SocialJustice:
Did you see the YIAGA townhall meeting on NTA this evening?

Jega said political parties do not have a register with which INEC can conduct direct primaries.

Unfortunately we will continue to fool ourselves so let the party continues.

It is apparent that they don't even understand the concept of OPEN PRIMARIES cos what they have in mind is closed primaries.

SocialJustice:

Direct primary has to removed for now to allow the rest of the bill scale through, hopefully the next dispensation will make direct primary a thing.

Then we should start preparing to have another terrible leader for the next 8 years.

PHIPEX:


1. If you make it compulsory the political parties must change their own constitutions to reflect it. This will take over a year to happen and undermine 2023 election
2. It has never stopped electoral fraud, eg Anambra APC primary election
3. INEC does not have the fund to conduct such across the country for over 80political parties
4. The parties don't have a reliable register of members, every tom dick and harry can still claim membership and vote
5. Anyone with enough money power can still bribe his way through and win. The biggest money power wins.
6. The countries we are emulating are yet to make it compulsory because they know the challenges involved.

Hmmmm... A lot seems off with all of this really.
1. How and what do u think they can change in the party constitution to manipulate it

2. Please don't use Nigeria as a case study

3. Inec funds? Or you really mean Nigeria does not have enough to fund direct primaries

4. Talking of bribe: Don't you think it will cost even more to bribe ur through in a direct primary than an indirect primary where u only av a few people to convince
5. Please mention the contries we are trying to emulate then we can proceed with the argument from there.

Toks2008:


That was the reason Buhari even gave.

That's sounds more like an easy bail out not to sign that in to law....

The only reasonable bill that the 9th assembly would have achieved but their sponsors are against it. But I beg Gbaja and his cronies to use this bill and prove APC to be truly progressive. But as citizens we need to give them the necessary support because if this part of the electioneering process is achieved then godfatherism will die a natural death and credibility will come to play in selecting or electing political flagbearers of parties in Nigeria.

Toks2008:


Unfortunately we will continue to fool ourselves so let the party continues.

It is apparent that they don't even understand the concept of OPEN PRIMARIES cos what they have in mind is closed primaries.

They were not against direct primary, time is the major issue here.

The most important thing in the bill is electronic transmission of results and only allowing accredited voters to vote. No more incident form. With these alone, next election will be the most credible election in Nigeria's history.

Also have you seen the cost of direct primary elections? We can not use $1bn to conduct election, Nigeria can not afford that and it will spiral into a big issue in future.

Toks2008:


Then we should start preparing to have another terrible leader for the next 8 years.

Direct primary is just one component of so many others. Terrible politicians can of course scale through without direct primary but it won't be so forever. Guaranteeing our votes get counted and no human intervention in result compilation is a big boost.

Israeljones:

Hmmmm... A lot seems off with all of this really.
1. How and what do u think they can change in the party constitution to manipulate it

2. Please don't use Nigeria as a case study

3. Inec funds? Or you really mean Nigeria does not have enough to fund direct primaries

4. Talking of bribe: Don't you think it will cost even more to bribe ur through in a direct primary than an indirect primary where u only av a few people to convince
5. Please mention the contries we are trying to emulate then we can proceed with the argument from there.

We have been emulating the US in most of our democratic processes yet even US as experienced as they are have not made direct primaries compulsory. Direct primary is good but contentious for now.

Toks2008:

OH I think you assumed that people love Ambode but that is where you got it wrong.

I don't know what Ambode did but for some reasons people just don't want him anymore, Forget the online love. Elections are done and offline

Very accurate submission

Amotolongbo:
Surely, I agree with you on that.

If you go back to see where I mentioned Buhari and other APC governors who were nominated based on direct primary, it was on the second point where you said “it will increase productivity”.
Nigeria’s problem is so complex that on can’t generalise solution.

All the same, your opinions and suggestions are good and if we all are ready to make the nation great, the country shall be great

Just leave Tinubu urchins with their myopic views. They are shouting direct primaries because they do not understand beyond their wish for their godfather. Questions they avoid are:
1. Buhari got 25m votes in 2014 direct primaries conducted by Oshomole. In the main elections, he got about12.5m (including bogus results from Kano, Katsina and Bornu).
2. Sanwu-olu got about 650k in primaries, in main election, he barely got 550k.
3. Andy Uba got 230k in primaries, in elections, he got less than 100k votes. Direct primaries lacks credibility.
The cost is prohibitive. There is no point beating a horse. Any member of NASS with 2 heads should challenge the president.
We are good with delegates, afterall delegates are elected by direct primaries.

