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Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by openmine(m): 4:40pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
PrinceofAgoAre:Aside Jota,they happen to be the only striker available hence he has no option but to make use of them! We can only hope to cash in on any of them when the next transfer window opens and go for other good strikers! |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by PrinceofAgoAre(m): 4:44pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
pman06:Thank u. U see what i'm seeing. There's no team play btw those two. It's either klopp talks to 2 dem or bench one of dem. They both play 1st half nd 2nd half respectively while we get a replacement 4 d less eficient one amongst d two or both. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by Babysho(m): 4:44pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
openmine: Well assessed and I respect your opinion. I don't believe Shaq gives the ball away as often as Mane does. Shaq has the technique that Mane can only dream of. Another issue is consistency. You have already concluded that Chamberlain and Shaq are bad and unable to perform but how many games did they start? Did Klopp configure the tactics to their advantage? We have seen Mane play below average every single game for almost 3 months that to me is enough reason try some other players. Origi didn't even do up to this and y'all are bashing him. Chamberlain use to do fine attacking from the flanks at Arsenal and when he first joined Liverpool. You're reaching at this point. Give the man a chance damn! Lol. You have never seen Davies play at Liverpool and you conclude he's not ready. You're definitely doing too much to downplay the facts. Fabinho should never be in CB. "Nat simply stepped up his game when he was given the opportunity" You're contradicting yourself. Nat is younger, didn't play as much games as Davies before Liverpool and Davies could also "step up his game" and Davies didn't just walk through the doors and picked up a shirt, Liverpool BOUGHT him. Are you a coach? I doubt that because you can't identify potential. Lmao you're trolling. Nobody except you agrees his subs are sensible. Every Liverpool fan knows that's his greatest weakness. Although, I take back what I said about wanting Klopp to get sacked lol I was only furious but I still think he needs to work on his decision making and flexibility. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by mywells: 5:10pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
Europa league candidates loading am sure chelsea would join the list in the next 6 hrs. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by openmine(m): 5:16pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
Babysho: I can tell you of several matches that had happened including ghosting in these matches! Shaq is good no doubt but his hot and cold performance is what worries me! It will also be wrong to equate him with mane because they influence the game differently at different positions....Shaq would have been amazing as an attacking midfielder but his constant loss of possession and inconsistency has been his undoing! Mane is simply a winger turned striker due to the system Klopp plays him...so it will be tactically suicidal to think shaq can replace mane! Mane is going through a rough patch and he is also not helping matters by being to competitive with salah! The game against aston villa at anfield should have been 3-1 had an unselfish mane given a free Jota to score when he was one on one with aston villa's GK martinez! But still its too late for experiments...We have to manage them until the next season! Babysho: Maybe U didnt read the part where i said chamberlain is good but has had a lenghty injury which has impacted on his performance! His problem has been that of injury which can affect players form when they return! I'm not giving up on Chambers yet but this is crunch time and it will be illogical to start experimenting with players simply because the front three are having a poor form! Remember that we only have 5 games...which sensible coach will use that period to experiment on players? Shaq is not a player we need long term....he can do well in a mid table club where there isn't much pressure to succeed! Babysho: I did once during the international break when liverpool arranged an all liverpool 11 vs 11 game which he featured for 90 mins and performed below average as some youngsters were almost disgracing him due to his poor positioning and slightly low tactical awareness! He is good no doubt but he still needs to cut off the championship type of defending if he really wants to feature prominently for the #LFC rearguard! Babysho: He was bought because he is versatile! He can play as RB,CB and DM! However,he is there because our key defenders are injured! dont forget that! Babysho: I am not contradicting myself because you are having issues comprehending my statements!(no pun intended) Nat has been on loan at stutgart and gathered some experience but he never had an opportunity due to the defenders we had! Nat had to step up because it was obvious we were running out of defenders and the horrible news that Matip would miss the rest of the season only meant that Klopp needed to make the hard choice of fielding Nat Philips which as its so obvious worked out! So credit to Klopp for taking that decision/risk but we all know it would have backfired for klopp had Nat not grabbed the opportunity or fumbled! Davies is not experienced for now and would need time to blend! This is no time for experiment with 5 games to go.....he will prove himself during the pre season games! Babysho: I admit that i am no coach but We dont need potentials now but players with experience who can get the job done! We can talk of potential during the pre season! Babysho: Fans can be emotional hence its easy to