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Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by seanet03: 10:04pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Katsumoto:GBAM!!! I have always assert stranger is the First Born of Tewonde George. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by dankol: 10:10pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
It's a pity d so cald awoists are now turnin round to bite d finger dat fed dem. None of dem can achieve wat awo achieved. Dey all ad free educatn bt dey a are giving partialy free education. Dey are all bastards of awo nd none of dem nt even d asiwaju of ACN cn b esteemd as he ws. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by EkoIle1: 10:43pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Katsumoto: Nice points you made- 1. Now, why are we blaming Tinubu because some writer said what a lot of people are too scared and afraid to say about the evil deeds and destabilizing moves by the Awo camp and their PDP benefactors? 2. Tinubu did not pick this fight, they've been attacking Tinubu and the ACN for ages and the man didn't pay them any attention till this writer in question finally put their BS out there for all to see. 3. I'm 100% sure this incident is new to many people on NL so I understand their naive reasoning. I've been following the Tribune and Awo's family misdeed and orchestrated attacks against the people of the SW, it's leaders including Tinubu everyday on behalf of the PDP. Te Awo people and their Tribune call Tinubu derogatory names and throw baseless accusations and insults at him every day and I don't see any soul on NL standing up to defend Tinubu or call the Tribune and Awo Family to order. Now, you asked what was their to gain by attacking Awo Family. My question to you also is what's there to gain or what purpose does it serve to use Awo's legacy and the Tribune to divide the SW, to throw insults and baseless accusations at the people of the SW and their leaders including Tinubu? You also asserted that the language used was disgusting. My question to you also is was calling Tinubu a felon not a disgusting language? Whatever you are blaming the writer for sounds minuscule in contrast to what the Tribune and the Awo faamily do to Tinubu and the ACN on a daily bases. HID is the chairman of the Tribune, she hired and is paying the Tribune in house writers to attack and pick fights with their perceived opponents on behalf of the PDP, and the fact that these are paid journalists with nothing better to do but act like hired thugs to intimidate and attack people while hiding behind Awo's name. Awolowo established the Tribune to speak on behalf of the masses, not to attack the masses and destablized the SW in favor of the same evil Awolowo spent his life fighting. This is a great tragedy. Yoruba people say "Ti agbalagba ko ka so ara e, won ma fi wo le ni" (If an adult doesn't act like an adult, they will mop the floor with him/her) Anyways, it really doesn't matter at this point because the truth is out there for all to see and I don't see how this is going to hunt Tinubu in anyway. You might want to check out the comments under all the daily trash and attacks the Tribune publish, they are all in favor of Tinubu and against the Tribune and the Awo's family. We had an election and the people of the SW gave their support and affairs to Tinubu and the ACN to manage, not the PDP or the Awolowo family, so, why is the Awolowo's family trying to suppress the will of the people of the SW? They need to get with the program, but I don;t see that happening anytime soon because money corrupts. Based on what's been going on, your assertions sounds too one sided and unfair to the people the Awo family and the Tribune attacks and insults everyday by their paid in house writers. This is very very un'AWO. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by EkoIle1: 10:46pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
ekt_bear: I hear this I don't like Tinubu talk all the time and I'm yet to hear people articulate precisely why they don't like Tinubu and what he did wrong to warrant such statements. Is their any reason why you do not like him and what exactly did he do? Just an honest question. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by lucabrasi(m): 10:58pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Katsumoto:i know this comment was not directed at me but i couldnt help but comment on the bolded,lets get down to brasstacks now pls state exactly how he went too far? Katsumoto:lets agree for the sake of this debate that he told tinubu,if he was in the habit of sanctioning a head of the editorial board on what stories to publish wouldnt he become more infamous as gagging free speech?his rabit haters will say the acn godfather from lagos has started gagging the staffers in the nation. pls let us not fail to realise that while we were all fighting for the freedom of information bill,these are the kind of stuffs that freedom of information will begat are what is coming up now.im sure you v seen the many views denigrating jesus christ evethough we dont like it and condemn it,its the freedom of speech. