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Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by TAO12: 1:44am On Aug 26, 2021 |
mr1759:Because I am kind, I’ll get you out of the confusion you have gotten yourself entangled in. The “Olokun Head” kind of resembles the “IFe Head” of an Ooni. Only those who pay attention to the details would see that they are two different ‘bronze’ heads. I will attach each one of them so you can observe their differences and similarities. The first attachment shows the Olokun Head that was shown to Leo Frobenius at Ife in c.1911. The second attachment is the IFe Head which is one of the 1938 finds at Wunmonije, Ife. Cc: niggadee, r4bbit, Christistruth00, nisai, rhektor, YungMillionaire, theInterpreter, gomojam, Abohboy Adekunle47 10 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by mr1759: 8:36am On Aug 26, 2021 |
Stop telling lies, this first one was the one you people suddenly discover 1938 and was sold to a newspaper company who took it to UK museum and is the only Yoruba art in Uk museum
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Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by mr1759: 8:47am On Aug 26, 2021 |
This other was made of recent since the first one was sold in 1938 you people can’t retrieve it back so you people decided to clone another for IFe museum Bronze making is not Yoruba culture is Benin culture Wood carving is Benin culture The use of bead is Benin culture Edo did not learn anything from Yoruba olokun is a Benin deity and does not look like this image Oduduwa, his son oromiyon, his grandchildren are not Yoruba people. Oduduwa came from Benin not the sky nor Mecca
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Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by TAO12: 9:58am On Aug 26, 2021 |
I thought you could be helped, I didn’t know you’re a frustrated pig. Carry on and dwell in your show of shame and misery. I’m sure your descendants can’t wait to further carry on the generational misery from wherever you stop. PS: (1) Notes on the Olokun Head including its year of discovery can be read up in this comment featuring the words of Leo Frobenius himself. (2) Notes on the IFe Head including the year of its discovery can be read up here at the British Museum. Cheers! 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by nisai: 10:35am On Aug 26, 2021 |
TAO12:Tao, u relate to Ibadan some how? 3 Likes |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by nisai: 10:38am On Aug 26, 2021 |
Christistruth00: 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by nisai: 10:40am On Aug 26, 2021 |
YungMillionaire:You finish work. Nice one. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by mr1759: 11:11am On Aug 26, 2021 |
YungMillionaire: Why are you not happy to hear the truth the size of Benin those not matter but the greatness in them Britain is a small country but colonies the world, tell your friends the Yoruba to Stop writing history for Benin’s they should mind their business a lot of our history will hurt them because we are telling the truth |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by TAO12: 11:18am On Aug 26, 2021 |
Who Oduduwa is NOT: There is no such historical personage called Izoduwa, (or Imadoduwa) in Benin traditions. Such account of a certain Izoduwa is a relatively new one which was fabricated by some Bini in the 1970s. This account was unheard of by the Binis (and in fact the whole world) until during the coronation party of the incoming Omo-n-oba Erediauwa in 1978-9. Historians the world over (professional and academic ones, not the neighborhood story tellers of Benin) all mock the ‘Izoduwa’ fabrication for its poor execution. This Izoduwa narrative is well known to historians as pseudo-history. The elders of Benin kingdom are also aware of its inherently disgraceful nature. A leading scholar of pre-colonial Benin history puts it as follows: “However, a student of ancient Benin might feel obliged to reject the apocryphal versions without hestitation as deliberately unauthentic. There are no their records made before the early 1970s*, … Their authors are representatives of the nationalistically-minded part of the Bini intelligentsia who are seeking to ground the idea of an exceptional antiquity for their people and claims for its exclusive part in the sociopolitical life of independent Nigeria*.” Dmitri M. Bondarenko, “Adevent of the Second (Oba) Dynasty of Benin: Another Assessment of a Benin History Key Point,” History in Africa, 2003, Vol. 30, pp.67-68. Another scholar (academic and professional historian) of Benin roots puts it as in the attached screenshot. He points out the fact that it is this pseudo-history which tries to alter Oduduwa’s name into Izoduwa and not the other way round. ————— The classical