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Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Yinkusgold: 4:56pm On Jul 21, 2021
Kobojunkie:
What do you think Jesus Christ meant when He declared the following....


in response to the irrelevant passage you cited matthew 23 vs 6 - 10.
he was basically speaking of scribes and pharisee who in their hypocritical and over-board nature tend 2 be seen and religious, he told them don't call them master, teacher e.t.c and not against teaching or preaching the gospel. don't quote rubbish and don't break ur head with unneccesary and irrelevant citation.
He said in Matthew 28 vs 19 "go ye therefore and teach all nations, babtizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit."

Mark 16 vs 15 - 16
(15) "and he said unto them go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature"
(16) "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"

can u see clearly now?
problem with ur likes is dat u just pick a verse in d bible without wide consultation & form a religion around it, this is idiotic!
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Yinkusgold: 5:44pm On Jul 21, 2021
Kobojunkie:
1. What do you think God meant when He declared the following

2. And what did Jesus Christ mean when He said the following

In the first passage promise to judah.
2nd Jesus was speaking to those who were doubting him "is this not carpenter's son?" he then began to speak he even cited that old testament passage. this doesn't negate evangelism still because Jesus took the prequsite step first of evangelism before crowd came over. he also said there will be joy over a lost sheep that is found.
Mark 16 vs 15 - 16 "he said unto them go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature (16) he that believeth and is baptised shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"
that's Jesus Christ speaking directly because that's what u like before and not quoting of old testaments prophet.
envagelism/soul winningis real.
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Kobojunkie: 6:24pm On Jul 21, 2021
Yinkusgold:

check d meaning of soul winning if it's giving u so much headache. & he actually told his disciples 2 evangelize (win souls).
besides, his earthly age was around 33 years old & he was only represented mainly in few repetive gospels so until dey list all good & sensibles deeds 4 u, u won't know d right thing 2 do. he didn't tell u 2 wait @ zebra crossing, flush ur toilet e.t.c
bible even states dat it didn't record all events e.g chronicle and an account of john.
think ok.
The sin that even the Pharisees were condemned by Jesus Christ for in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 is tampering with God's Law as established for they took it on themselves to add/change commandments and even remove commandments from God's own Law, this in disobedience of God's own commandmentundecided

The Pharisees also believed , like you, that God's Law was incomplete and needed am infusion of additional doctrines and traditions, other ideas as well. undecided

If you believe that Jesus Christ was a fool who didn't know what He was doing and God an eejit who couldn't even get His Law out to His own in its completion, go right ahead, continue to gorge yourself on the doctrines and traditions of men, which are an abomination to God. undecided
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Kobojunkie: 6:27pm On Jul 21, 2021
Yinkusgold:

in response to the irrelevant passage you cited matthew 23 vs 6 - 10.
he was basically speaking of scribes and pharisee who in their hypocritical and over-board nature tend 2 be seen and religious, he told them don't call them master, teacher e.t.c and not against teaching or preaching the gospel. don't quote rubbish and don't break ur head with unneccesary and irrelevant citation.
He said in Matthew 28 vs 19 "go ye therefore and teach all nations, babtizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit."

Mark 16 vs 15 - 16
(15) "and he said unto them go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature"
(16) "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"

can u see clearly now?
problem with ur likes is dat u just pick a verse in d bible without wide consultation & form a religion around it, this is idiotic!
I see where your understanding of what is written is. Well, if you want to believe as you do, go right ahead! undecided
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Kobojunkie: 6:28pm On Jul 21, 2021
Yinkusgold:

