UGBE634:
When he said the Benin there he meant the kingdom and not the city and yes the remnant of the kingdom,the entire Bini speaking areas is two times larger than Rome metropolitan

macof:

Lmao 2x larger than Rome metropolitan and where is the evidence? Where's the measurement?

BTW there is no Benin kingdom... It does not exist anymore.
So you can't talk about the size and administration of the old kingdom itself and tag it remnants.. If you want to talk about spread of language and Ethnic homeland today then that is a different case you are bringing in.

And if we want to go by this new logic of language and Ethnic Identity you are trying to bring, do you realise we would have to include all the elements of roman ethnic identity that has evolved over the last 14/15 centuries?
The languages of French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian etc are all derived from Latin the language of the ancient Romans. The very idea of Western civilization in form of writing, architecture, political system etc even the Catholic Church and even the Eastern Orthodox Church

Because how is it even fair to compare in this logic, "remnants" of a Rome that fell in the 5th century with Benin that fell in the 19th century. 1,400 years later

You have no case.

macof:

Lmao 2x larger than Rome metropolitan and where is the evidence? Where's the measurement?

BTW there is no Benin kingdom... It does not exist anymore.
So you can't talk about the size and administration of the old kingdom itself and tag it remnants.. If you want to talk about spread of language and Ethnic homeland today then that is a different case you are bringing in.

And if we want to go by this new logic of language and Ethnic Identity you are trying to bring, do you realise we would have to include all the elements of roman ethnic identity that has evolved over the last 14/15 centuries?
The languages of French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian etc are all derived from Latin the language of the ancient Romans. The very idea of Western civilization in form of writing, architecture, political system etc even the Catholic Church and even the Eastern Orthodox Church

Because how is it even fair to compare in this logic, "remnants" of a Rome that fell in the 5th century with Benin that fell in the 19th century. 1,400 years later

You have no case.

UGBE634:
first there is a kingdom,the kings of all these various Bini speaking communities pay Obeisance to him and see him as their Overlord. for the sake of knowledge when they say Benin Kingdom, they are talking about the entire Benin speaking communities under his jurisdiction effortlessly. The Bini kingdom of Old even in her weak days was never confined to Edo south. She certainly expressed express control over Esans and Afenmai, but today it is no longer included as part of this Benin kingdom. Remnants in this sense means communities which are under his express control seamlessly because they are exactly one and the same with the Oba of Benin culturally and linguistically and they see him as the final arbiter of the Bini people. There is no time even till date and till tomorrow where the jurisdiction of the Oba was ever said to be limited to Benin city. Effortlessly it has always included all Bini speaking communities in Edo south, if you will not accept kingdom it is fine, he meant the entire Bini speaking land, Udo as a community, the head of the Town,the Uwangue, Iyase, or the Eribo is appointed directly from the Oba's palace, there is a phrase in Benin "Udo,Edo-(Benin city) Edo ehia khin " meaning Udo,Edo are all Edo. you know how a war was fought between Arhuan'Udo and Esigie over where the capital should be, if Arhuan'Udo had won the capital would have been at Udo. I believe clearly he restricted his talk to landmass, Edo south of which you have fragment of minute cultures here and there is about two times the size of Rome metropolitan, you never questioned the logic in the first place you restricted Bini to Benin city I gave you facts, you are questioning logic

samuk:


Remnant of old Rome is mostly confined to Vertical City. Benin speaking areas hasn't changed since time immemorial. Old Benin empire is much larger than the core Benin speaking area of Edo south which your comrade tagged the remnant of old Benin empire.

I repeat, what remains of old Benin empire as described by your yoruba brother is bigger than what remains of the Roman empire.

macof:
lmao more delusions.
there is only the federal republic of Nigeria and it's federating state of Edo state with local governments.
There are three tiers of governemt in Nigeria and these they are.

