I Will first of all run you through the genesis account of creation which simply says that everything including humans were created by the pronouncement of a deit; specifically, it stated that humans were created from soil for men and ribs for women. All these were created in 6days. While some Christians share the notion that the creation story cannot be taken literally, it doesn't still give a testable account for existence. It's full of gaps and sadly that what alot of people believe however no evidence it happened that way, instead evidence says it happened some other way in science.
I will highlight why these cannot be accepted by science and the scientific view with evidence.

1. Humans weren't created from clay: it's okay to twist that passage how ever you like but it doest change humans and every other organism on earth are made primarily from hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, phosphorus, iron, calcium and potassium, because of this the evidence before us points to the fact that organisms including humans are a product of dead large stars in the universe and remains of the big bang.
How did we know this? Stellar cycle and supernova.
We have studied several stars using all sort of methologies including spectrophotometery, telescopy etc and found out thay stars are nuclear reactors; they fuse two nuclei of atoms to form a larger atom releasing energy in the process in the nuclear fussion reaction. Small stars like our sun fuse smaller nuclei of hydrogen to form helium at some point then later they will start fusing helium to form larger elements. Larger stars like the betelguse and UY scuti fuse larger atoms to form carbon, iron, phosphorus, calcium etc, they later explode in a supernovae to disperse all these elements into space. Literally, all naturally occurring elements including those you are made of and except hydrogen were made in stars long before we existed. There are no other known source of elements naturally unless in stars.


So no, you are made of soil, evidence says that you are made of star particles. You are literally the reminant of stars.

2. Panspermia, Abiogenesis and evolution.
The truth is that life evolved on earth over millions of years, the evidence is overwhelming. What we don't know is how life originated, whether via panspermia or Abiogenesis and what we know is that life didn't happen like it was stated in the Bible.
How did we know this?

We have estimated the age of earth (you can google if you care to know how) to be nothing less than 4.5billion years, we have also found fossils of microorganisms dating back to 3.5billions years and the earliest species dated 300000years ago which are humans. The pretty thing about it is that the dating are consistent with geology, biology, paleontology, archeology and every other field of science. There has never been a time when say an organism in one stratum of the earth layer jumps to the other without overlapping. Not even one.
We have also done DNA tests to confirm that we share ancestry.
The result is so consistent that it's repeatable

True Science does not disprove the bible only speculations seek to disprove the bible, tested facts do not.
For example using radio dating works on assumption, the assumption is that the decay constant in today's condition were the same from the beginning, here lies the flaw, the conditions that determines the creation is not the same as at today.

livingchrist:
True Science does not disprove the bible only speculations seek to disprove the bible, tested facts do not.
For example using radio dating works on assumption, the assumption is that the decay constant in today's condition were the same from the beginning, here lies the flaw, the conditions that determines the creation is not the same as at today.

and how does that uphold the Bible narrative, assuming you are right?

Yeah because it's a myth.

livingchrist:
True Science does not disprove the bible only speculations seek to disprove the bible, tested facts do not.
For example using radio dating works on assumption, the assumption is that the decay constant in today's condition were the same from the beginning, here lies the flaw, the conditions that determines the creation is not the same as at today.

What does "true" science have to say about people living for 900 years?

Workch:
I Will first of all run you through the genesis account of creation which simply says that everything including humans were created by the pronouncement of a deit; specifically, it stated that humans were created from soil for men and ribs for women. All these were created in 6days. While some Christians share the notion that the creation story cannot be taken literally, it doesn't still give a testable account for existence. It's full of gaps and sadly that what alot of people believe however no evidence it happened that way, instead evidence says it happened some other way in science.
I will highlight why these cannot be accepted by science and the scientific view with evidence.

1. Humans weren't created from clay: it's okay to twist that passage how ever you like but it doest change humans and every other organism on earth are made primarily from hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, phosphorus, iron, calcium and potassium, because of this the evidence before us points to the fact that organisms including humans are a product of dead large stars in the universe and remains of the big bang.
How did we know this? Stellar cycle and supernova.
We have studied several stars using all sort of methologies including spectrophotometery, telescopy etc and found out thay stars are nuclear reactors; they fuse two nuclei of atoms to form a larger atom releasing energy in the process in the nuclear fussion reaction. Small stars like our sun fuse smaller nuclei of hydrogen to form helium at some point then later they will start fusing helium to form larger elements. Larger stars like the betelguse and UY scuti fuse larger atoms to form carbon, iron, phosphorus, calcium etc, they later explode in a supernovae to disperse all these elements into space. Literally, all naturally occurring elements including those you are made of and except hydrogen were made in stars long before we existed. There are no other known source of elements naturally unless in stars.


So no, you are made of soil, evidence says that you are made of star particles. You are literally the reminant of stars.

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Did star remnants create spirits, or even this uniquely beautiful, ordered planet and galaxy that a lot of care and wisdom apparently went into? When one sees a beautiful car, building, or clothing item for example... does one not compliment either the manufacturer, architect or designer? Did those things just happen from some disaster or rather through some thought and effort? Why do people have the tendency to credit other people/mortals, but hesitate to give thanks, praise and glory to GOD?

"Oh, that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness, And for His wonderful works to the children of men!" - Psalm 107:8

Biblical matters are a matter of faith, but GOD not only gives us faith to believe in Him unto salvation but has mercifully given us some ability to reasonably recognize that which cannot be logically denied!

Denials will continue, but I tell you, no one can escape dealing with the Almighty Creator GOD - either via merciful, unmerited justification because of the work of and belief in the Lord JESUS, the Messiah... or via righteous judgment for sin.

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"There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." - Proverbs 14:12

"...let God be true but every man a liar... " - Romans 3:4

Fact!

