Let's watch how this unfold...I'm in oyo

Minjim:


Ibadan in Yoruba means Eba odan and this king that died is the first


I was expecting you to dispute with fact

This king that died is the first? Are you sure? Why don't you just google Olubadan and read the wiki page that comes up

ejimatic:
. Has the siut been entertained? Do you know why it was abandoned? As long as it has not been entertained he remains a chief not a king.No court in Nigeria has pronounced him a king! He is the next king of Ibadan. As he becomes the king abandoned suit is status barred. This is my opinion with due respect to all Ibadan people.

Who has the authority to appoint someone a king? Court or governor?

illicit:


Historically they are as good as Kings especially the Balogun

He has his own chiefs Otun Balogun, osi Balogun, eketa, ekerin, ekaruj, ekefa et Al just like the olubadan, on the Balogun side there are 22 steps, Balogun is the Pinnacle

On the olubadan side, there are 21 steps, the Pinnacle is olubadan

This actually means that the olubadan and Balogun are at par

They are Ibas not Obas per se

Ibas are titles for people who are Kings in their rights but can't be called oba because they are not the crowned figure

Balogun especially means obalogun, king at war/on the field, just like Aare who must not stay in a town with a king

In short I mean a Balogun in Ibadan is synonymous to aare and as good as a king

Atobatele

Not exactly true though. The Balogun is as you said is the General of the King's army. Don't forget Ibadan was founded by warriors. That is why the Balogun line has right to the throne. In other towns and system, the Balogun can never become King so as to avoid the possibility of a coup. In actual fact, the Olubadan is a Baale not a king. The position used to be occupied by the Basorun not the Balogun until the lines of succession were carved out in the early 1900s or so.
It is the Basorun and the Olubadan that are at par not the Balogun and Olubadan. As a matter of fact, it was during Ogunmola's reign that the two were merged to become one. The Basorun is the highest military title while the Olubadan is the highest beaded civil title usually attained by the Agba Oye in those times.

Agbegbaorogboye:


Who has the authority to appoint someone a king? Court or governor?

Procedures in each town differs.However generally the Kingmakers Who are usually chiefs will recommend to the Governor with the approval of the Local Government Service Commission.The governor will finally approve and coronation will be organised.If due process is not followed a court of law can nullify the selection process.

bjnice:



Just eight months of delay and you already hate Yorubaland your ancestral homeland.
What if linger on like my hometown that span up to 24 years before they could install a new King? What could you say then?
Obaship will continue to remain a tussle as long as the world remains. And in Yorubaland, it is difficult to have just one ruling house. Even if their is just one ruling house conflicts will emerged.

24 years? Tell me the place.

Kingbenn:
But why is it that anyone can just be crowned a king in Ibadan even if the person is not from the lineages of Kings. What sort of tradition is that, now dem don dey carry matter go court. Tueh

You are not well informed about this topic.

ejimatic:
Procedures in each town differs.However generally the Kingmakers Who are usually chiefs will recommend to the Governor with the approval of the Local Government Service Commission.The governor will finally approve and coronation will be organised.If due process is not followed a court of law can nullify the selection process.

That says it all!! As long as the appointing authority which is the governor in this case has appointed a king, the individual remains a king except his appointment is rescinded by the governor or quashed by a court. So I think the Lekan Balogun is a king at this present time.

Agbegbaorogboye:


That says it all!! As long as the appointing authority which is the governor in this case has appointed a king, the individual remains a king except his appointment is rescinded by the governor or quashed by a court. So I think the Lekan Balogun is a king at this present time.

. My opinion is similar to yours that Lekan Balogun is the new king as long no governor made him a king before regardless of any pending but unentertained suit at the court...

Femeto:
24 years? Tell me the place.

Ikoro-Ekiti, in Ekiti State. The period was between 1984-2008.