There is no benin kingdom today. There is Oba of Benin or more accurately Omonoba N'edo. But this is a ceremonial unconstitutional title merely for the purpose of serving as a relic of the past. He has no Kingdom to rule.

secondly, Esan were never part of the Benin Kingdom, they had their own Kingdom. Esan was part of the Benin empire...not Kingdom. Learn the difference between Kingdom and Empire

And even at this you still have no case in your comparison to Rome. In fact i am even falling my hand by entertaining this madness. Imagine comparing bini to rome
You guys have issues o

which facts? you have not even answered the question above

UGBE634:
It seems more than ever you would pass as a clown, the same you that wrote me Bini was never an empire ;Dthat she was a kingdom at best with Imperial influence, what you said is what I meant with all sincerity, even in her weakest days, she was part of the Bini empire even the Afenmai, but today she is no longer part of it. I told you also that if you won't accept kingdom, what he meant was the Entire Bini speaking land( I won't be so bothered with whichever you choose, I just want to drive home my point ) and it will be safe to call it Remnant because it is unlike the Yorubas where the Ooni is ceremonial beyond Ife. Edo there means the king of all Edo and not of Benin city. And yes Edo south is two times the size of metropolitan Rome

macof:

The question now is - sent for from where? I would even add why?
You can't just come and conjure your imagination and say because history doesn't deal with absolutes therefore you keep claiming the same thing that doesn't add up. At least make the narrative have substance so we can know what leads to follow

And I really don't mean this disrespectfully but Benin has never been a mighty empire... A strong and wealthy kingdom with some imperial significance yes but when we line up MIGHTY Empires, we shouldn't be throwing Benin in there so as not to make African history seem disjointed and disorderly.
For context it's like talking about European history and saying Prussia was a mighty empire...no!

I really can't argue against itsekiri ever being part of the Benin empire.. As I said if this was ever the case, it would have been early on around that 15th - 16th century .. Because much later the Portuguese and British clearly deal with Warri as an independent kingdom
For a while Warri was West Africa's Kongo in the sense of how much influence Portugal had on the kingdom, you can't compare that relationship with Esan or Bini. If Portuguese people were like you they would be claiming Itsekiri were under Portugal

macof:


This is what i said



apparently you lack comprehension because i even went the extra mile to emphasize on the word "mighty" but the whole idea flew over your head.

Anyway clearly as i have already said, you guys have no case in your absurd comparison to Rome. so this is just an attempt to run around the subject.
but be calming down. stop doing drugs if you do because this one na real ment

UGBE634:
As I have told you before that is not the point of my argument, I won't want to deviate from my point. Benin kingdom or Bini land whichever one you choose to sit with, and Rome metropolitan, which is bigger.The remnants of Bini kingdom or land is bigger obviously but you choose to deviate from the point and argue around the point slow you! Take care

Edo south which is more than 90%Bini is twice the size of Rome metropolitan. Die if you want to!

macof:


And I have addressed this.

Apply same logic to Rome and Romance language speakers.

You can't give Rome a handicap by restricting it to the city alone and say you are comparing it to everywhere Bini speaking people are. Compare city to city, old empire to old empire or speakers to speakers

Even at that you have yet to provide official measurements for Bini speaking areas. So under what authority are you saying Bini speaking areas are 2x larger than Rome?

You people need to seek help o

UGBE634:
Go and check the size of the seven local government areas in Edo south. Edo south is about ten thousand seven hundred kilometres2 . Remove the other minute cultures in Edo south, and see it is close to two times the size, whichever way we say it, it is safe to say Bini speaking land is bigger than Rome metropolitan. That was Samuk initial argument before your intentional endless clueless drag. Take care.

Second paragraph

Ologbo147:
It is seven local government area and not 5, besides you have no proof whatsoever that Bini is the smallest down south, we are the smallest in the south and we are arguably the most visible minority in the entertainment industry, we have the Likes of Nosa Rex Okunzuwa, Linda Osifo, Osas Ighodaro,Sam loco Efe(wmonkiyeke), Enado Odigie, Etinosa Idemudia, Babatunde Okungbowa,-(Ojb Jezreel)Efe Omoregbe-2 face's long time manager and friend and board member Coson, Rema-divine Ikubor, Ik Osagioduwa-one of the biggest presenters in Nigeria, Jonny drille- John Ighodaro, djinee-Osayawmen Donald, Mercy Aigbe,Jemima Osunde, Cynthia Morgan, Owen gee-comedian, Youngest Landlord-Comedian,mc casino- comedian and others,Lancelot Oduwa Imasuen-One of the biggest producers on the Nollywood scene, Charles Novia (Igbinovia)-also another exceptional producer,Sarz on the beat-Osabuohien Osaretin

