The Christian Alcohol Debate

This morning I closely followed the Christian Alcohol Debate on the Nigerian Twitter street and it was fascinating.

A Lady triggered the debate with this salvo:

"You cannot worship Jesus and drink alcohol"

She was countered with this:

When Jesus Himself drank alcohol.

"Then he took a cup of wine, thanked God for it, and gave it to them. He said, “Each one of you drink some of it" - Matthew 26:27

Someone replied him with this:

..You can't be fill with the spirit while tipsy ! Ephesians 5:18

Another person quoted this:

The Son of Man came eating and DRINKING, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is justified by her children.” Matt 11:19
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Mee:

Yes, from authentic Biblical source Jesus drank wine. Then I asked myself what is "wine"?

Check this:

"Wine is an alcoholic drink typically made from fermented grapes. Yeast consumes the sugar in the grapes and converts it to ethanol, carbon dioxide and heat. Different varieties of grapes and strains of yeasts are major factors in different styles of wine."

It is obvious from some verses of the Bible that getting drunk from alcoholic drinks is condemned. Gluttonous consumption of alcoholic drinks leads to alcoholism (Alcoholism is the most severe form of alcohol abuse and involves the inability to manage drinking habits. It is also commonly referred to as alcohol use disorder.)

At the advent of Islam, drinking Alcohol was legal. Some Muslims were freely drinking Alcohol then. The problems started arising when some of them got drunk and during prayers they will misbehave. Then a Verse was revealed that "You should no pray while under the influence of alcohol". And this Quranic verse reminded me of the verse in the Bible: ..You can't be fill with the spirit while tipsy ! Ephesians 5:18. Then at last another Verse was revealed that totally banned the consumption of alcoholic drinks.

Historically, Christians drink alcoholic drinks but the major problem has always been to establish a demarcation line of moderate drinking and drinking in excess. It is universally accepted that drinking Alcohol in excess is a disease that needed cure.

It is a known fact of history that alcoholism has destroyed countless people and destroyed countless families. Some people addicted to alcohol easily commit suicide when getting doses become difficult. I think this is the main reason why a Christian minority is challenging the legality of alcohol consumption in Christianity.

Conclusion:

After much consideration, my candid opinion is that really alcohol has some advantages but the disadvantages out weight the advantages. And this my opinion does not diminish my respect for some of my Christian Friends who take alcohol. God Knows Best!

Harun Elbinawi
elbinawi@yahoo.com
Elbinawi.

well alcohol is not the problem, addiction is.

Na we Nigerians dey misyearn.

The oyinbo gave their Wine definition as a fermented fruit, definitely having alcohol. And they’ve been taking their wine from time immemorial and seeing nothing bad in drinking it.

Though there are non-alcoholic wines which have the alcohol of the fermented fruit removed and still retaining the flavour of the wine

I never pray when alcohol is in my system no matter how small ..such prayers can never key

Amotolongbo:
Na we Nigerians dey misyearn.

The oyinbo gave their Wine definition as a fermented fruit, definitely having alcohol. And they’ve been taking their wine from time immemorial.

Though there are non-alcoholic wines which have the alcohol of the fermented fruit removed and still retaining the flavour of the wine

check the meaning of fermented wine before talking rubbish

Arda1000:
check the meaning of fermented wine before talking rubbish

”fermented wine”?

Your brain must be paining you

Me like this.... I don't have time for anything that is nonsense....



I buy my wine and sip it as I want.... I get tipsy and I sleep.... I wake up go hustle..... get paid and go to church and dance to God and do my offering and go home and rest.... if you like, preach say wine no good... e no consine me....

As a Christian, some people condemning alcohol intake are busy commiting adultery and fornication... Some are liars and others are thieves... Many others with terrible behaviors and rude to their neighbors....But they point fingers to every other person except themselves....

Islam would have being the best religion if they can cub their jihadist tendency. They would have made much more better societies because the followers respect the God they serve and follow his instructions. Christians are disobedient followers. Followers who always find passages to justify their wrong doings.

Amotolongbo:
”fermented wine”?

Your brain must be paining you

na only wig Dey head oponu

Arda1000:
na only wig Dey head oponu

What is “fermented wine”?

Just try to prove to us that you are better than the lunatics roaming the street by telling us what “fermented wine” is!

Amotolongbo:
What is “fermented wine”?