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by ektbear: 10:58pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Eko Ile: Hrm, don't get me wrong, I don't dislike him either. I have no strong feelings about him one way or another (on a personal level that is, on the political level I think he has done a pretty good job for the most part.) The main point of me saying "I don't even like Tinubu" is to: A) Clarify that I'm not a fanboy of the guy B) Emphasize that his effectiveness is what makes me more interested in him rather than any sort of personal love. It isn't like he is the first guy I'd seek out to go drink a beer with, for example. Competency and results are more important to me than whether I like you or not. And whether anyone likes Tinubu or not, no one can claim he is not competent and has not delivered pretty decent political results, at least so far. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by dayokanu(m): 11:01pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Eko Ile: Excellent!!! |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by lucabrasi(m): 11:05pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Eko Ile:this is a million dolla question i will love an answer to as well. they have even left mr omatseye alone,some people are now pouring vitriol on tinubu as if he is the one that wrote the article just because they are afraid of his rising and status as an influential political figure. how come no one remembered the asiwaju title when the man was fighting obasanjo and during yar adua time |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by Katsumoto: 11:22pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Eko Ile: 1. I suspect people are blaming Tinubu because the newspaper in question is one of his corporations. You have to accept that was an uncouth way to attack Awo's legacy. Most Nigerian journalists don't even know how to do their jobs properly. A better writer would have written an article that focused on his family's assciation with the bad guys without getting into personal attacks. 2. There are people who defend Tinubu on NL. I used to be against Tinubu myself but I have to admit that he has done some good. Tinubu would have actually even gained more by ignoring Tribune/HID. 3. They have been calling Tinubu all these names but did the name-calling stop him giving a resounding beating to PDP? Sometimes, a leader has to be the bigger person. He got down to fight and defeat the PDP; believe me there is no sense in jumping into the ocean to fight a drowning man while you are on safe land. 4. I can not and will not excuse the behaviour of the Awo family in becoming PDP's mouthpiece. 5. You may be right that this may not hurt Tinubu but nobody really knows. No one can see into the future. Yes they supported Tinubu today but do you know who they will support tomorrow. Can you see how irrelevant OBJ is today? 6. Tinubu has every right to defend himself but Tinubu actions today don't affect just Tinubu; they affect all his followers and supporters. He has to think and act like a leader. He has to pick his battles because not every battle is worth fighting. Did you see the way Obama killed Donald Trump's presidential election? He let Trump make a lot of noise about the issue of where he was born knowing fully well that he was born in the US. He could have come out immediately with his birth certificate to prove them wrong but that would have been a wrong move. Sometimes, you give a enemies enough rope so that they can hang themselves. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by Wizardofoz: 11:28pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Katsumoto: Do you even know how Tinubu came into prominence in Lagos/SW? Were you in Lagos when Tinubu was Governor? Ever seen any of the Bill Boards with Tinubu's image juxtaposed with Ghandi's and Awo's? Tinubu rode Awo's coattails from start. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by Wizardofoz: 11:35pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Katsumoto: I am sure Obama would only be so glad to take credit for that; Obama roasting Donald Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Dinner was exactly why Donald trump dropped out of the race. As if, Obama providing the long form of his birth certificate dampened the spirit of the birthers. If I were you, I'd spend time listening to Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs et al before coming to that conclusion. Also, I would take some time talking to real life conservatives, tea-partiers, conspiracy theorists and some red-heads before ascribing to Obama the power and influence he would be all too eager to not want to have. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by sbeezy8: 11:37pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
people over hype the helll outta tinubu real talk. There are so many young intelligent educated savvy guys getting involved in politics/business and getting ready to take SW n nigeria by storm so tinubu will probably be a nobody 7-10 yrs from now if Forbes does not list him as a billionaire lmfao hahaha jk to me ACN Tinubu or any politician or oba is really not that important when you look at yoruba history leaders,politcians, businessmen, Obas are relevant today and nobodies tommorow. SW keep things fresh and interesting. AG AD PDP were yesterday ACN/LB today could be a totally new party tomorrow. SW politics are soooo INTERESTING. i dont like tinubu n i dont hate tinubu- infact hes just "there" for now who knows when i get into politics im takin dat niggaz spot, |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by Katsumoto: 11:42pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Wizardofoz: How are your questions connected to the points I made? I said