Amotolongbo:
Though in a sane clime, direct primary promises those positive effects. We have had some direct primaries in Nigeria and saw the effect.

1. Remove Godfatherism? Osun state APC had primary election prior to the 2018 gubernatorial election in the state. The Godfather from Lagos, Bola Ahmed Tinubu, had Governor Gboyega Oyetola winning the primary as against the wish of the siting governor.
Moreover, did the primary election remove Godfatherism in Lagos state where Sanwo Olu won the incumbent, Ambode?

2 Give rise to Productivity?
The last time I checked, Muhammadu Buhari and some APC governors were given the 2019 election ticket to contest by the party through the direct primary, has that increased their productivity?

3. Make the main election process a jamboree?
Last Anambra State gubernatorial election is a case study here where Senator Andy Uba was alleged to have 230,201 votes. This makes the election process a “jamboree” when the total vote cast was even a little above the 230,201 a candidate had in the direct primary election.

4. Verily, there will be more money to be shared and the money will get to the grassroot to lure the party members to vote unlike in indirect when few delegates are gathered.

Agreed with you absolutely. I think some on this platform just choose to talk without experience.

Godfatherism removed a very enterprising Governor Ambode and inserted the present man who the same people who voted for him have labeled “Pointus Pilate”. Ambode moved Lagos forward in great strides and they foolishly hung him on the tree of refuse and refusal to release money to the ward and state executives. In two years, has Lagos moved forward with the present leadership? NO. Go to pen cinema in the day and in the night and witness the transformation. He was abused, but today the people enjoy it.

Money plays a huge role in party politics at the ward level. Everyone needs money from the ward chairman to the canvassers. They all accept money from all candidates within the same party with promises to vote for them. The system gets corrupted within the wards are their hands are soiled with gifts and bribes. The positions therefore are hijacked by the highest bidders. The so called ward party members dance to the tune of the money bags, so there is a big problem with money within the wards.

The challenge we have is that intellectuals are not involved with politics at the wards levels. They are hindered at the wards as there is a great demand for bribes at the wards. If you get to the wards, you will find mostly area boys and people who largely hang around with no visible means of livelihood as card carrying members. They are the card carrying party members, who sit down waiting for crumbs and instructions from “oga”. Intellectuals wait for professional politicians to secure power and invite them into positions. That way our nation will remain where it is.

Most of the youths on Nairaland are not card carrying members of any political party. All they do is get voters card, come on Nairaland to shout and abuse everyone. You need to be politically involved in the wards, get your own membership card.

Direct primaries are the best, but will never be allowed to work by the godfathers. When they say it is costlier logistically, it is just sentimental. Most people live within their wards. On Election day they can move easily to the designated location. For the politicians, they are scared that there would be a greater amount of people to be given bribes and cash to vote for them.

Direct primaries would give the contestant an idea of what to expect on election day. He knows that so so amount of card carrying members voted for him and he expects a turn out of close to that figure, if not all. All he needs is their transportation and feeding, unlike the Anambra case where the man was deceived.

They need to update their registers. Registers are never at the secretariat but in the homes of chairman. For them updating means imputing new names and not checking those lost.

With direct primaries politicians would be forced to engage the citizens more, telling them the importance of belonging to political parties and their rights.

The problem remains that whatever the system is, direct or indirect, godfathers are there to destroy the system. We must get to the stage where political godfathers are dealt a final blow, paving the way for youthful great minds to get involved in the political system from the wards to make elections more attractive and governance better.

Can you be atleast civil in your engagement?

EraseTheDot:

You're a handful sha, just dey complicate simple issues unnecessarily. If Garba Sheu is your own source of knowledge, the law is mine. Buhari was selected as a consensus candidate as Gej was so selected in 2015 unopposed.

And if direct primaries is a game of money bag, then that's you being unreasonably mischievous.
Do you know that direct primaries is synonymous to option A4 which is a far better democratic process than indirect primaries whereby delegates are lodged in an hotel with series of dollar competition. Pls, get adequate understanding.



