chatinent:
Why hasn't anyone resurrected the dead from a morgue?


Didn't Jesus do that?


Oga, know the difference between magic and miracles.

KnownUnknown:


Alph Lukau resurrected a body from the morgue like Jesus did. Magic or miracle?

chatinent:


Can you differentiate magic, and staged performances from miracles?


Did Jesus say miracles are the requirements of a true Christain?

KnownUnknown:

Miracles are staged performances or outright lies. I don’t care what Jesus said, my point is that the only difference between these pastors’ actions and Jesus’ alleged actions are that the latter’s are recorded in the Bible. Viewed without the bias of religious beliefs, Jesus was a scammer.

Kobojunkie:
You registered a brand new moniker about 30 minutes ago so you could post this?

petra1:
Pastors are men of sacrifice for the congregation. It is ademanding responsibility.

Dtruthspeaker:


I know that there would be 1 or 2 Righteous Pastors but they are largely unknown, unrecognised, rejected, despised and hated thus, they will be considered non-existent, therefore, you are defending a group of people who have been caught on camera and are as guilty as politicians!

petra1:

There may few bad eggs as in every institution. 99 % of pastors are volunteers who have their jobs . They rather use their monies to attend to church and brethren needs. Take Redeemed for example. Most of the pastors a Lay volunteers. And those who are full time pastors how much is their salary.

Kobojunkie:
You registered a brand new moniker about 30 minutes ago so you could post this?

Dtruthspeaker:


Few bad? No, sir, they are not few bad, they are almost all bad.

I am certain you have never heard this Principle of Law, "A thing is Only Good if Every Single Element of it is Good. It is bad if One Element of it is bad"!

And this is based on the Principle of Law found in Ecclesiastics 10:1

"Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour.

Same as the Principle of "You Break One Commandment, You Break All"!

Pastorjohn2:

Shut up your sinful mouth

KnownUnknown:


I’m not FOJ nor Dtruthspeaker.

Your post about the humility of Jesus seems to me to be the result of the pedestal Jesus is placed on. A person with an entourage who isn’t some public official can not be said to be displaying humility. He’s stolen donkey episode is not the action of a humble person etc. The other issue is the miracles they claim he performed. Examples I gave regarding the modern day miracle workers is to show how Jesus’ miracles would have been charades if the gospels were based on actual history. Miracles are either planned or outright lies.

An example of an outright lie would be the case of Adeboye of Redeemed, who claimed to have driven 300km on a empty gas tank because he prayed to Jesus. It’s an obvious lie but it’s biblical equivalent is given the benefit of the doubt by christians and their apologists. Applying the skepticism with which modern miracles are viewed to Jesus’ miracles would paint him as a scammer the likes of Alph Lukau and the rest of them.

KnownUnknown:


It seems a lot of people, be they Christians, other religionists, and atheists, tend to put Jesus on a pedestal and exempt him from the more deplorable aspects of the religion based on him. In my opinion these pastors are not doing anything different from their role model. The exploits of pastors that FatherofJesus would call scams can be found in the pages of the bible. A simple analysis of some of the miracles without the presumption of Jesus’ so called “divinity” would paint a picture of a modern day scammer, so these pastors are not doing anything that goes against Christianity. Let’s examine his first miracle in Mark 1:21-28 with some edits.

T.B. Joshua Drives Out an Impure Spirit
21 They went to Ibadan, and when Sunday came, T.B. Joshua went into the church and began to teach. 22 The people were amazed at his teaching, because he taught them as one who had authority, not as a Man of God. 23 Just then a man in their church who was possessed by an impure spirit cried out, 24 “What do you want with us, T.B. Joshua of Egbe? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!”
25 “Be quiet!” T.B. Joshua said sternly. “Come out of him!” 26 The impure spirit shook the man violently and came out of him with a shriek.
27 The people were all so amazed that they asked each other, “What is this? A new teaching—and with authority! He even gives orders to impure spirits and they obey him.” 28 News about him spread quickly over the whole region of Oyo.

In my opinion, it should be obvious that the man “possessed by an impure spirit” is in cahoots with T.B. Joshua and this miracle is a theatrical performance. The only difference between T.B. Joshua’s scams and Jesus’ scams is that the latter are recorded in a book that’s supposed to be revered.

Jesus Drives Out an Impure Spirit
21 They went to Capernaum, and when the Sabbath came, Jesus went into the synagogue and began to teach. 22 The people were amazed at his teaching, because he taught them as one who had authority, not as the teachers of the law. 23 Just then a man in their synagogue who was possessed by an impure spirit cried out, 24 “What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!”
25 “Be quiet!” said Jesus sternly. “Come out of him!” 26 The impure spirit shook the man violently and came out of him with a shriek.
27 The people were all so amazed that they asked each other, “What is this? A new teaching—and with authority! He even gives orders to impure spirits and they obey him.” 28 News about him spread quickly over the whole region of Galilee

KnownUnknown:
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essentialone:


All Nigerians Pastors are scammers and deceivers. Know this, and know peace.