Tinubu could have gained more by ignoring the Tribune and you are asking me if I was in Lagos when Tinubu was governor or whether I saw billboards. What is wrong in Tinubu riding Awo's coattails? If Awo's children and grand-children were not up to the task, what is wrong with someone else filling the void? lucabrasi: It was Awo that married HID and it was Awo that said that HID was his wife of inestimable value. He crossed the line in talking about Awo divorcing her and talking about her value. Is he Awo? You are being naive to suggest that editors don't run big stories or articles past their bosses. All over the world, that is the practice; because it is the boss that gets into trouble. Freedom of speech or not. Freedom of speech is the liberty newspapers have to publish stories but is newspapers owners that have to deal with any economic or political fall-out. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by Katsumoto: 11:46pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Wizardofoz: So Trump dropped out of the race because Obama yabbed him at a dinner? You got to be kidding. Donald Trump is a billionaire; are you suggesting he would walk away from a deal that would make him a ton of cash just because someone made fun of him? Trump dropped out because he kept talking about the birth certificate issue and lost all credibility after Obama produced the damn certificate. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by Nobody: 11:50pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
Don't know about the US but here in the UK, nobody goes against Mr Rupert Murdoch in his media empire; if you still have doubts, go ask a certain Andy Gray. It's naive at best and hypocritical at worst to suggest that this article could have been published without Tinubu's knowledge. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by EkoIle1: 11:59pm On Jun 10, 2011 |
ekt_bear: I asked because you used that phrase at least 3 times in different threads and situations. I don't like and I'm not a fan are 2 different things. I'm not trying to dictate to you who or what you should like and dislike, I was just curious for my own good like say maybe you folks know something about this guy that I don't know because I do understand the rubbish thrown at him by the ibo hate mongers and bigots on NL, not from sane and rational folks. I don't know the man personally, but I do know a lot about him as a politician and a public figure, I'm yet to see anything to dislike him for because all his moves as a politician, activist and advocate on behalf of his people so far has been very beneficial. Lagos is not in the hands of the PDP because this man fought selflessly, single handedly and stake his life to fight the establishment even during Abacha era. OBJ/PDP starved Lagos state financially for 8 long years, but the great state of Lagos did not fall apart or go bankrupt under Tinubu We are proud as Lagosians and blessed with the best Governor in Nigeria because of his great foresight, sense and wisdom We praise Fashola who is a great administrator and a fine man and also because of all the great stuff he's doing in Lagos, but most of it was laid down by Tinubu from Eko Atlantic to BRT, Lekki free trade zone and many innovations within Lagos state. Many clueless folks attribute the ownership of Alpha Beta to Tinubu, but the same people will tell you that Lagos is ahead simply because of it's ability to generate huge IGR, but who made that possible? Tinubu of course. Who made Lagos state the most tax effective state in Nigeria? Tinubu of curse. And so what if the company belongs to him? I repeat again, so what? The company is providing a great service and is getting compensated for doing a great job. I know deep down, many of these haters wish they have their own Alpha Beta to generate needed funds to develop like Lagos. It's not only incompetent not to have a company like Alpha Beta, it's criminal. They claim this and that company belongs to Tinubu, So what? Is it against the law to own businesses in Nigeria? In fact, I hope these entities are his because one thing I like about rich folks in Nigeria like Tinubu is he fact that they invest and spend their money at home to develop their states, to empower their own people and transform their economies, this jells with the mans commitment to the development and advancement of his people. He left office and still decided to use his capacity as a politician to fight for his people, to liberate his people and reclaim every inch of Yoruba land, he gave us hope, pride and a better future. Today, the SW is a major political force in Nigeria and we are getting our dues in pounds all because of one man's efforts and selfless service and the man's name is Bola Tinubu. So far, his moves and decisions on behalf of his people from his days as the governor of Lagos state till this very second are spot on and straight on Target. People are free to spew their baseless and unfounded rumors about the man, but when a man dares the EFCC, his enemies from OBJ to GEJ to arrest or incriminate him with anything or STFU and his still walking around without any kind of immunity, cleaning their clocks and instead of touching him, they are sending presidential planes to ferry him around and begging him for favors, obviously, they have nothing on him. The EFCC have all the tools in the world to locate his wealth, they have his files, they know where he keeps and how he makes his money and if for what ever reason they still can not nail him, he's simply the smartest and the cleanest Nigerian politician. I'm a realist and I deal with reality, till this man is nailed for something in front of us all, he remains a great public servant. Again, I'm not dictating to you who to like or dislike, just trying to find out if there is something out there you know that I don't know. It makes no sense to say you dislike without any reason to justify your dislike. My take- |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by EkoIle1: 12:09am On Jun 11, 2011 |
