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Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by Odidigboigbo(m): 10:47pm On Dec 02, 2021
FreeStuffsNG:
Direct Primaries will address the legitimacy problems most of the elected public officials are having.

Don't mind the naysayers, Direct Primaries is actually cheaper but trust politicians, especially the state Governors, to have a sinister reason for attempting to confuse some people.

Because most of them lack legitimacy, they pay so much in indirect primaries system to buy loyalty from ward level to the state assembly so they can fight their political opponents in federal executive council, national assembly and national executive council of their political parties.


The prolonged and perennial fights the Edo State Governor, HE Godwin Obaseki, has with his political opponents is traced to the indirect primaries system that foisted him on PDP after allegedly parting with about 6 billion naira to buy the PDP structure in Edo State. No direct primaries to elect a gubernatorial candidate will cost N6 billion! In fact, if PDP had done direct primaries in Edo, hardly will it spend up to N100m for the organisation but the Governor allegedly paid N6 billion to buy the ticket. This is what is going on in most of the 36 states of the federation. The corruption case EFCC made against HE Fayose is traced to the problem associated with the bad indirect primaries system.

No direct primaries will cost even half of the billions HE Obaseki allegedly paid Chief Dan Orbih and Co to buy Edo PDP. He is still spending to buy loyalty to chase out his percieved opponents from Edo State PDP. So who do they think they are fooling when they say Governors oppose direct primaries because of cost? They are spending far more to buy legitimacy after getting to power through undemocratic processes !

Indirect primaries is the joker some Governors used to cheat the democratic system and take the electorates as easily dispensable and it must be stopped.

Just last week, HE Ortom, had the effontery to call Benue state indigenes drunkards just because he doesn't see their support as a necessary requirement. As bad as the Lekkilies promoters have behaved, HE Sanwo-Olu has never used unsavoury words for them and this is because he knows that he is the leader of the bad, ugly and good.

Direct Primaries is the way to go. President Muhammadu Buhari should please sign the bill into law.

All the enemies of Nigeria will lose las las. They always lose. God bless Nigeria forever.
You are talking from a layman perspective, indirect primaries is the easiest to manipulate, once you captured the party structure, you are good to go, you have less to worry about. With the party structure in your control, you can appointed your loyalist as returning officers from the unit level to the state level. I guess you know the outcome of such process, when you are the Umpire of the game you are competing on.
Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by FreeStuffsNG: 10:51pm On Dec 02, 2021
Odidigboigbo:
You are talking from a layman perspective, indirect primaries is the easiest to manipulate, once you captured the party structure, you are good to go, you have less to worry about. With the party structure in your control, you can appointed your loyalist as returning officers from the unit level to the state level. I guess you know the outcome of such process, when you are the Umpire of the game you are competing on.
You are not the umpire of direct primaries and you can pay people and they will still vote against you. With indirect primaries, there's even no election, they call it one yeye consensus. They just submit the consensus list! shocked
I just want to oppose the lie that direct primaries are expensive. The current indirect primaries system is not democratic and turns the beneficiaries into demigods who start using state resources to buy legitimacy they lacked.
Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by Nobody: 11:06pm On Dec 02, 2021
ignis:
Buhari does not understand all this grammer.
And yet He was able to become your President without understanding Grammar grin grin cheesy
Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by Odidigboigbo(m): 11:11pm On Dec 02, 2021
FreeStuffsNG:

You are not the umpire of direct primaries and you can pay people and they will still vote against you. With indirect primaries, there's even no election, they call it one yeye consensus. They just submit the consensus list! shocked
I just want to oppose the lie that direct primaries are expensive. The current indirect primaries system is not democratic and turns the beneficiaries into demigods who start using state resources to buy legitimacy they lacked.
Where would the returning officers of direct primaries from the unit and ward levels will be appointed from? They are appointed by the state party excos. So if you're the one in control of the excos (party structure) who will you appoint? It's about 5 people the national executive will send to conduct the election and they don't go to the field, it's these state excos that will appoint those that will conduct the election in the LGA, Ward and Unit level. Who do you think they will appoint? Take current Anambra State as a case study, no single voting materials arrived at the polling units, which was attested to by INEC officers, yet results was announced. You are talking as an outsider, you don't know how it works. If you are arguing on the cost implications, good and fine but definitely, not on the credibility of the process.
Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by FreeStuffsNG: 12:13am On Dec 03, 2021
Odidigboigbo:
Where would the returning officers of direct primaries from the unit and ward levels will be appointed from? They are appointed by the state party excos. So if you're the one in control of the excos (party structure) who will you appoint? It's about 5 people the national executive will send to conduct the election and they don't go to the field, it's these state excos that will appoint those that will conduct the election in the LGA, Ward and Unit level. Who do you think they will appoint? Take current Anambra State as a case study, no single voting materials arrived at the polling units, which was attested to by INEC officers, yet results was announced. You are talking as an outsider, you don't know how it works. If you are arguing on the cost implications, good and fine but definitely, not on the credibility of the process.
Sir, have you pondered on why Governors who are insiders insiders are afraid of direct primaries?

Why do you think PDP Governors who even shared almost all the National Exco offices among themselves are suddenly worried, after all, they are firmly in control of the National and state party structures? Let me help you sir, it is because some people will collect your money and vote against you at direct primaries and since INEC will be there, it will be too late to reverse the defeat. Most of the Governors know that they have legitimacy issues sir. If it was direct primaries in place, HE Godwin Obaseki would have paid the alleged N6 billion and still lose because of the way direct primaries work.