In the first passage promise to judah.
2nd Jesus was speaking to those who were doubting him "is this not carpenter's son?" he then began to speak he even cited that old testament passage. this doesn't negate evangelism still because Jesus took the prequsite step first of evangelism before crowd came over. he also said there will be joy over a lost sheep that is found.
Mark 16 vs 15 - 16 "he said unto them go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature (16) he that believeth and is baptised shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"
that's Jesus Christ speaking directly because that's what u like before and not quoting of old testaments prophet.
envagelism/soul winningis real.
If you believe all you wrote, then go right ahead. undecided
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Yinkusgold: 7:27pm On Jul 21, 2021
Kobojunkie:
If you believe all you wrote, then go right ahead. undecided

it's not my word, it is Jesus'. that's exactly what it is.
my believe in or not is secondary and it's no one's business.
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Yinkusgold: 7:34pm On Jul 21, 2021
Kobojunkie:
I see where your understanding of what is written is. Well, if you want to believe as you do, go right ahead! undecided

it's not my fabrication Jesus addressed the scribes, pharisee, religious people/hypocrites some who will still have today but on evangelism he went straight to the point gbam! no story.
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Kobojunkie: 7:40pm On Jul 21, 2021
Yinkusgold:
it's not my word, it is Jesus'. that's exactly what it is.
my believe in or not is secondary and it's no one's business.
If you believe that , Ok.. undecided
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Kobojunkie: 7:40pm On Jul 21, 2021
Yinkusgold:

it's not my fabrication Jesus addressed the scribes, pharisee, religious people/hypocrites some who will still have today but on evangelism he went straight to the point gbam! no story.
Ok undecided
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Yinkusgold: 7:46pm On Jul 21, 2021
Kobojunkie:
The sin that even the Pharisees were condemned by Jesus Christ for in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 is tampering with God's Law as established for they took it on themselves to add/change commandments and even remove commandments from God's own Law, this in disobedience of God's own commandmentundecided

The Pharisees also believed , like you, that God's Law was incomplete and needed am infusion of additional doctrines and traditions, other ideas as well. undecided

If you believe that Jesus Christ was a fool who didn't know what He was doing and God an eejit who couldn't even get His Law out to His own in its completion, go right ahead, continue to gorge yourself on the doctrines and traditions of men, which are an abomination to God. undecided

u are saying rubbish. u also need holy spirit in ur life for enlightment because u are bound under law and letters.
The bible says in several passages that "if i should give account of this experience, the book will not contain it".
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Yinkusgold: 7:56pm On Jul 21, 2021
Kobojunkie:
The sin that even the Pharisees were condemned by Jesus Christ for in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 is tampering with God's Law as established for they took it on themselves to add/change commandments and even remove commandments from God's own Law, this in disobedience of God's own commandmentundecided

The Pharisees also believed , like you, that God's Law was incomplete and needed am infusion of additional doctrines and traditions, other ideas as well. undecided

If you believe that Jesus Christ was a fool who didn't know what He was doing and God an eejit who couldn't even get His Law out to His own in its completion, go right ahead, continue to gorge yourself on the doctrines and traditions of men, which are an abomination to God. undecided
don't mis-interpret no law is removed all is required of u is better understanding. there is nothing wrong against doing good.
e.g evangelism. dat is not christ was condemning them for.
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Kobojunkie: 8:06pm On Jul 21, 2021
Yinkusgold:

don't mis-interpret no law is removed all is required of u is better understanding. there is nothing wrong against doing good.
e.g evangelism. dat is not christ was condemning them for.
Ok undecided
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Kobojunkie: 8:06pm On Jul 21, 2021
Yinkusgold:


u are saying rubbish. u also need holy spirit in ur life for enlightment because u are bound under law and letters.
The bible says in several passages that "if i should give account of this experience, the book will not contain it".
Ok undecided
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by triplechoice(m): 8:08pm On Jul 21, 2021
The pastors were sacked because the system which LFC operates is now working against them. More sacking is coming unless something changes. The church and the members continue to live in denial



Why would a Church registered as a non profit organisation employ pastors and put them on a fixed salary not allowances from
the irregular tithes and offerings given by the faithful? How does that make any sense to anyone?


I don't see how those pastors would have been sacked if their pastoring was voluntary.


Pastors who work or operate voluntarily in other churches do it wholeheartedly because they believe they were called by God and he, God, would provide what they need to survive as long as they continue to serve him.

This is what some of us, in the past, observed, knew and understood while growing up and attending churches .

These days everything keeps changing and people are getting confused

What I see in LFC is very close to how a ponzi scheme operates where Peter(the faithful) is being robbed to pay Paul (pastors) and when it becomes difficult to get any new "Paul" things start to crumble. Sacking of pastors and closing of churches starts to happen.