-erase the dot

Most elections are rigged, you're talking of voting as though you're not aware of rigging.

Do you honestly believe Imo people voted for Hope Uzodinma?

Toks2008:


In 2014, Buhari won through indirect primaries but won with direct in 2018 and that is because the APC members across the country love him as their choice.

See the problem with us is that many people don't vote either in primaries or general elections but they are online showing preference for a particular candidate.

Toks2008:


If you went through the history of the comments you will understand better.

Go back and read.

I don't reread thrash.

Cantonese:


Agreed with you absolutely. I think some on this platform just choose to talk without experience.

Godfatherism removed a very enterprising Governor Ambode and inserted the present man who the same people who voted for him have labeled “Pointus Pilate”. Ambode moved Lagos forward in great strides and they foolishly hung him on the tree of refuse and refusal to release money to the ward and state executives. In two years, has Lagos moved forward with the present leadership? NO. Go to pen cinema in the day and in the night and witness the transformation. He was abused, but today the people enjoy it.

Money plays a huge role in party politics at the ward level. Everyone needs money from the ward chairman to the canvassers. They all accept money from all candidates within the same party with promises to vote for them. The system gets corrupted within the wards are their hands are soiled with gifts and bribes. The positions therefore are hijacked by the highest bidders. The so called ward party members dance to the tune of the money bags, so there is a big problem with money within the wards.

The challenge we have is that intellectuals are not involved with politics at the wards levels. They are hindered at the wards as there is a great demand for bribes at the wards. If you get to the wards, you will find mostly area boys and people who largely hang around with no visible means of livelihood as card carrying members. They are the card carrying party members, who sit down waiting for crumbs and instructions from “oga”. Intellectuals wait for professional politicians to secure power and invite them into positions. That way our nation will remain where it is.

Most of the youths on Nairaland are not card carrying members of any political party. All they do is get voters card, come on Nairaland to shout and abuse everyone. You need to be politically involved in the wards, get your own membership card.

Direct primaries are the best, but will never be allowed to work by the godfathers. When they say it is costlier logistically, it is just sentimental. Most people live within their wards. On Election day they can move easily to the designated location. For the politicians, they are scared that there would be a greater amount of people to be given bribes and cash to vote for them.

Direct primaries would give the contestant an idea of what to expect on election day. He knows that so so amount of card carrying members voted for him and he expects a turn out of close to that figure, if not all. All he needs is their transportation and feeding, unlike the Anambra case where the man was deceived.

They need to update their registers. Registers are never at the secretariat but in the homes of chairman. For them updating means imputing new names and not checking those lost.

With direct primaries politicians would be forced to engage the citizens more, telling them the importance of belonging to political parties and their rights.

The problem remains that whatever the system is, direct or indirect, godfathers are there to destroy the system. We must get to the stage where political godfathers are dealt a final blow, paving the way for youthful great minds to get involved in the political system from the wards to make elections more attractive and governance better.

You made valid points.

But I noticed that many people are ignorant of the term. OPEN DIRECT PRIMARIES.. I took time out to explain it but many still missed it.

Anyways let's just hope and pray for the best.

SocialJustice:
They were not against direct primary, time is the major issue here.

The most important thing in the bill is electronic transmission of results and only allowing accredited voters to vote. No more incident form. With these alone, next election will be the most credible election in Nigeria's history.

Also have you seen the cost of direct primary elections? We can not use $1bn to conduct election, Nigeria can not afford that and it will spiral into a big issue in future.

I agree with you but i also noticed that even Jega is ignorant of the type of direct primaries we have.

If INEC adopts open Direct primary, they don't need any party to submit the list of their registered members because in Open direct primaries, voters only need voters card and do not need to be a member of any party. They just have to vote once to select a flag bearer meaning if they vote in APC direct primaries, they will not be able to vote in PDP primaries but as i wrote, it is ignorance...all i read here is about CLOSED OPEN PRIMARIES

DMerciful:
Most elections are rigged, you're talking of voting as though you're not aware of rigging.

Do you honestly believe Imo people voted for Hope Uzodinma?

Gosh! una no dey read before una comment?