Katsumoto: Again, you are on the wrong track. Obviously, they are baiting Tinubu with their daily attacks, but today's issue is not about Tinubu. The fact remains that Tinubu did not write the article. About you asserting that Tinubu would have actually even gained more by ignoring Tribune/HID What do you think he's been doing? Or do you have any negative statement uttered by Tinubu against Awo family and HID? Of course you don;t have any because the man is yet to respond to their stupidity and childish behavior. I still don't know why you are grinding the man or trying to paint the situation as Tinubu attacking the Awo family. They are doing the attacking, not Tinubu. Feel free to prove otherwise or loom for a different line of argument. I'm finding it very difficult to refrain from questioning your sense of fairness and rational reasoning. What exactly did Tinubu did other than ignoring them till this very second? |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by tpia5: 12:22am On Jun 11, 2011 |
i'm not saying tinubu is a saint but i think he's being set up. he needs to do his own investigations, starting with the omatseye fellow. get his emails, contacts, phone records, etc. conduct surveillance on him like the americans do. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by dayokanu(m): 12:44am On Jun 11, 2011 |
I have not seen Tinubu attack anyone, And If peopl;e say Tinubu is culpable based on writings in the nations newspaper Can we also hold HID Awolowo responsible for all the writing in the tribune newspapers which include being the attack dog of Akala Adedibu OBJ etc |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by Wizardofoz: 12:51am On Jun 11, 2011 |
Katsumoto: How? you said Tinubu would have gained more if he had ignored HID. My point is that, he would have lost more, not gain. Make no mistake about it, without Awo's name, BAT is nothing. He is lucky that the Awo family allowed him use that name without ever challenging him. That is how the AD came into power using, Awo's name that is. From the very start, he had always wanted to present himself as the 'Arole' Awolowo. He did not succeed much outside of Lagos because Bola Ige was the star and of course no one, and NO ONE, not even Soyinka, could have gone head to head with Bola Ige. Reason why he had to wait till now to exert his swagz. Besides campaigning with his name, he literally spends millions of naira crafting his public image right down to the final detail in the persona of Awo; hence my Bilboard reference. Meaning, for someone who has used Awo's name for personal glory, it would have been suicidal for him politically to ignore HID. For Someone with NO REAL MOTHER, apart from her 'surrogate mother,' Abibatu Mogaji, ignoring HID awolowo would have detracted from his Awo cred, not Add to it as you wrongly claimed. It was so important for him to be seen and accepted like Awo, "acquir[ing] a signature cap, the ‘Awo glasses’ and even buying an ‘Asiwaju’ title" from Oyekan besides, he had to erect billboards to drive home his message, that Tinubu = The new Awolowo. Not minding the broom logo on his party emblem and the use of Awo's trademark insignia, Action. And yes, I asked you about your familiarity with his tenure in Lagos to gauge your understanding of the power HID Awolowo wields in the SW. If only you knew that, she is the closest thing we (SW) have to Awolowo; the import of her status as the Yeye Oodua of Yorubaland, and that her image and influence loom larger than what an "out of touch," foreign- born, non-native speaker of the Yoruba language could grasp from just reading about her on the internet. If only you knew, you would not have posted this: Tinubu would have actually even gained more by ignoring Tribune/HID. And I hope you know why the article was written. This article was meant to achieve three things: 1) To gauge the public's state on where he, Tinubu, stands WRT Awolowo 2) De-mystify Awo's influence while elevating Tinubu's image in our consciousness 3) To achieve what was articulated in the last paragraph of the article. Because moving forward, it is clear, very clear that only two people could 'coronate' the next 'Awo;' HID Awolowo & Olubuse II. Tinubu knows this quite well; hence, this Op-ed, to force HID's hands before she dies. Geddit. If Awo's children and grand-children were not up to the task, what is wrong with someone else filling the void? What void are we talking about? |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by Katsumoto: 1:19am On Jun 11, 2011 |
Na wa o The anti and pro tinubu camps are now targetting me instead of each other. Anyway, Eko Ile's argument is more acceptable Wizardofoz: We are onto personal attacks now? I am not surprised anyway. Regardless of where I may be from, I should still be able to comment because I am for the progress of Yoruba people. Or is it only Yoruba people that are allowed to desire the progress of Yoruba people? But its all good |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by lucabrasi(m): 2:30am On Jun 11, 2011 |