BTW when did we start having the words; pastors, employ, salary and sack in the same sentence? Is it that these Pentecostal churches are operating with a different Bible ?

I also like to ask , does church growth now means more members or the impact a few faithful members have on the larger society?

Has the statement "many are called but a few chosen changed to many are called but many must be chosen ?
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Yinkusgold: 8:17pm On Jul 21, 2021
Kobojunkie:
The sin that even the Pharisees were condemned by Jesus Christ for in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 is tampering with God's Law as established for they took it on themselves to add/change commandments and even remove commandments from God's own Law, this in disobedience of God's own commandmentundecided

The Pharisees also believed , like you, that God's Law was incomplete and needed am infusion of additional doctrines and traditions, other ideas as well. undecided

If you believe that Jesus Christ was a fool who didn't know what He was doing and God an eejit who couldn't even get His Law out to His own in its completion, go right ahead, continue to gorge yourself on the doctrines and traditions of men, which are an abomination to God. undecided
dat matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 is not relevant in dis case i wan't 2 tell u, in dat ur knowledge or appreciation of God can't be enhanced by single knowledge source.
e.g adam and eve in the garden how did they spread is through incest?
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Kobojunkie: 8:18pm On Jul 21, 2021
Yinkusgold:

dat matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 is not relevant in dis case i wan't 2 tell u, in dat ur knowledge or appreciation of God can't be enhanced by single knowledge source.
e.g adam and eve in the garden how did they spread is through incest?
Ok undecided
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Yinkusgold: 8:43pm On Jul 21, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Ok undecided

the point i am making is that having knowledge in or atleast open to bible, science e.g genetics, physics, paleotology, history, philosophy suggest you are wise since they all play one role or the other if you need enlightment including biblical explanation or understanding from historical point view e.g jewish culture, genetic point of view e.g the journey of man from the "garden" u need to broaden your mind and embrace light and wisdom for a better and informed engagement rather than being rigid sticking to one inadequate spot that u don't even understand or master.
#broadknowledge
#illumination
#wisdom
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Kobojunkie: 8:47pm On Jul 21, 2021
Yinkusgold:

the point i am making is that having knowledge in or atleast open to bible, science e.g genetics, physics, paleotology, history, philosophy suggest you are wise since they all play one role or the other if you need enlightment including biblical explanation or understanding from historical point view e.g jewish culture, genetic point of view e.g the journey of man from the "garden" u need to broaden your mind and embrace light and wisdom for a better and informed engagement rather than being rigid sticking to one inadequate spot that u don't even understand or master.
#broadknowledge
#illumination
#wisdom
If this is what you believe instead, good for you! undecided
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by davidque: 11:55pm On Jul 21, 2021
kingxsamz:


Lol, funny guy. No need to cry on my mention. What about the other countries I mentioned? What's stopping them? cheesy

What is stopping you is the right question. try using a crane to remove the iroko in your eyes before you can have a moral ground to question anybody
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Yinkusgold: 4:29am On Jul 22, 2021
Kobojunkie:
If this is what you believe instead, good for you! undecided

there is no any "instead" here.
God is light, Omniscience.
He is not a muslim, christian, jew, budhist, shintoist, including your own belief e.t.c with broad and open mind and not rigid mind we can know more about him.
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by daygee12: 7:03am On Jul 22, 2021
Salt06:

Bishop Oyedepo built his first church when he was 16 in a village he was posted to after taking a part time teaching job as a youngster. He was posted to assist someone who was on maternity leave. He said to his dismay there was no church there even catholic so he began door to door evangelism after getting an interpreter. Before leaving, they erected a mud church. On his departure after 52 days of been in that village, he was gifted a lamp and the eldest man in the community presented it and prayed for him that the light he had brought to them would reach the world. He handed the church to the missionary church closest to the location.
Even livigg faith headquarters in Otta that is budding now was formerly a bushy area

Is he to old or too rich to go to village again for evangelism? Tell him to leave and go to the village
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Salt06(m): 7:21am On Jul 22, 2021
daygee12:


Is he to old or too rich to go to village again for evangelism? Tell him to leave and go to the village
wink
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Salt06(m): 7:28am On Jul 22, 2021
daygee12:


Is he to old or too rich to go to village again for evangelism? Tell him to leave and go to the village
undecided
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Nobody: 8:05am On Jul 22, 2021
Image123:


This is one big real facepalm. Who mentioned fruit of the Spirit? Being fruitful is not ONLY the fruit of the Spirit.