Agbegbaorogboye:


Not exactly true though. The Balogun is as you said is the General of the King's army. Don't forget Ibadan was founded by warriors. That is why the Balogun line has right to the throne. In other towns and system, the Balogun can never become King so as to avoid the possibility of a coup. In actual fact, the Olubadan is a Baale not a king. The position used to be occupied by the Basorun not the Balogun until the lines of succession were carved out in the early 1900s or so.
It is the Basorun and the Olubadan that are at par not the Balogun and Olubadan. As a matter of fact, it was during Ogunmola's reign that the two were merged to become one. The Basorun is the highest military title while the Olubadan is the highest beaded civil title usually attained by the Agba Oye in those times.

Exactly

The position of the Generalissimo is at par with the olubadan

The Otun olubadan is a chief to the Olubadan while the Balogun is a chief of Ibadan and not necessarily loyal to the Olubadan.

He had his own chiefs, Otun, osi etc just like the Olubadan

He is a king too but without a crown

illicit:


Exactly

The position of the Generalissimo is at par with the olubadan

The Otun olubadan is a chief to the Olubadan while the Balogun is a chief of Ibadan and not necessarily loyal to the Olubadan.

He had his own chiefs, Otun, osi etc just like the Olubadan

He is a king too but without a crown

No sir. You're still missing it. The Balogun is a chief to the Olubadan. He is the Olubadan's commander just as Aare Ona Kakanfo is the commander of the Alaafin's army. Every town where there is a king has a Balogun in Yoruba land. Do you know Obasanjo is Balogun of Owu?
The Balogun is not a king. He is more like the Chief of Defense Staff in modern times.
Like I said, the peculiarity of the Ibadan system whereby the Balogun can become king is because of the warlike status of the founders of Ibadan. Due to the possibility of a coup, the Balogun was also given right to become king moreso the Balogun in those days was answerable to the Alaafin and not the Baale. It is a testament to their warrior capabilities not the status of the Balogun per se.

Agbegbaorogboye:


No sir. You're still missing it. The Balogun is a chief to the Olubadan. He is the Olubadan's commander just as Aare Ona Kakanfo is the commander of the Alaafin's army. Every town where there is a king has a Balogun in Yoruba land. Do you know Obasanjo is Balogun of Owu?
The Balogun is not a king. He is more like the Chief of Defense Staff in modern times.
Like I said, the peculiarity of the Ibadan system whereby the Balogun can become king is because of the warlike status of the founders of Ibadan. Due to the possibility of a coup, the Balogun was also given right to become king moreso the Balogun in those days was answerable to the Alaafin and not the Baale. It is a testament to their warrior capabilities not the status of the Balogun per se.

No sir

The kingship and Balogun system of Ibadan can not be compared to their counterparts in other Yoruba lands

No Balogun elsewhere has otun, osi, eketa etc

Why they have this is because at war the Balogun is King

Check the discrepancies in the 21 step of the Olubadan line and the 22 step of Balogun line

The Olubadan line at 21 steps become Olubadan, the Balogun line at 21 steps become Balogun wih his own chiefs


The Otun olubadan has no chiefs, he is a chief to the Olubadan but the same can't be said exactly of the Balogun who commands an Army and chiefs whether there is an Olubadan or not

We are on the same page but these discrepancies can be explored to any sides advantage or disadvantage

illicit:


No sir

The kingship and Balogun system of Ibadan can not be compared to their counterparts in other Yoruba lands

No Balogun elsewhere has otun, osi, eketa etc

Why they have this is because at war the Balogun is King

Check the discrepancies in the 21 step of the Olubadan line and the 22 step of Balogun line

The Olubadan line at 21 steps become Olubadan, the Balogun line at 21 steps become Balogun wih his own chiefs


The Otun olubadan has no chiefs, he is a chief to the Olubadan but the same can't be said exactly of the Balogun who commands an Army and chiefs whether there is an Olubadan or not

We are on the same page but these discrepancies can be explored to any sides advantage or disadvantage

