahh.. I see