Who mentioned fruits of the spirit? I thought we were talking about bearing fruits here?
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Image123(m): 10:48am On Jul 22, 2021
HedwigesMaduro:


Who mentioned fruits of the spirit? I thought we were talking about bearing fruits here?

We were talking about bearing fruits, not about bearing fruit of the Spirit. You are the one evidently limiting fruit bearing to only fruit of the Spirit.
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Nobody: 12:09pm On Jul 22, 2021
Image123:


We were talking about bearing fruits, not about bearing fruit of the Spirit. You are the one evidently limiting fruit bearing to only fruit of the Spirit.

So, which fruits are you expected to bear? Mangoes and oranges?
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Kobojunkie: 12:41pm On Jul 22, 2021
Yinkusgold:

there is no any "instead" here.
God is light, Omniscience.
He is not a muslim, christian, jew, budhist, shintoist, including your own belief e.t.c with broad and open mind and not rigid mind we can know more about him.
If this is what you believe, then good for you. undecided
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Image123(m): 1:53pm On Jul 22, 2021
HedwigesMaduro:


So, which fruits are you expected to bear? Mangoes and oranges?

Asides the fruit of the Spirit, God says to us right from Genesis to be fruitful and multiply. Just a cursory look at the NT, it tells us to bear fruit meet for repentance, good fruit, fruit after our kind Luke 6v34, fruit of understanding and maturity(Matt 13v23), fruit of the kingdom(Matthew 21v43), fruit of the Word of God as seen in the parable of the sower, fruit of the womb, fruit of eternal life, fruit from going out after ordination, fruit of Christlikeness, fruit of working among others Romans 1v13, fruit unto holiness, fruit of the vineyard 1Cor 9v7, fruit of our labour, fruit of all goodness, fruitfulness in every good work, fruit of the earth, and of course the fruit of the tree of life bearing twelve manner of fruits.
Making disciples of all men is a mandate for fruit bearing. The early Christians didn't just sit in Galilee bearing fruit of the Spirit. Grow up please.
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by greenalwaz: 6:30pm On Jul 22, 2021
HigherEd:
First, I would commend the living faith church for the great work in investing churches across rural communities and employing paid 16,000 Pastors to lead those churches.

That said, this controversy allowed me to understand that a vast majority of us Nigerians behave like locust (apologies to anyone offended).

Eat, eat, eat is all they know. Contribution and multiplication is not their concern. Let's just exploit what is available, divide it, eat it and wait for the next supply.

This is why as a people we actually produce so little but consume so very much.
We are a nation of exploiters...

I have learnt personal lessons from this writeup and I would be sure to make personal amends in my own life. Just about condemning those pastors that are running from duty, and the holy spirit reminded me of something that was placed in my hand which failed but I have not given account neither have I replaced it to the person. The person never asked probably cause of our close relationship, and he's rich but that doesn't absolves me of my responsibility to integrity.

1) Never accept to do anything you have no passion for simply because of economic benefits whether fringe or large.

2) Whatever has been committed to your hands by those who invested in you must be nurtured to grow with all your effort.

3) If what has been committed to your hand fails for any reason, have the honor to return it at least the way you met it. Be truthful to your investor. Don't wait till you are fired or cursed out.
As a people we must learn to RESIGN when we see glaringly that we are unqualified or unable to carry certain responsibilities.




Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by Freddd009: 7:44pm On Jul 23, 2021
Still blasting....
Re: Why Winners Pastors Were Sacked By Daniel Breakforth by writeprof(m): 8:23pm On Jul 23, 2021
Thank you OP for this educative and enlightening post. I continue to wonder why the same humans who claim to expect integrity, diligence, hard work, love etc from the Church are ones who would want the same Church to allow all sorts of nonsense by their criticism of the right decisions taken by the Church.

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