You sound so confident as if we are just trying direct primaries in this country when the whole 3rd republic was built on it and option A4.
Direct primaries system is not a new thing and it was in use during the 3rd republic. All you describe are no longer important the moment people are able to vote . With direct primaries, once the process that produce you is tainted and the one who didn't win is foisted on the party , the party is in trouble. It happened in Lagos State when the direct primaries of SDP to choose between late Prof Agbalajobi of UNILAG and late Chief Dapo Sarumi was tainted, it ended up making Lagos to fall into the hands of NRC's late Sir Michael Otedola. Lagosians voted against SDP because the candidate being put forward by the tainted direct primaries have legitimacy issues.
Lest we derail, my emphasis is to debunk the lie that direct primaries are expensive. It is a lie. It's cheap and in fact, all these charade of litigations arising from indirect primaries system will stop or drastically reduce!

President Muhammadu Buhari should please sign the new electoral bill.
God bless Nigeria forever.
Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by ignis: 12:27am On Dec 03, 2021
Himtulie247:

And yet He was able to become your President without understanding Grammar grin grin cheesy

And so?
Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by Nobody: 2:09am On Dec 03, 2021
ignis:


And so?
And so ?.....
He is your President and Commander in-Chief !
You must obey and take command from him , wether you like it or Not ! grin grin grin
Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by ogwumgbe: 6:10am On Dec 03, 2021
Penguin2:


Did I read you say “stupid PDP”?

I guess you are blind to numerous reports of APC governors pressing Buhari’s neck not to sign the Bill.

Direct Primaries would be too chaotic to manage with parties not having adequate register to monitor and determine the credibility of results.

That section should be yanked off. And I’m pretty sure it would.

Direct primaries is the way to go, Anything that these governors cry against is good to the country, they are among the stumbling blocks of Nigeria development as a Nation
Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by Odidigboigbo(m): 8:13am On Dec 03, 2021
FreeStuffsNG:

Sir, have you pondered on why Governors who are insiders insiders are afraid of direct primaries?

Why do you think PDP Governors who even shared almost all the National Exco offices among themselves are suddenly worried, after all, they are firmly in control of the National and state party structures? Let me help you sir, it is because some people will collect your money and vote against you at direct primaries and since INEC will be there, it will be too late to reverse the defeat. Most of the Governors know that they have legitimacy issues sir. If it was direct primaries in place, HE Godwin Obaseki would have paid the alleged N6 billion and still lose because of the way direct primaries work.

You sound so confident as if we are just trying direct primaries in this country when the whole 3rd republic was built on it and option A4.
Direct primaries system is not a new thing and it was in use during the 3rd republic. All you describe are no longer important the moment people are able to vote . With direct primaries, once the process that produce you is tainted and the one who didn't win is foisted on the party , the party is in trouble. It happened in Lagos State when the direct primaries of SDP to choose between late Prof Agbalajobi of UNILAG and late Chief Dapo Sarumi was tainted, it ended up making Lagos to fall into the hands of NRC's late Sir Michael Otedola. Lagosians voted against SDP because the candidate being put forward by the tainted direct primaries have legitimacy issues.
Lest we derail, my emphasis is to debunk the lie that direct primaries are expensive. It is a lie. It's cheap and in fact, all these charade of litigations arising from indirect primaries system will stop or drastically reduce!

President Muhammadu Buhari should please sign the new electoral bill.
God bless Nigeria forever.
The capital involved in conducting direct primaries is not my issue. The issue have with you is the confidence of direct primaries being more transparent than indirect primaries. For your information, INEC does not conduct primaries be it direct or indirect. Thank God you mentioned faulted direct primaries in Lagos State of third Republic, the same thing plays out in recent APC governorship direct primaries that produced Andy Uba. What I'm saying is that any person that controls the structure of the party determines who win the primaries, I stand to be corrected on that. No matter how popular you are, if are not in the main scheme of the party structure, you can't win, this is because it is the executive that will appoint those that will conduct the primary. Are you aware that 90% of units in Anambra APC did not get voting materials in Anambra APC direct primaries as attested by INEC observers and yet result was declared? In Edo State you are mentioning, I can't talk of any 6 billion naira that was expended by Obaseki to secured his candidature. But what I will tell you is that because he not the one that hold the party structure, that may likely work against him if direct primaries was conducted. Secondly, I think his opponents were persuaded to step down for him, the same thing may likely happened if there is provision for direct primary in the party because, the structure can be used against whoever that goes against it. The same reason that made him to leave APC because Oshiomhole hold the structure, which Oshiomhole has been using to manipulate against him.

The Okoko is that whoever that holds the party structure, determines who wins the primaries. Every politician in Nigeria knows that, that is why the major fight is to secure the party structure.
If you are not politician, you won't understand.
Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by West1side: 8:29am On Dec 03, 2021
You are both a fool n a luNatic.
Do you not know direct primary give power to the masses instead of moneybags n governors or madness as destroyed your thinking faculty.


Penguin2:
That Electoral Bill should be sent back to the NASS abeg.

It’s obvious that Direct Primaries can’t work.
Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by West1side: 8:33am On Dec 03, 2021
All of you are cursed do the British or USA do indirect primary in whatever disguise ?

Just imagine how this lunatic argue like they are insane.


ityP:

Even small departmental elections dey cost plenty money. Direct primaries might start today, but they will null it later. It's not sustainable
Re: Direct Primaries: INEC Rules Out Government Funding For Political Parties by ityP(m): 9:47am On Dec 03, 2021
West1side:
All of you are cursed do the British or USA do indirect primary in whatever disguise ?

Just imagine how this lunatic argue like they are insane.



All these your cry will not change the decision they'll arrive at. So calm down and wait cheesy cheesy grin

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