The Eternal Word made all things!
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." - John 1:1-4

"By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." - Hebrews 11:3

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Did star remnants create spirits, or even this uniquely beautiful, ordered planet and galaxy that a lot of care and wisdom apparently went into? When one sees a beautiful car, building, or clothing item for example... does one not compliment either the manufacturer, architect or designer? Did those things just happen from some disaster or rather through some thought and effort? Why do people have the tendency to credit other people/mortals, but hesitate to give thanks, praise and glory to GOD?

"Oh, that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness, And for His wonderful works to the children of men!" - Psalm 107:8

Biblical matters are a matter of faith, but GOD not only gives us faith to believe in Him unto salvation but has mercifully given us some ability to reasonably recognize that which cannot be logically denied!

Denials will continue, but I tell you, no one can escape dealing with the Almighty Creator GOD - either via merciful, unmerited justification because of the work of and belief in the Lord JESUS, the Messiah... or via righteous judgment for sin.

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"There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." - Proverbs 14:12

"...let God be true but every man a liar... " - Romans 3:4

Fact!

The Eternal Word made all things!
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." - John 1:1-4

"By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." - Hebrews 11:3

Nothing is true unless it has evidence. It doesnt matter how sweet the theory sounds, it's not true if it cannot be tested

I believe there's a supernatural force but I don't believe in so many things in the bible

Workch:
Nothing is true unless it has evidence. It doesnt matter how sweet the theory sounds, it's not true if it cannot be tested

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As you wish...

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." - Hebrews 11:6

"And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!” Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:26-28

The Bible's Author doesn't need your approval for authentication!

He said By the time all those who think they are wise on this planet are worried over what is causing uncontrollable killings through the earth, His own people will be busy gathering peace lovers from different races throughout the earth, and they will have to divert all their resources to making spiritual food while others are spending billions of dollars to manufacture weapons, His own people will settle all racial disputes and prejudice affecting others who are not part of His people, His people will stop thinking of wars neither will they learn war strategy anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4 God repeatedly said the same thing at Micah 4:1-3

So instead of arguing blindly over what you can't understand why not go straight to what you can see which is WARS and KILLINGS here and there, use your Scientific discoveries and whatever to resolve the issue causing wars in any group and let the world SEE how truly intelligent you and your cohorts are! Job 5:13
Let's us see just one group of Scientists whose brains is working out how love and peace will reign if not globally just within their own group!

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Did star remnants create spirits, or even this uniquely beautiful, ordered planet and galaxy that a lot of care and wisdom apparently went into? When one sees a beautiful car, building, or clothing item for example... does one not compliment either the manufacturer, architect or designer? Did those things just happen from some disaster or rather through some thought and effort? Why do people have the tendency to credit other people/mortals, but hesitate to give thanks, praise and glory to GOD?

"Oh, that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness, And for His wonderful works to the children of men!" - Psalm 107:8

Biblical matters are a matter of faith, but GOD not only gives us faith to believe in Him unto salvation but has mercifully given us some ability to reasonably recognize that which cannot be logically denied!

Denials will continue, but I tell you, no one can escape dealing with the Almighty Creator GOD - either via merciful, unmerited justification because of the work of and belief in the Lord JESUS, the Messiah... or via righteous judgment for sin.

--------

"There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." - Proverbs 14:12

"...let God be true but every man a liar... " - Romans 3:4

Fact!

The Eternal Word made all things!
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." - John 1:1-4

"By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." - Hebrews 11:3

What is a spirit?

So you think setting up a system where living organisms need to feed on other living organisms is evidence of wisdom? Really?

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As you wish...

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." - Hebrews 11:6

"And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!” Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:26-28

The Bible is not a testable evidence. How can we test that?

See despairation!

Workch:
. It's full of gaps and sadly that what alot of people believe however no evidence it happened that way...

1. Humans weren't created from clay:

The Bible said "dust" and rats, chickens, dead animals and and dead men prove by their deaths, the "dustiness" of their making.


So just as many things in this world, you do not know how they were formed but when you see their end, the nature of their form is revealed.

Workch:

it's okay to twist that passage how ever you like but it doest change humans and every other organism on earth are made primarily from hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, phosphorus, iron, calcium and potassium,

Besides the fact that I can call those compounds, olele for oxygen, itipa for hydrogen, inu for carbon, they do not have any weight or value for the last time those chemicals were put together, a man was not made.

So you are talking rubbish!

Workch:

because of this the evidence before us points to the fact that organisms including humans are a product of dead large stars

Living stars, dead stars, half dead stars Too much Star Trek and Movie Stars!

Workch:

in the universe and remains of the big bang

How did we know this? Stellar cycle and supernova..

Ngozi circle says Stella is a Liar!

Workch:

We have studied several stars

You? study?

Workch:

using all sort of methologies including
spectrophotometery, telescopy etc and found out thay stars are nuclear reactors; they fuse two nuclei of atoms to form a larger atom releasing energy in the process in the [b]nuclear fussion [/b]reaction.

No be only nuclear funsho, na extended kunle and Atomic Kabiru

LordReed:


What is a spirit?

So you think setting up a system where living organisms need to feed on other living organisms is evidence of wisdom? Really?

Lol, you that is wise cannot even tie your shoe laces, who your yeye wisdom help? As you wise reach, we've not read your own book or seen your followers asides your few minions here. Better be a fool for Jesus like they say, your wisdom never get advantage. Na just English.

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Lol, you that is wise cannot even tie your shoe laces, who your yeye wisdom help? As you wise reach, we've not read your own book or seen your followers asides your few minions here. Better be a fool for Jesus like they say, your wisdom never get advantage. Na just English.

Lagbaja Nothing For You!



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