Katsumoto:fair enough no one is disputing that fact,we got the lincense to acess her life and to make comments concerning her marriage to awo as soon as she took the headship of the yorubas. secondly what the man said was that if awo was alive to see how tainted his ideologic and political family has become as a result of the people his wife was associating with he would be so angry that he would divorce his wife.now lets face it is the man right or wrong? will awolowo champion the cause of the gbenga daniels? the oyinlolas? will awolowo under any circumstance cross over to n.p.n now imagine him getting the news that his wife has been hobnobing and fighting the cause of his political opposites? besides let us not not be naive here nelsaon mandela called winnie all sorts of lovey dovey names,she was there for him for 27 years if nelson mandela had died who would have though they would be divorced by now? Katsumoto:true but note that i said as the head of the editorial board,even the editor reports to him so he is more powerful than the editor besides why would or why should tinubu dictate the kind of articles that will be published? |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by OAM4J: 2:33am On Jun 11, 2011 |
Whao! What more can I say? This is definitely not over yet. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by EkoIle1: 2:57am On Jun 11, 2011 |
Another attack job by The Tribune paid in house writer. Imagine a paid journalist calling people bastard The making of a bastard (2) |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by EkoIle1: 3:02am On Jun 11, 2011 |
Another day of mindless attack against Tinubu and the ACN. So, who is going to call the Tribune to order? So, they get a free pass by hiding behind Awolow's legacy? When is this BS going to stop? How long is the SW going to stay silent because they are too scared to go against the Family because of Awo's name? |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by Wizardofoz: 3:04am On Jun 11, 2011 |
^^^ Omo osan ni ko ponpo ba iya e eru kan ni si n mu ni bu igba eru eni ba ri oba fin , ni oba'a pa; igba ti n r'oba fin, Oba o ma wo ran mi ni. Next time, ti won ba ran Omatseye ni slave-work, a fi t'omo je |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by EkoIle1: 3:07am On Jun 11, 2011 |
^^^^^ Attending to trolls is not my thing, try find a troll like you to go back and forth with. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by Wizardofoz: 3:19am On Jun 11, 2011 |
^^^ Another usurper in our midst Eki ile ko, Iragbiji oko ni Mr. Toronto Chicago GCI Ti iro ba lo logun odun, ojo kan l'ooto aba Its just a matter of time, before you all get what is coming to you. Omode bu r'oko, Omode b'oju we yin, o ni iroko emi re, do your effing best. Omode o mo pe, ojuwere k'ija l'ojo; The child that insults the Iroko tree, doesn't know the moment when the Iroko tree will strike Any 'money-miss-road' that disrespects our elders will eventually regret it, even if the punishment isnt immediate And one more thing: you may be feeding fat now, feeling invincible, as you sure are supposed to be feeling. But remember what happened to 'ikun' the other time. 'ikun' n je ogede to pon roborobo, ikun n redi, ikun was very very happy thinking he (ikun) had outsmarted the hunter, unfortunately, for the narrow-minded 'Ikun', 'Ikun' did not know that nkan to ba sweet can kill ikun. For the avoidance of doubt: Ikun in this context = Eko-Ile, Tinubu, Omatseye, et.al |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by nduchucks: 3:25am On Jun 11, 2011 |
Tinubu a.k.a Dan Iska The disgraceful feud being discussed is not surprising to observers like me. This self destructive behaviour of the Yorubas is why one of their sons, Chief H. Ogunde wrote a play and a song titled Yoruba Ronu (Yoruba think) Here's is my rendition of one or two stanzas from the song (pardon me for the typos) : Yoruba nse ra won nitori owo Yoruba nj'irawon lese nitori ipo won gbe'bi fun alare, won gbe are fun eni'bi won pe ole ko wa ja, won tun pe oloko wa mu (dem call tief make him come steal from farm, then come call farmer to come catch de tief) ogbon ti won da togbe won dele ola (na de sense wey carry dem reach top of de mountain) ogbon na lo pada wa si gbe won san le (wey come back troway dem for valley) The last two lines should be instructive to Tinubu and other political jobbers lurking arround this thread. Eko ile, se iwo mo yoruba ka - se you sabi read Yoruba? Reference material" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSEP6GQhneM |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by jason123: 3:30am On Jun 11, 2011 |
ndu_chucks: THAT SONG IS DEEP!!! |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by Wizardofoz: 3:35am On Jun 11, 2011 |
ndu_chucks: Thanks for that link. You need to watch OGD's version, very funny and in OGD's usual charismatic manner, brought life to the song Anyway, POC, Yoruba Ronu means Yoruba [b]think deeply [/b]which is somewhat different from Yoruba think (Yoruba r'ori) Just so you know. |
Re: Awo Family Without An Awo By Sam Omatseye (The Offensive Article) by nduchucks: 3:41am On Jun 11, 2011 |
Wizardofoz: Interesting. I would have thought one would do deep thinking with the brain (head) hence r'[b]ori. Thanks for the correction, na gode. |
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