Just try to prove to us that you are better than the lunatics roaming the street by telling us what “fermented wine” is!

fermentation in winemaking is what converts grapes into alcohol. ... These yeasts convert the natural sugars of the grapes into ethanol and carbon dioxide (which is a byproduct that gets released into the atmosphere and isn't important for the wine). However, fermentation doesn't just create alcohol.
No be say person wear wig of 1500 be say em get sense

onyegwu:
Islam would have being the best religion if they can cub their jihadist tendency. They would have made much more better societies because the followers respect the God they serve and follow his instructions. Christians are disobedient followers. Followers who always find passages to justify their wrong doings.

You are right. The islamic religion would have been so perfect, if not for those jihadist and terrorist kinda things. The followers follow their tenets to the last core wether it is ideal, old, or doesnt fit into the real sense of the world or not so far as it is stated, they dont care, they obey.
Christianity on the other hand which has no terror or fear, and is very mild and meek with the best freedom you could ever get from a religion, has very adamant followers, who dont really care about their religion. The problem in Christianity is the freedom through christ, it makes Christians misbehave alot. Its like the devil made sure to twist the followers of both religions to suit his perfect agenda. I stand corrected tho.

Arda1000:
fermentation in winemaking is what converts grapes into alcohol. ... These yeasts convert the natural sugars of the grapes into ethanol and carbon dioxide (which is a byproduct that gets released into the atmosphere and isn't important for the wine). However, fermentation doesn't just create alcohol.
No be say person wear wig of 1500 be say em get sense

you see your life?

How is “fermentation in wine making” the same as “fermented wine”?

That is how to know a nairaland member with subzero IQ.

Please go and engage your fellow preteenagers to play with sand

Alcohol is not a sin.

You definitely can't worship God in this Condition

The logic is little bit like that of drugs and drug abuse. Drugs can be abused like alcohol but alcohol in moderation can have good side. The key is the line between moderation and excess

The bible describes Fruit juice and other vegetables juices as wines not necessarily fermented or not.

Unfermented vine was widely used in the bible together with the unleavened bread. Yet when fermented, it reduced Noah to a caricature.

No passage of the bible lays cridence to the assumption that Jesus Christ took any alcohol.

Holy Spirit filled person hadly (for me it's impossible) takes alcohol.

Elbinawi:
The Christian Alcohol Debate

This morning I closely followed the Christian Alcohol Debate on the Nigerian Twitter street and it was fascinating.

A Lady triggered the debate with this salvo:

"You cannot worship Jesus and drink alcohol"

She was countered with this:

When Jesus Himself drank alcohol.

"Then he took a cup of wine, thanked God for it, and gave it to them. He said, “Each one of you drink some of it" - Matthew 26:27

Someone replied him with this:

..You can't be fill with the spirit while tipsy ! Ephesians 5:18

Another person quoted this:

The Son of Man came eating and DRINKING, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is justified by her children.” Matt 11:19
-------------------------

Mee:

Yes, from authentic Biblical source Jesus drank wine. Then I asked myself what is "wine"?

Check this:

"Wine is an alcoholic drink typically made from fermented grapes. Yeast consumes the sugar in the grapes and converts it to ethanol, carbon dioxide and heat. Different varieties of grapes and strains of yeasts are major factors in different styles of wine."

It is obvious from some verses of the Bible that getting drunk from alcoholic drinks is condemned. Gluttonous consumption of alcoholic drinks leads to alcoholism (Alcoholism is the most severe form of alcohol abuse and involves the inability to manage drinking habits. It is also commonly referred to as alcohol use disorder.)

At the advent of Islam, drinking Alcohol was legal. Some Muslims were freely drinking Alcohol then. The problems started arising when some of them got drunk and during prayers they will misbehave. Then a Verse was revealed that "You should no pray while under the influence of alcohol". And this Quranic verse reminded me of the verse in the Bible: ..You can't be fill with the spirit while tipsy ! Ephesians 5:18. Then at last another Verse was revealed that totally banned the consumption of alcoholic drinks.

Historically, Christians drink alcoholic drinks but the major problem has always been to establish a demarcation line of moderate drinking and drinking in excess. It is universally accepted that drinking Alcohol in excess is a disease that needed cure.