Ofcourse electronic transmission of result will curb rigging so that aspect is take care of. Anyways it is a good thing that everyone agrees that direct primaries is the way forward even at the town hall meeting but they just want to move forward for now so they may be striking it out.

Of what use is electronic transmission of result if we will all be voting for one out of the imposed flag bearers.

If Tinubu wins through indirect primaries and Atiku wins please tell me what is the essence of electronic transmission in choosing either of these two terrible choices?

Open direct primaries is equally as important as electronic transmission if not more .

Toks2008:


I agree with you but i also noticed that even Jega is ignorant of the type of direct primaries we have.

If INEC adopts open Direct primary, they don't need any party to submit the list of their registered members because in Open direct primaries, voters only need voters card and do not need to be a member of any party. They just have to vote once to select a flag bearer meaning if they vote in APC direct primaries, they will not be able to vote in PDP primaries but as i wrote, it is ignorance...all i read here is about CLOSED OPEN PRIMARIES

The voter register is still needed in what you have described. With what list do you recognise who has voted before and how do you stop them from voting elsewhere? Is it not a register that will be used or do you know another means?

And letting anyone appear at a party primary to vote is a recipe for disaster. A politician can go on the street and buy as many random votes as he needs to win.

Bringing in random voters that are not already party members is also bad because they don't even know other candidates contesting the primary, just the one that brought them to vote and better candidates can easily lose out to the person with financial muscle to bring in more people to vote.

SocialJustice:
The voter register is still needed in what you have described. With what list do you recognise who has voted before and how do you stop them from voting elsewhere? Is it not a register that will be used or do you know another means?

And letting anyone appear at a party primary to vote is a recipe for disaster. A politician can go on the street and buy as many random votes as he needs to win.

Bringing in random voters that are not already party members is also bad because they don't even know other candidates contesting the primary, just the one that brought them to vote and better candidates can easily lose out to the person with financial muscle to bring in more people to vote.

Does INEC not have the registered voters list?

Jega's view was that INEC does not have Th party members register but that is not needed in an open direct primaries.

And I don't understand why people always bring the issue of vote buying as if it does not happen in general elections too.

The question is how many random people will you bribe nation wide?

Guy times have changed and people are not as foolish as they were.

People collect money these days and still vote for their choice.

Direct primary is expensive bla bla bla
Direct Primary is insecure bla bla bla
In my own opinion;
Nigeria itself is Expensive
Nigeria itself is Insecure
The Verdict - Give us Direct Direct Primary

Toks2008:


Does INEC not have the registered voters list?

Jega's view was that INEC does not have Th party members register but that is not needed in an open direct primaries.

Well, let's see how it works out. This method is doable.

SocialJustice:
Well, let's see how it works out. This method is doable.

Very doable bro but it is stark ignorance that is the problem... Everybody is talking about the closed type of Direct primaries where only registered members vote.

nathyx:
Direct primary is expensive bla bla bla
Direct Primary is insecure bla bla bla
In my own opinion;
Nigeria itself is Expensive
Nigeria itself is Insecure
The Verdict - Give us Direct Direct Primary

Unfortunately Direct primaries have been bamboozled out and this is the possible outcome.

Osinbajo may not declare interest because he know he stands no chance against Tinubu in an indirect primaries.

Tinubu will buy the souls of the delegates that will vote in APC indirect primaries and emerge as APC flag bearer.

Another candidate will be imposed on PDP by the power brokers.

Nigerians will now be left once again with two terrible choices... Tinubu and most likely Atiku

Then we Will be forced to vote one out of the two terrible candidates and perpetually sending Nigeria backwards for another 8years.

With direct primaries Osinbajo might still stand the chance but not anymore.

You said it's just your opinion but you are struggling so hard to convince others that don't agree with your view. Everyone has different view about politics from personal experience. The angle you are looking from is different from the angle another person is looking from. No matter the approach you take in a corrupt system of government, you would end up with a corrupt result. The only way out of a corrupt system is to change that system entirely. Both systems can produce good results if done properly. No matter how sharp a cutlass is, if you can't use it properly. It would never cut down a tree.

