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The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by godisshit(m): 8:58am On Nov 22, 2021
In stark contradiction to the Sunna/Hadith, the koran explicitly says that Muhammad was incapable of performing any miracles.

In fact, whenever the unbelievers would ridicule Muhammad for failing to produce any miracles, Allah would send a "revelation" stating that miraculous works were not part of muhammad's ministry and that muhammad was just a "Warner"

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When Muhammad's own people, the Quraish of Mecca (most of whom were Pagans), asked Muhammed for a miraculous sign as proof of his prophethood, he repeatedly told them that the only proof is the Quran.

Muhammad then made the only challenge in his prophetic career. He told the people of Mecca that if the koran was not a miracle, they should produce a Surah (chapter) similar to any of the ones in the koran.

As we can see, Allah and Muhammed are basically stating that Koranic revelations are by far superiour to anything a mere human can produce.

Yet in the incident of the "Satanic Verses", Satan himself was able to compose inspired Koranic verses that were so compelling and convincing, that they FOOLED Muhammed himself!

That, in itself, is an admission that Allah's revelations are NO better than something Satan can inspire. Now if that is the case, then the proof of "produce a surah like it" is extremely flimsy indeed.

Here you have an example in the koran itself of Satan meeting the ONLY challenge Muhammed provided to authenticate his authority/prophethood.

Allah and Muhammad laid down a challenge and Satan not only met that challenge, he met it so successfully that even Muhammad was 419ed into accepting it as the truth! grin

If this could happen to the first and greatest muslim who ever lived, one can only imagine how many trillions of times Satan has played ludo with brains of poor and hapless muslims!

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Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by godliman: 9:43am On Nov 22, 2021
Isn't the whole thing a careful concocted scam?
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by haekymbahd(m): 10:47am On Nov 22, 2021
Will showing you a miracle make you beleive. With the Amount of miracles Jesus performed how many people beleive d him before he was raised. Muhammad had more followers than Jesus did before his death ask yourself how was that possible.

Allah SWT said:

"The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two]."
(QS. Al-Qamar 54: Verse 1)

"And if they see a miracle, they turn away and say, Passing magic."
(QS. Al-Qamar 54: Verse 2)


When signs were shown to the people they called it Magic. Miracle is not enough to win the heart of evil doers did Pharaoh beleive in God despite Moses showing him signs from God. Whosoever will get lost will surely get lost

Mathew 12
39 But He replied to them, An evil and adulterous generation (a generation [t]morally unfaithful to God) seeks and demands a sign; but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.



Can Satan perform Miracle or not?

Allah SWT said:

"And say, Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."
(QS. Al-Israa 17: Verse 81)

"And We send down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, but it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss."
(QS. Al-Israa 17: Verse 82)




To key to win the heart is to say the truth people beleive prophet Muhammad because he said the truth. Muhammad was just a prophet and warner Whether you beleive or not it's your choice to make no one is forcing you.

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Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by XXXXTENTACION: 10:52am On Nov 22, 2021
Religion is filled with shit...
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by godisshit(m): 11:56am On Nov 22, 2021
Miracles are meant to establish a prophet's credentials. In other words, miracle is the prophet's CV. It is the ONLY way that Prophet's were able to convince people of the authenticity of their claim to prophethood.

A call to prophethood is essentially and fundamentally a supernatural and heavenly one, so it must be accompanied by supernatural and heavenly signs to verify it, otherwise it is meaningless.

“You are the God who performs miracles; you display your power among the peoples”
(Psalm 77:14)

A miracle is an unusual manifestation of God’s power in which He intervenes in human affairs. Miracles display God’s power, inspire wonder, and act as signs that prove who God is or substantiate His message to the world. A miracle is a supernatural event that reveals or confirms a specific divine message.

They are not meant to convince EVERYONE of course, but they are meant to convince those whose hearts have been made ready by God which is the reason why Pharaoh and the Egyptians did not believe the miracles, but the majority of the people of Israel accepted them.

The Disciples of Jesus witnessed his miracles, which was why they recorded them for posterity in the New Testament.