It's not true that only Ibadan has otun Balogun and Osi Balogun. There are other towns with such titles. Modakeke and Erunmu are good examples. The eketa ekerin etc are just extensions as the names connotes to put each on the line of succession to the throne. They are not necessarily titles. That's why they are sequential and not by appointment.
There are other towns were the Balogun assumes kingship during warfare. The reason is so that if they are defeated, it is the Balogun that is captured not the king.
There is no discrepancies in the line. Mind you, the iyalode has 21 lines too. Is she a king/Queen in her right too?
I already explained why the Balogun has those chiefs. They are his deputies in the army functionally. It is modern times that has made them paramount chiefs.
Note that the Otun Olubadan and the Balogun have equal status as second class traditional rulers according to the laws of old Western Nigeria. So if both are recognised as equal, how can the Balogun be equal to the olubadan? That will imply that the Otun Olubadan is also equal to the Olubadan don't you think?

ejimatic:
. My opinion is similar to yours that Lekan Balogun is the new king as long no governor made him a king before regardless of any pending but unentertained suit at the court...

Oh ok. Ajimobi made him a king

Agbegbaorogboye:

Oh ok. Ajimobi made him a king

. Did Ajumobi follow the procedure? No No governor can unilaterally make a person a king with political interest.No wonder an Ibadan court nullified it. An Appeal court ordered a retrial but Oyo government waded in again and settled it out of court. So Ajumobi abracadabra. Is null and void. However Lekan Balogun went to court afresh but the suit has never been entertained. So Lekan Balogun remains a chief because he has never won the case aunthenticating his kingship. As I said earlier I am not from Ibadan but Balogun Lekan is the next Olubadan.Any suit in court is status barred.

ejimatic:
. Did Ajumobi follow the procedure? No No governor can unilaterally make a person a king with political interest.No wonder an Ibadan court nullified it. An Appeal court ordered a retrial but Oyo government waded in again and settled it out of court. So Ajumobi abracadabra. Is null and void. However Lekan Balogun went to court afresh but the suit has never been entertained. So Lekan Balogun remains a chief because he has never won the case aunthenticating his kingship. As I said earlier I am not from Ibadan but Balogun Lekan is the next Olubadan.Any suit in court is status barred.

What procedure did Ajimobi not follow? The eleven high chiefs are known as rulers in the LG of their domain. In fact, the Balogun and Otun are recognised as second class traditional rulers by the law. So what Ajimobi purportedly did was to unilaterally elevate them to first class beaded kings. While that may be faulty, you are very much aware that only a court can pronounce a governor's official actions null. Since the appeal court nullified that judgement, the status quo is that they remain kings as ordered by the governor. The out of court may be a way out for lekan Balogun though I don't know how binding it is.

[quote author=ejimatic post=109061429]. Has the siut been entertained? Do you know why it was abandoned? As long as it has not been entertained he remains a chief not a king.No court in Nigeria has pronounced him a king! He is the next king of Ibadan. As he becomes the king abandoned suit is status barred. This is my opinion with due respect to all Ibadan people.


The principle of " invito beneficium non datur"states that the law cannot confer a benefit to a man, which he does not desire. Making lekan the olubadan is a position he does not desire, since he has initiated a suit to become a lesser oba.
Before now he decided not to withdraw the suit, because he knows once it is withdrawn he cannot file on the same issue again. This means he has the intention to become a lesser oba.
Remember there was a consent judgement he went against, by initiating this fresh suit. A suit entertained or not is a suit until it is withdrawn by the claimant. Now my judgement! Lekan cannot become olubadan until that suit is withdrawn. And if the suit has been joint,then shikena!

[quote author=Munamu post=109077990][/quote]. Let us await how the events will unfold.Appreciation goes to all those who have contributed to the Ibadan kingship tussle....Kudos to you all for your brilliance

[quote author=Munamu post=109077990][/quote] Let us await how the events will unfold.Appreciation goes to all those who have contributed to the Ibadan kingship tussle....Kudos to you all for your brilliance