Why not ask questions on DIRECT primary and IÑDIRECT primary before commenting instead of coming here to disgrace yourself because of the hatred you have against some certain people.
Direct primary that brought Sanwo-olu shew the party members WISH and not political god-fatherism as claimed by you because no dime was spent during the exercise. Governor Oyetola of osun state too was duely elected by all osun state APC members (majority) and that's why when you check the performances of the 2 governors above you will agree with me that they are performing better than those who were picked or handpicked through consensus.
Direct primary enables the elected leaders to perform far better than the other options of yours as claimed. If you want to know more go and join a party and not just reading through social media.

Amotolongbo:
Though in a sane clime, direct primary promises those positive effects. We have had some direct primaries in Nigeria and saw the effect.

1. Remove Godfatherism? Osun state APC had primary election prior to the 2018 gubernatorial election in the state. The Godfather from Lagos, Bola Ahmed Tinubu, had Governor Gboyega Oyetola winning the primary as against the wish of the siting governor.
Moreover, did the primary election remove Godfatherism in Lagos state where Sanwo Olu won the incumbent, Ambode?

2 Give rise to Productivity?
The last time I checked, Muhammadu Buhari and some APC governors were given the 2019 election ticket to contest by the party through the direct primary, has that increased their productivity?

3. Make the main election process a jamboree?
Last Anambra State gubernatorial election is a case study here where Senator Andy Uba was alleged to have 230,201 votes. This makes the election process a “jamboree” when the total vote cast was even a little above the 230,201 a candidate had in the direct primary election.

4. Verily, there will be more money to be shared and the money will get to the grassroot to lure the party members to vote unlike in indirect when few delegates are gathered.

Amotolongbo:
If you read my post well, I I started with your points are valid in sane clime.

But many case studies in Nigeria have nullified the points.

If Ambode was given the second term ticket, would he lose the gubernatorial election.
The fact is that the[b] plan of the Godfather prevailed.[/b]

Get your fact correctly, the call for ambode removal emaniated from prominient party members like former governor aregbesola, it all started from the party members, tinubu as a leader had no choice than to flow along, moreover the replacement is just another son.
Tinubu had no plan to replace ambode, politic is all about where interest alligns so its a case of win win for both electorates & Godfather

ogunsbanjul:
Why not ask questions on DIRECT primary and IÑDIRECT primary before commenting instead of coming here to disgrace yourself because of the hatred you have against some certain people.
Direct primary that brought Sanwo-olu shew the party members WISH and not political god-fatherism as claimed by you because no dime was spent during the exercise. Governor Oyetola of osun state too was duely elected by all osun state APC members (majority) and that's why when you check the performances of the 2 governors above you will agree with me that they are performing better than those who were picked or handpicked through consensus.
Direct primary enables the elected leaders to perform far better than the other options of yours as claimed. If you want to know more go and join a party and not just reading through social media.

Did you take your time to read through his comments very well? I advise you to read through again before arriving at your conclusion. He has not in anyway disgraced himself. What he did was look at the merits and demerits of direct primaries.

But as for me I need to quickly clear the air with you with your comment when you said “no dime was spent”. I wonder how you jumped to that conclusion so fast. Do you want to say there were no logistics like transport and feeding, given to party members, mobilizing them to their respective wards to vote? Do you think it was that simple for the name of Sanwo Olu to be presented by “powers that be” without money exchanging hands, in the Nigeria that we have today? Which Nigerian politician will stand in the sun or rain to vote for free?

Again, direct primaries do not enable leaders perform better. What they do is to allow card carrying party members elect candidates of their choices. Once that happens, the chosen candidates are expected to reciprocate by allowing all citizens enjoy the benefits of their leaderships. But you must ask yourself again, how many of such leaders perform creditably?

That’s what the other guy was trying to tell us.

Please let’s have your response.

So Nigerians cannot vote outside these parties? Atleast with electronic collation and transmission you'd have the confidence to vote for smaller parties and believe that it would count

Toks2008:


Gosh! una no dey read before una comment?

Ofcourse electronic transmission of result will curb rigging so that aspect is take care of. Anyways it is a good thing that everyone agrees that direct primaries is the way forward even at the town hall meeting but they just want to move forward for now so they may be striking it out.

Of what use is electronic transmission of result if we will all be voting for one out of the imposed flag bearers.

If Tinubu wins through indirect primaries and Atiku wins please tell me what is the essence of electronic transmission in choosing either of these two terrible choices?

Open direct primaries is equally as important as electronic transmission if not more .