It is a known fact of history that alcoholism has destroyed countless people and destroyed countless families. Some people addicted to alcohol easily commit suicide when getting doses become difficult. I think this is the main reason why a Christian minority is challenging the legality of alcohol consumption in Christianity.

Conclusion:

After much consideration, my candid opinion is that really alcohol has some advantages but the disadvantages out weight the advantages. And this my opinion does not diminish my respect for some of my Christian Friends who take alcohol. God Knows Best!

Harun Elbinawi
elbinawi@yahoo.com
Elbinawi.

Drinking alcohol is not a problem, getting drunk and making mockery of yourself is.

Philippians 5 - 15-18 "......do not be drunk with wine, which will ruin you, but be filled with the Spirit".


Drink but don't get drunk, do everything moderately.

Elbinawi:
The Christian Alcohol Debate

This morning I closely followed the Christian Alcohol Debate on the Nigerian Twitter street and it was fascinating.

A Lady triggered the debate with this salvo:

"You cannot worship Jesus and drink alcohol"

She was countered with this:

When Jesus Himself drank alcohol.

"Then he took a cup of wine, thanked God for it, and gave it to them. He said, “Each one of you drink some of it" - Matthew 26:27

Someone replied him with this:

..You can't be fill with the spirit while tipsy ! Ephesians 5:18

Another person quoted this:

The Son of Man came eating and DRINKING, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is justified by her children.” Matt 11:19
-------------------------

Mee:

Yes, from authentic Biblical source Jesus drank wine. Then I asked myself what is "wine"?

Check this:

"Wine is an alcoholic drink typically made from fermented grapes. Yeast consumes the sugar in the grapes and converts it to ethanol, carbon dioxide and heat. Different varieties of grapes and strains of yeasts are major factors in different styles of wine."

It is obvious from some verses of the Bible that getting drunk from alcoholic drinks is condemned. Gluttonous consumption of alcoholic drinks leads to alcoholism (Alcoholism is the most severe form of alcohol abuse and involves the inability to manage drinking habits. It is also commonly referred to as alcohol use disorder.)

At the advent of Islam, drinking Alcohol was legal. Some Muslims were freely drinking Alcohol then. The problems started arising when some of them got drunk and during prayers they will misbehave. Then a Verse was revealed that "You should no pray while under the influence of alcohol". And this Quranic verse reminded me of the verse in the Bible: ..You can't be fill with the spirit while tipsy ! Ephesians 5:18. Then at last another Verse was revealed that totally banned the consumption of alcoholic drinks.

Historically, Christians drink alcoholic drinks but the major problem has always been to establish a demarcation line of moderate drinking and drinking in excess. It is universally accepted that drinking Alcohol in excess is a disease that needed cure.

It is a known fact of history that alcoholism has destroyed countless people and destroyed countless families. Some people addicted to alcohol easily commit suicide when getting doses become difficult. I think this is the main reason why a Christian minority is challenging the legality of alcohol consumption in Christianity.

Conclusion:

After much consideration, my candid opinion is that really alcohol has some advantages but the disadvantages out weight the advantages. And this my opinion does not diminish my respect for some of my Christian Friends who take alcohol. God Knows Best!

Harun Elbinawi
elbinawi@yahoo.com
Elbinawi.

God instructed we should use our tithe to buy alcohol and strong win if it's what we want ... haven't u read that part in the Bible ?

onyegwu:
Islam would have being the best religion if they can cub their jihadist tendency. They would have made much more better societies because the followers respect the God they serve and follow his instructions. Christians are disobedient followers. Followers who always find passages to justify their wrong doings.

I am a Christian bro and I can't agree less with this your fantastic thought.


Many Christians twist the Holy Bible to suit their narratives.
That is why Deeper life will tell you that alcohol is bad while Catholic will tell you to do it moderately.

Mountain of fire will tell you that wearing jewelries and women not covering their head to Church is not Biblical while Christ Embassy will tell you that there is nothing unBiblical about it.


If not for the violent and intolerant nature of many Muslims and their belief that they can fight for God hence their reason for seeing nothing bad in killing people all in the name of Jihad.
Islam would have been a very acceptable religion by many, (myself included).

Hitherto I thought Elbinawi was an extremist but he has proved me wrong with this conservative and thought provoking thread about "Christian alcohol debate".
No disrespect to Christians or Christ in this thread and I must commend him for that.

The analysis is topnotch, well done op