As a general rule, the miracles of the Bible era were done in the presence of a multitude of credible witnesses—even hostile observers. When the Lord multiplied the loaves and fishes, possibly some ten thousand or more people were present (cf. John 6:10ff). Truly, the signs validating Christianity were not “done in a corner” (Acts 26:26).

Bottomline, a REAL prophet called by God will be God's instrument for the manifestation of his authority over nature. He wouldn't be a failure who runs away and makes excuses when he is asked for a sign, even if the people who ask him are not worthy of being witnesses to heavenly signs.

Also, and this is what is most important, A REAL PROPHET CANNOT BE DECEIVED INTO GIVING A FALSE "SATANIC VERSES" BY SATAN HIMSELF.

Any person who delivers a message from Satan is an instrument of Satan, not God.



haekymbahd:
Will showing you a miracle make you beleive. With the Amount of miracles Jesus performed how many people beleive d him before he was raised. Muhammad had more followers than Jesus did before his death ask yourself how was that possible.

Allah SWT said:

"The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two]."
(QS. Al-Qamar 54: Verse 1)

"And if they see a miracle, they turn away and say, Passing magic."
(QS. Al-Qamar 54: Verse 2)


When signs were shown to the people they called it Magic. Miracle is not enough to win the heart of evil doers did Pharaoh beleive in God despite Moses showing him signs from God. Whosoever will get lost will surely get lost

Mathew 12
39 But He replied to them, An evil and adulterous generation (a generation [t]morally unfaithful to God) seeks and demands a sign; but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.



Can Satan perform Miracle or not?

Allah SWT said:

"And say, Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."
(QS. Al-Israa 17: Verse 81)

"And We send down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, but it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss."
(QS. Al-Israa 17: Verse 82)




To key to win the heart is to say the truth people beleive prophet Muhammad because he said the truth. Muhammad was just a prophet and warner Whether you beleive or not it's your choice to make no one is forcing you.




Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by haekymbahd(m): 12:29pm On Nov 22, 2021
AllahIsShit:
Miracles are meant to establish a prophet's credentials. In other words, miracle is the prophet's CV. It is the ONLY way that Prophet's were able to convince people of the authenticity of their claim to prophethood.

A call to prophethood is essentially and fundamentally a supernatural and heavenly one, so it must be accompanied by supernatural and heavenly signs to verify it, otherwise it is meaningless.

“You are the God who performs miracles; you display your power among the peoples”
(Psalm 77:14)

A miracle is an unusual manifestation of God’s power in which He intervenes in human affairs. Miracles display God’s power, inspire wonder, and act as signs that prove who God is or substantiate His message to the world. A miracle is a supernatural event that reveals or confirms a specific divine message.

They are not meant to convince EVERYONE of course, but they are meant to convince those whose hearts have been made ready by God which is the reason why Pharaoh and the Egyptians did not believe the miracles, but the majority of the people of Israel accepted them.

The Disciples of Jesus witnessed his miracles, which was why they recorded them for posterity in the New Testament.

As a general rule, the miracles of the Bible era were done in the presence of a multitude of credible witnesses—even hostile observers. When the Lord multiplied the loaves and fishes, possibly some ten thousand or more people were present (cf. John 6:10ff). Truly, the signs validating Christianity were not “done in a corner” (Acts 26:26).

Bottomline, a REAL prophet called by God will be God's instrument for the manifestation of his authority over nature. He wouldn't be a failure who runs away and makes excuses when he is asked for a sign, even if the people who ask him are not worthy of being witnesses to heavenly signs.

Also, and this is what is most important, A REAL PROPHET CANNOT BE DECEIVED INTO GIVING A FALSE "SATANIC VERSES" BY SATAN HIMSELF.

Any person who delivers a message from Satan is an instrument of Satan, not God.



So is the Moon splitting into 2 not a miracle/sign so why didn't you beleive then.


Show proof from the Quran or Authentic Hadith that there are satanic verses in the Quran...

It is all hearsay/myth there are no satanic verses in the Quran
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by godisshit(m): 12:43pm On Nov 22, 2021
Allah revealed Surah 53 to Muhammad up to and including vss. 19, 20. These two verses read:

Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other?