and original Benin story of Ekeladerhan was first collected in the year 1889 by Cyril Punch. The account as recorded by C. Punch in 1889 has it that Ekaladerhan fled from Benin due to some scandal. But that, after much back and forth between him and the Benin government, a truce was reached and he was allowed his independent life in his new kingdom of Ughoton. Fast forward from 1889 to the 1930s, a chronicler of Benin traditions emerged in Benin. He is a native and a chief of the land. He went on to collect accounts of Benin traditions from the royal palace. He obtained the story of Ekaladerhan, and what he was told is the exact same story that had been told to Cyril Punch by an entirely different generation of Bini informants — that is, Ekalderhan was allowed to live the rest of his life in his newly founded kingdom of Ughoton. In other words, during these period (i.e. from the pre-1800s through the 1930s) Benin history and tradition recognizes Ekeladerhan as being a different & distinct person from Oduduwa. In fact, the early records of Benin traditions by Chief J. U. Egharevba has it that Oduduwa was already the king of Ife when the first Ogiso of ‘Benin’ was reigning. Whereas, this Ekeladerhan is generally agreed in all of Benin historical traditions to be the son of the last Ogiso. And there are many Ogiso rulers who reigned. As such, the early records of Benin traditions are aware that Oduduwa and Ekaladerhan are completely different and distinct persons who lived in different eras — Oduduwa, at the start of the Ogiso monarchy: and Ekaladerhan, at the end of the Ogiso monarchy. Fast forward to the 1970s, lies began to surface in the history of Benin. These lies appears to be rooted in the low-self-esteem of at least the incoming oba who attempted to veil what must have appeared to him to be an embarrassing aspect of Benin history. As such, his team attempted to convert Oduduwa into a Bini man (by equating him to be one and the same person as Ekaladerhan, and also saying that his name “Oduduwa” is a Yoruba corruption of a certain Bini word “Izoduwa”). If successful, then he would have managed to erase the core of Benin history. He would have managed to say that the second dynasty of Benin (the Oba dynasty) was not a foreign one. But unfortunately for him and his team, history has its way of always proving itself. In other words, even according to the actual Benin traditions, Oduduwa is not Ekaladerhan. Oduduwa is not iZoDuWa. Oduduwa is not a Bini. Peace! Screenshot Reference: J. Eboreime, “Oral Traditions and the Prehistory of the Edo-Speaking People of Benin” in Blench and Spriggs, Archaeology and Language I, Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, p. 314. Cc: niggadee, Christistruth00, nisai, YungMillionaire, rhektor, theInterpreter, gomojam, Adekunle47, r4bbit 11 Likes 6 Shares
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Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by TAO12: 11:18am On Aug 26, 2021 |
Who Oduduwa Is: Having pointed out that the 1970s Izoduwa joke has no basis in history; what then do the historical studies say today on the roots of Oduduwa in the light of the earliest traditions and other source evidence?? Oduduwa ruled as king only in Yorubaland, so a fair inquiry into his roots must necessarily proceed with an examination of the Yorubas’ earliest traditions on his roots. Having said that, because his rule was at Ife I would begin with a description of Ife’s topography. The archaeological survey of the Ife country shows it to lie in a high bowl surrounded by hills which form a watershed for streams flowing out via gaps between the hills. Paul Ozanne’s 1969 report of his archaeological survey finds that many settlements were already on ground in the Ife country by circa 350 BCE. These settlements increased in number and size over time, and by 900AD when great changes began in the area, these settlements must have been up to the 13 whose names have been passed via the traditions to the present century. These settlements include: Iloromu (which lay along a stretch of today’s Ife-Ilesha road); Ideta (which lay along today’s road to Mokuro); Odin (which lay along the modern road to Ifewara); Iwinrin (which covered the area of today’s Koiwo and Oronno quarters); Omologun (which covered part of what is now OAU campus); Imojubi (which lay along today’s Ife-Ondo road); Ijugbe; Oke-Oja; & Iraye (which all lay west of the area now known as Modakeke). The sites of Ido; Oke-Awo; Iloran and Parakin are difficult to asserctain. The other settlements whose names have also come down to us through the traditions are: Ilare, Esije, Ita-Yemoo, Orun-Oba-Ado (after the burial site), Ilara, and Idio. King Oduduwa of Ife (even before becoming the king of the Ife country) was first widely known (and passed down