know why! His subs becomes a masterstroke when it works out but a disaster when it doesn't! We can sit here and talk about klopp but we know that if his subs had scored,we would have praised the players instead of the coach! Coaches will always make decisions right or wrong but thats why they are coaches! Babysho:You talk about his decision making after a loss or draw but hardly praise him but hail the players when the team win! Now that is perplexing! You were emotional which is understandable due to some underwhelming performance by the team recently but we all know this team is what they are today due to Klopp managerial skills and it would be myopic and absolutely preposterous for anyone to ask a recent UCL and EPL coach to quit or get fired due to a season that has been plagued by injuries to key players,the covid 19 pandemic,no fans to watch the games and an out of form front three! |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by uniquetechng: 5:17pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
Babysho:Same Keita Klopp started against Madrid and was confused on the pitched and had to be substituted after 25mins and replaced with Thiago, OX has started two matches already and has been coming on in the second half of our matches yet has offer absolutely nothing to the team. Nat Phillips is injured and every LFC fans knows that except you. Nah don't even start with Davies lol , Liverpool is under so much pressure at the moment and you want Klopp to throw a League One defender with zero EPL minutes into the mix |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by mywells: 5:19pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
lizards pool can not soak the pressures for 90 + 5 mins. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by MrMacinterchi1: 5:39pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
Babysho:keep quiet! |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by openmine(m): 6:03pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
uniquetechng:Omor this part is what baffles me! I watched him feature in an arranged match between 11 vs 11 liverpool team and i can tell you that davies will need lots of hard work and quick learning to even get a look in into the LFC rearguard esp when the keys defender return from injury! He was constantly out muscled and outclassed by the youngsters who also featured! No right positioning and awareness....though i must say that he made some few tackles and well timed slides which even made me believe he might still have hope if he works very hard to curtail his obvious weakness! |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by Babysho(m): 6:08pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
uniquetechng:I refuse to follow the narrative that Keita is bad or anything like that . Even with Jesus Christ playing Madrid would still win Liverpool with that tactics. Keita was only scapegoat. Later on, Wijnaldum too became scapegoat. How many players do you want to blame? The issue with people like you is you don't want to believe you can think for yourselves. You have made the front 3 so comfortable. At a point, Jota was doing well than Mane and Mane was still starting. Jota would then come in second half to save their ass with a goal. This happened many times. Where did I say Nat Philips is fit? What's wrong with you? Because Kabak had premier league minutes before joining Liverpool? Kabak's couple of games before joining Liverpool was 7-0 defeat and look at him now.. decent. The fact that you've never watched Davies play for Liverpool, means you shouldn't judge him. Kabak's game against Leicester should have written him off but that's not how football works. You can actually learn and adapt. And why are you acting like the man just walked through the doors and picked up a shirt... Liverpool BOUGHT him on purpose. Lol It's not even about the defenders. It's imperative that Fabinho goes back into CDM! We need that. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by Babysho(m): 6:12pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
MrMacinterchi1: na joke but Klopp has fallen off though. Don't forget he lost 7-2 to Villa with full squad which can happen to anybody but how about we ask Klopp to make stern decisions to put the forwards on their toes? Mane looks like he's having fun missing sitters. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by uniquetechng: 8:44pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
Babysho:I Davies wasn't signed to savage Liverpool's season ,Kabak plays for the Turkey national team and has Bundesliga experience to but that cannot be said of Davies who was terrible in the only match he has played in a Liverpool's shirt. It will be foolhardy to pair Davies with Kabak at the heart of Liverpool's defence knowing fully well that Dave is more of an amateur player while Kabak is still adapting to the high pace of the EPL. Back to Keita, nobody is saying Keita is a bad player but saying he should be starting matches ahead of Thiago certainly shows you don't know what you are saying. Keita just returned from a lengthy injury and need time to regain rhythm and be in sync with the team. With Hendo and Nat Phillips out, who do you prefer Klopp pairs with Kabak in today's match Jota started today's match and was quity as Mane wasting goal scoring chances, so what's your point |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by uniquetechng: 8:48pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
openmine:Thank God you watched that match, he was terrible in decision making and positioning both of which are essential aspect of a defender's game. Davies is an amateur at best, and will need lot of learning to play at a top club. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by richmanrichard: 8:53pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