Surah 53:19,20

Then afterwards, after allah revealed Surah 53: 19,20, Satan added the following verses (known today as the satanic verses) to it:

"These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)
Whose intercession is to be hoped for"


In other words, allah/satan revealed that the 3 daughters of allah (al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat) could make intercession to allah on behalf of muslims!

The helpless allah was now left with no other choice than to tell muhammad that other prophets had also revealed Satanic verses in the past and that it was a "test" for the believers!

Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise; That He may make that which the devil proposeth a temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease, and those whose hearts are hardened –Lo! the evil-doers are in open schism.

(Surah 22:52,53)

What an absolute clown allah is! grin grin grin grin


haekymbahd:
So is the Moon splitting into 2 not a miracle/sign so why didn't you beleive then.


Show proof from the Quran or Authentic Hadith that there are satanic verses in the Quran...

It is all hearsay/myth there are no satanic verses in the Quran
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by haekymbahd(m): 12:48pm On Nov 22, 2021
AllahIsShit:


"These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)
Whose intercession is to be hoped for"




Show me the verse of the Quran where this can be found or rather show me your Authentic source.
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by haekymbahd(m): 12:50pm On Nov 22, 2021
AllahIsShit:


"These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)
Whose intercession is to be hoped for"




Show me the verse of the Quran where this can be found or rather show me your Authentic source not Fake ones o.


It is all a myth/hearsay there are no satanic verses in the Quran
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by godisshit(m): 1:14pm On Nov 22, 2021
Of course Muhammad removed it as soon as the entity called "gabriel" confronted him about it! grin grin grin Even Muhammad himself confessed to the incident

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haekymbahd:
Show me the verse of the Quran where this can be found or rather show me your Authentic source not Fake ones o.


It is all a myth/hearsay there are no satanic verses in the Quran
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by haekymbahd(m): 1:25pm On Nov 22, 2021
AllahIsShit:
Of course Muhammad removed it as soon as the entity called "gabriel" confronted him about it! grin grin grin Even Muhammad himself confessed to the incident

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so is this an Authentic sahih Hadith to you.. show me an authentic source and I will take you serious...

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Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by godisshit(m): 1:26pm On Nov 22, 2021
You no longer accept Sirat of the mufasereen? grin

haekymbahd:
so is this an Authentic sahih Hadith to you..
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by haekymbahd(m): 1:43pm On Nov 22, 2021
AllahIsShit:
You no longer accept Sirat of the mufasereen? grin

Show your proof from Quran and sahih Hadith.

Did sahih Hadith say anything about Quran 53 does it also include satanic verses


Differentiate between seerat and sahih hadith?
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by godisshit(m): 1:48pm On Nov 22, 2021
Seerat contain the history of your prophet. He is only mentioned by name 4 times, so the koran is not an adequate enough source for his followers to learn about him which is why they need the Sira and and the Hadith.

haekymbahd:
Show your proof from Quran and sahih Hadith.

Did sahih Hadith say anything about Quran 53 does it also include satanic verses


Differentiate between seerat and sahih hadith?
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by godisshit(m): 1:55pm On Nov 22, 2021
This is from Sirat Rasul Allah by Al Tabari:

Satan Casts a False Revelation on the Messenger of God's Tongue

The Messenger of God was eager for the welfare of his people and wished to effect a reconciliation with them in whatever ways he could. It is said that he wanted to find a way to do this, and what happened was as follows.

Ibn Humayd—Salamah--Muhammad b. Ishaq—Yazid b. Ziyad al-Madani—Muhammad b. Kali al-Qurazi: When the Messenger of God saw how his tribe turned their backs on him and was grieved to see them shunning the message he had brought to them from God, he longed in his soul that something would come to him from God which would reconcile him with his tribe. With his love for his tribe and his eagerness for their welfare it would have delighted him if some of the difficulties which they made for him could have been smoothed out, and he debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then God revealed:

By the Star when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is
he deceived; nor does he speak out of (his own) desire ...
and when he came to the words:

Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-'Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?
Satan cast on his tongue, because of his inner debates and what he desired to bring to his people, the words:

These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval.

When Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were happy and delighted at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him, while the Muslims, having complete trust in their Prophet in respect of the messages which he brought from God, did not suspect him of error, illusion, or mistake.


al-Tabari (d. 923), M. V. McDonald; W. Montgomery Watt, eds, The History of al-Tabari [Ta’rikh al-rusul wa’l-muluk], vol. VI, SUNY Press, pp. 107-112, ISBN 0-88706-706-9, 1988
أبو جعفر الطبري, تاريخ الرسل والملوك, vol. 2, al-Maktabah al-Shamilah, p. 337-341

haekymbahd:
Show your proof from Quran and sahih Hadith.

Did sahih Hadith say anything about Quran 53 does it also include satanic verses


Differentiate between seerat and sahih hadith?
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by haekymbahd(m): 2:06pm On Nov 22, 2021
AllahIsShit:
This is from Sirat Rasul Allah by Al Tabari:

Satan Casts a False Revelation on the Messenger of God's Tongue

The Messenger of God was eager for the welfare of his people and wished to effect a reconciliation with them in whatever ways he could. It is said that he wanted to find a way to do this, and what happened was as follows.

Ibn Humayd—Salamah--Muhammad b. Ishaq—Yazid b. Ziyad al-Madani—Muhammad b. Kali al-Qurazi: When the Messenger of God saw how his tribe turned their backs on him and was grieved to see them shunning the message he had brought to them from God, he longed in his soul that something would come to him from God which would reconcile him with his tribe. With his love for his tribe and his eagerness for their welfare it would have delighted him if some of the difficulties which they made for him could have been smoothed out, and he debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then God revealed:

By the Star when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is
he deceived; nor does he speak out of (his own) desire ...
and when he came to the words:

Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-'Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?
Satan cast on his tongue, because of his inner debates and what he desired to bring to his people, the words:

These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval.

When Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were happy and delighted at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him, while the Muslims, having complete trust in their Prophet in respect of the messages which he brought from God, did not suspect him of error, illusion, or mistake.


al-Tabari (d. 923), M. V. McDonald; W. Montgomery Watt, eds, The History of al-Tabari [Ta’rikh al-rusul wa’l-muluk], vol. VI, SUNY Press, pp. 107-112, ISBN 0-88706-706-9, 1988
أبو جعفر الطبري, تاريخ الرسل والملوك, vol. 2, al-Maktabah al-Shamilah, p. 337-341

show a sahih Hadith on this. The authentic Hadith talked about this particular surah and didn't say anything on satanic verses.


Does that not tell you this is a weak narration and cannot be trusted.

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Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by godisshit(m): 2:18pm On Nov 22, 2021
Well, the Hadith records that the Quraysh pagans who had been fighting with Muhammad because he was disrespectful to their goddess allat, suddenly began to bow down and pray with him. Why do you think they did this?

Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.

Sahih Bukhari 6:60:385

Why would the pagans who worship allat, al uzza and manat suddenly start prostrating and praying like muslims? I'd like to hear your answer, although something tells me you will simply lie like your "prophet" grin

Also, are you actually calling Al Tabari and Ibn Ibn Hisham liars?


haekymbahd:
show a sahih Hadith on this. The authentic Hadith talked about this particular surah and didn't say anything on satanic verses.


Does that not tell you this is a weak narration and cannot be trusted.

Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by haekymbahd(m): 6:36am On Nov 23, 2021
AllahIsShit:
Well, the Hadith records that the Quraysh pagans who had been fighting with Muhammad because he was disrespectful to their goddess allat, suddenly began to bow down and pray with him. Why do you think they did this?

Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.

Sahih Bukhari 6:60:385

Why would the pagans who worship allat, al uzza and manat suddenly start prostrating and praying like muslims? I'd like to hear your answer, although something tells me you will simply lie like your "prophet" grin

Also, are you actually calling Al Tabari and Ibn Ibn Hisham liars?


They bowed because they were amazed by the Quran recitation. The last verse of surat Najm talked about prostration which was the reason they prostrated. They were told to prostrate.