till date by the early traditions) as Ọṣìn-Ọrà; i.e., the Head of Ora community. Ọrà (or aptly: Òkè-Ọrà — that is, Ọrà-Hill) was an old hilly settlement in the Ife country, particularly sited in the Iloromu part of the country. The traditions recall that it was in this hilly community of Ọrà that Oduduwa’s homeland was prior to moving down into the Omologun area of the “Ife bowl”. After the long civil-conflict between the autochthones of the “Ife-bowl” and the new groups who continued to join them (a conflict which appears from an in-depth analysis of the traditions to have preceded Oduduwa himself), he moved his base from the partly ruined compounds of Omologun to Idio on a low hill which gently slopes in all directions. It was from this new base (at Idio) that the new task of reorganizing the newly emerging city of Ile-Ife began. Ife thus became one single kingdom in contrast to the former confederation of kingdoms of the pre-existing settlements. The project of building a protective wall around the city was also launched. Peace: Cc: niggadee, Christistruth00, nisai, YungMillionaire, rhektor, theInterpreter, gomojam, Adekunle47, r4bbit PS: Out of “curiosity”, would someone please tell me the name of Pa IDU’s father — yes, the so-called Pa Idu, his own father. Lol. Thanks. 12 Likes 7 Shares |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by mr1759: 11:18am On Aug 26, 2021 |
olawalepopoola: They have been lying to you, if you have sense you write that the new olu of Warri almost lost his throne because his mother came from Yoruba that is to tell the blood of Yoruba is not needed yet you call itsekiri Yoruba liar go and make consultations before you start claiming others , You people should stop this your stupid claims of others here and there |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by olawalepopoola: 11:33am On Aug 26, 2021 |
mr1759:Say what you like. Itsekiris are Yorubas and that can't be changed. History class is your best bet. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by TAO12: 11:55am On Aug 26, 2021 |
nisai:Lmao! Yes, and all Yorubas are in some ways interrelated. I know why you’re asking. You wicked. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by nisai: 12:16pm On Aug 26, 2021 |
TAO12:Abi. Na Ibadan people area of expertise be that. Ao ni eke ebu ni ijebu ati ile awori now. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by mr1759: 3:38pm On Aug 26, 2021 |
TAO12: Oduduwa is not a Yoruba man he find himself in ife and you people refuse to ask him where he came from or chose hide his identity ( he was a Benin man) His son oromiyan , his grandchild Oba Eweka the then Oba of Benin non of then are Yoruba Ife is not the only kingdom Benin prince have established Lastly egharevba the then historian you quote about Benin history is not a Benin man he is a Yoruba man with Edo name All early Yoruba art work are from Benin. Thanks for your understanding |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by TAO12: 3:46pm On Aug 26, 2021 |
mr1759:This revision of yours is unfortunately an epic fail lad. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by Christistruth00: 4:38pm On Aug 26, 2021 |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by Morenikeji090(m): 2:25am On Aug 27, 2021 |
Benin are the crazy folks. We Yoruba don't even have ur time. Yoruba are far better than you folks in anything. For the fact ur king sit is ours and ur king will continue to be under our yoruba king. Oni of Ife and Alafin of Oyo. Wake up Benin's u got no level compare to Yoruba's we are superior lolz 6 Likes |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by mr1759: 4:01am On Aug 27, 2021 |
Morenikeji090: Nor dey vex because we vex pass una The only documented black history European and other historians in other part of the world study in Nigeria is Benin history because they are documented go to all the museum in Europe and America you will see thousands of Benin art work with inscription The rest are stories especially that of Yoruba history just stories how obatala gave birth to twins then the twins became triplet stories, Do you have a king? No you don’t , all you have is appointee Kings are born not chosen at a random Till date the oldest family in Africa is Oba of Benin family even the European attest to that Oduduwa who the Yoruba claim is their Christopher Columbus who is he and where did he come from if you can answer me sincerely then I will accept that his grandchild Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba man |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by Morenikeji090(m): 4:38am On Aug 27, 2021 |
Go ask ur oba of. Benin... Lolz Yoruba lead take it or leave I have nothing to discuss with... We Yoruba own ur king sit... We control ur oba sit.. Ur oba sit is our sit.. mr1759: 4 Likes |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by Morenikeji090(m): 4:47am On Aug 27, 2021 |