And also we are the most visible minority in terms of travel, when you leave Nigeria, the minority you likely meet from Nigeria is the Bini. I have seen such comments from Andre Uweh and other Nairalanders which I can screenshot if you want me to

Even our local Movie industry is the most powerful and the most celebrated among the minorities

People have vowed here on nairaland they barely met an Ijaw yet they are mouthed to be more Numerous than the Bini
Tell me which minority is as visible on the entertainment scene as the Bini, unless there is a sincere census we cannot ascertain the minority in the south

Widespread does not insinuate which is larger for all we care Urhonigbe, Abudu and other Eastern Benin communities might have been severed into Delta state and the Binis will say oh we have strong Edo (presense)communities in Delta state. For that fact we are larger than the others. Because of presense of less than 40000 Ofoni in Bayelsa state, the Urhobos claim the 5th largest group, Ijaw on the Other hand claim 4th largest because of the three Ward they have in Edo state, one of them I think Oduna is Also shared between Bini and Ijaw communities, Bini communities like Oduna, Ugbine, Ughoton and others is present in that Ward, while in Delta state, the only senatorial district they occupy, they share strongly with the Isoko, Itsekiri and the Urhobo. Isoko with two local government, Itsekiri majority in one of the warri councills and strong presence in two others, Urhobo Majority in warri south. Even their Bayelsa state is the least populated in the country, some(nairalanders )persons have sworn that they ve not met an Ijaw in their lives. Edo south is the most populated senatorial district in Edo state and one of the most populated in the south south

Local government is not a yardstick for population strength, it is most times not close to, Oredo today is among the most populated local government in the country and it is just one local government, Oredo can be divided into 5 and numerically they will all stand. The same with Egor and Ikpoba Okha. Even Ovia North East now.

Unless there is a sincere census in the country we cannot ascertain the least populated tribe in the south. Most of the other tribe only became 4th and 5th largest group with their mouth no proof.

The requirement for the creation of a local government numerically in Nigeria is as low as 50000 so local government is not a Yardstick, not one even close to. Edo south as a senatorial district did as much as 1. 3 million in voters registration bigger with 400000 above Ekiti state in 2019. Ekiti with 16 local government, Bini with 7, you can't give what you don't have. It is not a Yardstick at all. The entire cross river state with eighteen local government areas which the Efik is a part of did 1.5million in voters registration while Edo south as a single senatorial district did as high as 1.3million. Again you can't give what you don't have. The same cross river state that was said to be numerically stronger than Edo state in the 2006 population Census yet Edo state left her behind with a whopping 600,000 in voters registration. Facts like these will always expose the insincere census the country conducted in 2006.

What about Osun state with 30 local government is light years(500000) behind Edo state(with eighteen local government areas,of which the major chunk of the population in the state came from the Bini speaking areas) in terms of voters registration for a state
that was said to be more numerically stronger than Edo in 2006.

Little wonder the Otaru of Auchi feared a Bini domination in the state in 1996 where he had wanted a separate state for the Esans and the Afemai, in his words Edo south was big enough to stand alone, what does the Otaru know that you don't know? Find out https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/otaru-of-auchi-how-we-lost-out-in-the-bid-to-create-afemesan-state/&ved=2ahUKEwjpk5Ot_OL0AhWNxYUKHfaDDmoQFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0LaFfDTyS-rnpL90Yyv0Qu This is a link to the interview you can read it all

GreatBoss:


Ofoni is Ijaw

GreatBoss:


You just successfully wrote trash that you convince yourself with.

Ologbo147:
https://www.nairaland.com/2289624/meet-ofoni-people-bayelsa-only