Allah SWT said:

"So prostrate to Allah and worship [Him]."
(QS. An-Najm 53: Verse 62)



There are more than 360 idols at the khaaba. Are you saying all pagans worship al-lat, manat and al-uzza.

Do Jinns also worship the pagan God also?


In suratul jinn it was clear that when Jinns heared the recitation of Quran they beleived this can only from God.


Allah SWT said:

"Say, [O Muhammad], It has been revealed to me that a group of the jinn listened and said, 'Indeed, we have heard an amazing Qur'an."
(QS. Al-Jinn 72: Verse 1)

"It guides to the right course, and we have believed in it. And we will never associate with our Lord anyone."
(QS. Al-Jinn 72: Verse 2)

"And [it teaches] that exalted is the nobleness of our Lord; He has not taken a wife or a son"
(QS. Al-Jinn 72: Verse 3)



They bowed because they perceived the truth in what he recited.
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by godisshit(m): 10:27am On Nov 23, 2021
They bowed because he mentioned their gods as partners of allah just the way it had always been! grin Allat literally means "daughter of allah" and she had been worshipped alongside allah before muhammad came along and destroyed all the other gods, leaving allah alone to be worshipped!

The fact that allah was already a worshipped deity in pre Islamic Arabia can be seen in the fact that many pre-Islamic Arabians were called Abdullah or "Slave of Alllah." Even muhammad's alleged father was named abdullah! grin grin

Also, can you tell me who allah was talking to in this koranic verse and what was the purpose for revealing the verse?

Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: [/b]but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:

That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth):


Qur'an 22:52-53


haekymbahd:
They bowed because they were amazed by the Quran recitation. The last verse of surat Najm talked about prostration which was the reason they prostrated. They were told to prostrate.


[b]Allah SWT said:

"So prostrate to Allah and worship [Him]."
(QS. An-Najm 53: Verse 62)



There are more than 360 idols at the khaaba. Are you saying all pagans worship al-lat, manat and al-uzza.

Do Jinns also worship the pagan God also?


In suratul jinn it was clear that when Jinns heared the recitation of Quran they beleived this can only from God.


Allah SWT said:

"Say, [O Muhammad], It has been revealed to me that a group of the jinn listened and said, 'Indeed, we have heard an amazing Qur'an."
(QS. Al-Jinn 72: Verse 1)

"It guides to the right course, and we have believed in it. And we will never associate with our Lord anyone."
(QS. Al-Jinn 72: Verse 2)

"And [it teaches] that exalted is the nobleness of our Lord; He has not taken a wife or a son"
(QS. Al-Jinn 72: Verse 3)



They bowed because they perceived the truth in what he recited.
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:39am On Nov 23, 2021
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

According to the above statement by Jesus no single Muslim can see God's Kingdom, so if i were you i will not worry myself over a sinking ship rather i'll concentrate on the groups claiming believers in the name of God's only begotten Son. That's where you can see salvation.
Meanwhile even among those claiming Christians there is just one group practicing what Jesus taught.
So instead of directing your blows to the air by wasting your time and energy on Islam which is already condemned by Jesus, why not focus on Jesus and the group practicing what he taught? smiley
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by haekymbahd(m): 12:42pm On Nov 23, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

According to the above statement by Jesus no single Muslim can see God's Kingdom, so if i were you i will not worry myself over a sinking ship rather i'll concentrate on the groups claiming believers in the name of God's only begotten Son. That's where you can see salvation.
Meanwhile even among those claiming Christians there is just one group practicing what Jesus taught.
So instead of directing your blows to the air by wasting your time and energy on Islam which is already condemned by Jesus, why not focus on Jesus and the group practicing what he taught? smiley
what does it mean to beleive in Jesus?

What does it mean to beleive in Moses?

Before Jesus anyone who does not beleive in Moses won't have everlasting life.

Before Moses if you don't beleive in Abraham you cannot have everlasting life.


Allah SWT said:

"Say, We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 84)

[b]If you don't believe in Muhammad the last prophet you are on a sinking ship just like the Jews who beleive in Moses but not Jesus because you committed the same offence


If Jews beleived Moses then disbelieved in Jesus it is their problem, if you beleive in Jesus then disbelieve in Muhammad it your problem not mine.