Even ur language is not recognized in the world.. Lolz see Benin never near at. All Yoruba are far away from you folks... Education & money & civilization & who is Benin people... U people are not Yoruba we don't want you people go away. History prove it.. We own ur oba sit and ur king is under our king period. mr1759: 4 Likes |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by Abohboy: 12:43pm On Aug 27, 2021 |
mr1759: You do realize carbon dating exists 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by Abohboy: 12:45pm On Aug 27, 2021 |
mr1759: A lot of artefacts were lost or destroyed during the yoruba civil war had it not occured there would be ten times more yoruba artefacts in European museums then Benin artefacts but even with a whole civil war and mass slave raiding we still had and still have a lot of artefacts available and many are still being discovered till this day. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by rhektor(m): 2:35pm On Aug 28, 2021 |
mr1759: You have taken more 1759 than your brain can handle. Let the hangover get over you then come back and retract this poo 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by mr1759: 3:44am On Aug 30, 2021 |
Abohboy: Oga Yoruba nor fight any war, ife modakeke is a modern fight of mid 19 century it was never a war, but communal disagreement over boarder or missing goat , one thing your historian didn’t tell you is that before 18 century we have no records of a place called Yoruba land in 18 century backward, we are aware of ife , ijebu , oyo, but we have never heard of the word Yoruba until 19 century we Benin have a lot of history with the western Nigeria we know you people very well before few of this so-call Yoruba historians started painting history to put a group of people who cannot kill a fly, peaceful people as warriors and you expect us the protectors of southern Nigeria to keep quiet Fulani took over Yoruba peacefully without resistance, we only have the bight of Benin why not bight of Yoruba if they were really there. Benin fought war conquer major part of Nigeria, Portugal most times send us their army and weapon eg idah war in kogi state, outside Oba of Benin, king attah of idah was the second most feared king, not ife not oyo not Yoruba king, we fought British government a country Nigeria cannot even dare to fight we fought even if they defeated us , but we had our honor and our pride we are warriors, don’t use biro and paper to place us behind Yoruba. Yoruba did not fight war, And did not loose any treasures to any group there’s no evidence to backup that claim. |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by mr1759: 4:05am On Aug 30, 2021 |
rhektor: Go and read , forget those obatala stories Forget laramode a Yoruba man who brought Islam from Mecca in 14 century to Yoruba land , when we know over here that it was usman Dan fodio who brought Islam yesterday in 18 century to Yoruba land . Benin is the father of Yoruba, oduduwa is a Benin man |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by rhektor(m): 6:03am On Aug 31, 2021 |
mr1759: If not that you are too dull to understand whatever you read, before Usman Dan Fodio ever thought of carrying out jihad in Northern part of this present day Nigeria, Islam has been in Yorùbá land. Y'all just come to nairaland to disgrace yourselves. Which Bini is father of who? Bini that were urinating in their wrapper when they heard that Ogedengbe of Ijesha is coming 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by mr1759: 4:36pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
rhektor: Ogedegbe Yoruba claim is the greatest Yoruba man ever, was just a common thief, a bandit, he will flog Yoruba king with cane and get away with their food and valuables, Na this Mu,mu you say e come benin kingdom you nor well , a place that took Britain to go and borrow weapons to fight during the the third coming,, this ogedegbe story and propaganda has prove to me that there was no man in the west , imagine this sick looking man ravaged the entire south west alone
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Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by mr1759: 4:52pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
Bronze casting , wood carvings, beads , using market days to mark date, royalty or kingship by primogenitor etc are all Benin inventions. |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by theInterpreter: 11:06pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
Abohboy:are you not Igbo? |
Re: Benin Own Ife Bronze by Abohboy: 7:22am On Sep 01, 2021 |
theInterpreter: my dad is igbo and my mom is yoruba |
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