DownChelsea:talk am again. liverfool is going down |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by richmanrichard: 8:56pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
DownChelsea:yes n he took chelsea to ucl semi n ole took you away frm ucl to rubbish eropa wey arsenal go still win |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by openmine(m): 9:23pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
uniquetechng:Exactly! |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by Babysho(m): 9:35pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
uniquetechng: The Ben Davies point is already settled as you've contradicted yourself twice. Nat Philips played only 19 games for Stuttgart starting only 3 or 4 times. The rest of his career is total amateur U23 football at Liverpool(U23) while Ben Davies on the other hand was an important player for Preston starting almost all games. Saying one person is an amateur and another isn't is not the case anymore. It's an issue of who is Klopp's favorite? How can Ben Davies not even come in 85 mins to even get 5 mins of game time? Haba! I said Keita should be starting ahead of Gini not Thiago. And how can he find his rhythm when he's not getting minutes....how can any of the players on the bench? I would risk Ben Davies long time ago like Klopp risked Kabak and Nat which surprisingly has been a better match up than with Fabinho in my opinion. I believe the more defenders play together, the more chemistry they develop. Yes, Jota had just one bad game in like 8 good games after coming back from an injury. Have at him! Lol You could even see on Jota's face how badly he wanted to do better. I'm not kidding MANE IS FINE WITH THE WAY HE'S PERFORMING!! Take my advice. Don't just say anything inorder to buttress your point, you should rationalize it first. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by uniquetechng: 10:09pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
Babysho:Saying Keita should start ahead of Gini shows you know nothing about football, Gini has missed just one match in the last three seasons, he is the fittest player in that team and covers more ground than any other player in the absence of Hendo, Keita can't do half of what Gini does on the pitch for Liverpool. Preston cannot be compared to Stuttgart who plays in the Bundesliga and even hammered Dortmund 1-5 . Norwich City will will beat Preston 8-0 base on present form, so Davies playing matches for Preston means nothing, he is an amateur who needs time to adjust to EPL. You were even making case for OX who has been given plenty game time since returning from injury and has been below par, may I remind you that OX scored just 20 goals in 198 appearances for Arsenal, that's to say OX is not the solution to Liverpool's inefficiencies in front of goal. Klopp has started Jota in the last five matches so I don't why you still want him to drop Mane for Jota when both players has been starting lol Salah was actually benched in the game against Aston Villa to make room for Jota. Stop blaming Klopp. Before I forget Ben Davies is 25 years that's four years older than Ozan Kabak yet hasnt even played a Championship match his whole life, he was been send on loan from one league two team to another till the 2018 season . Kabak in the other hand was already a regular with Galatasary first team before moving to Stuttgart then Schalke 04 and still only 21. At 21 is a regular with the Turkish national team, you say the same for Ben Davies who is 25 ? |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by Babysho(m): 10:35pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
uniquetechng: I see you didn't take my advice fully but I like the part where you googled Ox's Arsenal stats. Gini Wijnaldum is lucky to see shirt because of injuries and you know it and where did you get the information that he missed only one match If Henderson comes back today, Wijnaldum is immediately going to the bench. Note that I'm not disregarding his abilities but I'm saying in games where opposition are sitting back which is most games these days, we need Keita ahead of Wijnaldum. Don't forget Keita is 26 and Wijnaldum is 31. Once again, contradicting yourself. Are you not seeing that you are? I told you not to make up silly scenarios and assumptions to buttress your point. You haven't seen Ben Davies play beside Fabinho. That's all you need to know. Stop concluding like that, it's childish. Plenty of game what? You're tripping. I now see you're trolling As a CM, 8 premier league games or so starting 1 or 2. Even Messi couldn't do shit with that amount of game time. You do realize Mane and Jota have the same amount of premier league goals where Jota played just 9 games (came of the bench in 4 or 5 of them) Mane played about 30 games. Mane is the weakest link in our attack right now and it's not up for debate. Klopp loves the front 3 and I do too but he needs to realize that they're done. Especially Mane. He's done. Towards the end of last season, his decline has been evident. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by uniquetechng: 10:53pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
Babysho:lol you don't seem to get it, Keita has been in LFC three years and Gini has started games ahead of him even when he is fit, so what makes you think the same Keita will bench Gini who is always the first in the team's sheet? Stop talking about Mane playing ahead of Jota because both has started the last five matches and Jota has been as wasteful as Mane in those matches especially in the game against Madrid in Spain. Ben Davies given an audition in 11 vs 11 match and he failed woefully, he was terrible and you want Klopp to pair him with who if I may ask? Nat Phillips and Kabak are better defenders with top league experience than Been Davies whose only stat is playing a full season Preston who sit on 14th in Championship table. Both Phillips and Kabak are proven defenders with UCL/FA cup/EPL minutes for Nat and Bundesliga experience for Ozan who has face Lewandowsky, Haaland, Timo and other top forwards in Bundesliga. Ben Davies was a mistake buy, do you know the money Liverpool paid Davies is the only time a club has paid a transfer fee for him? |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by Babysho(m): 11:40pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