May you have peace..
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:59pm On Nov 23, 2021
haekymbahd:
what does it mean to beleive in Jesus?
What does it mean to beleive in Moses?
Before Jesus anyone who does not beleive in Moses won't have everlasting life. Before Moses if you don't beleive in Abraham you cannot have everlasting life.
Allah SWT said:
"Say, We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 84)
[b]If you don't believe in Muhammad the last prophet you are on a sinking ship just like the Jews who beleive in Moses but not Jesus because you committed the same offence

If Jews beleived Moses then disbelieved in Jesus it is their problem, if you beleive in Jesus then disbelieve in Muhammad it your problem not mine.
May you have peace..

Have you ever seen me criticizing your religion?
Well i don't because i'm sure nobody who doesn't believe that Jesus is God's only begotten Son can have everlasting life.

As for Abraham and Moses there was nothing like believing in them because none of them is the Messiah (Christ) so the only business i have with Abraham or Moses is to know the origin of the Christ.
So don't worry about me because i have no business with your Muhammad just as he has no connection with prophets from the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! smiley
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by haekymbahd(m): 1:18pm On Nov 23, 2021
MaxInDHouse:


Have you ever seen me criticizing your religion?
Well i don't because i'm sure nobody who doesn't believe that Jesus is God's only begotten Son can have everlasting life.

As for Abraham and Moses there was nothing like believing in them because none of them is the Messiah (Christ) so the only business i have with Abraham or Moses is to know the origin of the Christ.
So don't worry about me because i have no business with your Muhammad just as he has no connection with prophets from the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! smiley
well, I don't worry about your God that had an only begotten son.

My business is with God of Abraham and Moses who had no only begotten son rather all beleivers and messengers are his son/servant..

Exodus 4
22 And you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus says the Lord, Israel is My son, even My firstborn.

23 And I say to you, Let My son go, that he may serve Me; and if you refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay your son, your firstborn.


Maybe God forgot that Jesus was his firstborn.

May you have peace grin
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:40pm On Nov 23, 2021
haekymbahd:
well, I don't worry about your God that had an only begotten son.

My business is with God of Abraham and Moses who had no only begotten son rather all beleivers and messengers are his son/servant..

Exodus 4
22 And you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus says the Lord, Israel is My son, even My firstborn.

23 And I say to you, Let My son go, that he may serve Me; and if you refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay your son, your firstborn.


Maybe God forgot that Jesus was his firstborn.

May you have peace grin

Good!
My own God has one only begotten Son but yours doesn't which means they are not the same person.
So you and i don't have to worry about what the other God says, since they are different Gods!
Peace be unto you! smiley
Re: The Great Stupidity At The Heart Of Islam by Kobojunkie: 5:37pm On Oct 02, 2023
haekymbahd:
well, I don't worry about your God that had an only begotten son. My business is with God of Abraham and Moses who had no only begotten son rather all beleivers and messengers are his son/servant..
Exodus 4
22 And you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus says the Lord, Israel is My son, even My firstborn.
23 And I say to you, Let My son go, that he may serve Me; and if you refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay your son, your firstborn.
Maybe God forgot that Jesus was his firstborn.May you have peace grin
That statement in Exodus 4 that you pulled out of context was in fact metaphorical description of the people of Israel by God.
21 While Moses was traveling back to Egypt, the Lord spoke to him, “When you talk to Pharaoh remember to show him all the miracles that I have given you the power to do. But I will cause Pharaoh to be very stubborn. He will not let the people go.
22 Then you should say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: Israel is my firstborn son.
23 And I am telling you to let my son go and worship me. If you refuse to let Israel go, then I will kill your firstborn son.’ - Exodus 4 vs 21 - 23
A firstborn son typically refers to one individual in a family but in this case, the term is used in reference to a whole nation of people, a first indication that it is meant to be figuratively processed. In that passage, anyone able to see could tell that God described the people of Israel as having the same importance that a firstborn son would have to the likes of Pharaoh whose firstborn son He, God, threatened. undecided

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