uniquetechng: Your last paragraph sums up the entirety of your football knowledge. I keep telling you you're contradicting yourself. No club has paid for Nat Philips as well doesn't make him less of a football player. No club has paid transfer fee for Chupo Moting doesn't make him less of a footballer. You still have a lot to learn but I hope you have taken one or two from me. Klopp is not a god. He too can make mistakes and he just needs to learn from his mistakes. 1 Like |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by DownChelsea(f): 11:43pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
richmanrichard: I live that achievement. UCL semi. I like the fact that we're all putting arsenal with a hope of an European trophy at least. It's the hidden joke for me. Lmao Very wonderful. 1 Like |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by BurntDodo: 11:43pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
Babysho: I've been following the two of you argument and una get time sha You're on point bro. Everything you said makes sense but that uniquetechng of a guy is stubborn sha. E just dey talk nonsense so freely. Y |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by richmanrichard: 11:54pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
DownChelsea:save this! arsenal wud beat man u in d eropa lq final. i said first. 1 Like |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by richmanrichard: 11:59pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
DownChelsea:well ucl semi is an achievement. since fergusson left manu has never made a ucl semi final. thats almost a decade now n a new coach of few months just did that n u are telling me its not an achievement. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by Nobody: 7:14am On Apr 25, 2021 |
Promoter2:4 me i tink d player especially d forwards are weary of d coach. its been over 5years nw, but dem still dey play d same way. i assume d players want a new manager, becos d goals wer dem dey lose in most of dier matches, is highly abnormal 4 a liverpool player nt 2 score. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by Nobody: 7:24am On Apr 25, 2021 |
openmine:its not like d trio dont work again, dey still play well asin chance creation. D only option 4 a revival in liverpool is 2 bring in a new manager(Although d manager it self isnt d problem). it seems d forwards committment 2 klop has faded away. But i believe, with a new manager a new door and mentality would b opened. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by uniquetechng: 7:38am On Apr 25, 2021 |
Babysho:The difference is that Nat Phillips was loaned by top 5 league team, given game times in the EPL and Chupo Moting Played in EPL, PSG and now Bayern Munich which tells of his quality. Ben Davies in the other hand was loaned to Fleetwood Town, Southport, Newport and back to Preston at 25. Ozan Kabak in the other hand was a regular for Galatasary first team at 16, signed for Suttgart at 18, signed for Schalke 04 at 19 and regular for the Turkish national at 20 because he is a special talent. No basis for comparison. Let me break it down for you don't understand it, Messi, CR7, Mbappe, De Lima, Rooney and the other top talents were already recognized at special talents at 18 and same class Kabak is grouped. Eduardo Camavinga is just 18 but has been a regular for Rennes in Ligue 1 since he was 16, part of French national team setup since he was 17 and will be playing for either Baryen Munich or Real Madrid next season. My point is both Nat Phillips and Kabak has played in Bundesliga and EPL therefore more experience than Davies who has been terrible in League one and League two until he recently that he was able to claimed a spot in Preston backline. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by DownChelsea(f): 9:27am On Apr 25, 2021 |
richmanrichard: I love that achievement. It's so wonderful. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by DownChelsea(f): 9:28am On Apr 25, 2021 |
richmanrichard: Would be wonderful if Arsenal FINALLY wins an European trophy for once in its over 100years of existence. Don't you think? Maybe Arsenal won't be much of a laughing stock by then. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by richmanrichard: 9:33am On Apr 25, 2021 |
DownChelsea:well , i dnt see ole winning any trophy with his poor tactis. the man is no coach |
Re: Liverpool Vs Newcastle (1 - 1) On 24th April 2021 by Babysho(m): 9:59am On Apr 25, 2021 |
uniquetechng:Our very own LB Andrew Robertson played for Dundee United a relegation team in Scotland, QPR in championship and HullCity in championship and wasn't even a regular starter at Hull. Andy in spite of his portfolio was still given play time immediately he joined Liverpool even flopping during the first few games. Mind you that Moreno was there and squad was fully fit. Now we have injured players and Davies still cannot get playtime. Make it make sense..or don't cause I know you'll say anything The one you said about nationality, if Robertson or Kabak was English like Ben Davies playing for Dundee United or Schalke you can agree with me he'll not be called just like Nat Philips wasn't called. You're just doing like Mane. Breathing heavy without anything to show lol I am tired of lecturing you. If this is what you want to hear *Sigh...I respect your opinion lol You can stop quoting me now. And lastly, muhahahahahabeg He said Messi and Ozan Kabak are in the same talent group. |
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