honestly,they got caught right in the arms

Freestainworld:
Russia would have invaded Ukraine but backed down because they blew their cover.

harmargedon:
that's a lie bro, Russia had no plans to invade Ukraine. US is looking for a reason ftomenter Ukraine like they did to many countries they left in ruins. USA tells you that you're in trouble, they bring their solders into your country, take your oil and resources, destroy your economy, destabilise your government and then walk away.

Oh hmmm... you making sense

So all those Russian troops and weapon moved to Ukraine border is to play table tennis with Ukraine abi. You too get sense

rottennaija:

Even after they repeatedly stated they were not?

The question is, what do you think the 130,000
russian troops are doing close to Ukraine border? To play Ludo with Ukraine?

Just so you know, Russia took over small part of Ukraine in 2014

Baawaa:
Americans with their wrong predictions, that was how they predicted that by 2015 Nigeria will break

it did

Shame on Putin, did you not just shell a border city of Ukraine? Ukraine is a sovereign state and has freedom of association with any body it likes.

5thcolm:


Oh hmmm... you making sense

So all those Russian troops and weapon moved to Ukraine border is to play table tennis with Ukraine abi. You too get sense

And the same Ukraine said they were not under attack from Russia. If at all Russia moved its weapons to Ukraine border, they had reasons to, not necessarily to attack them.

Benjax4all:
u did not tell seun to block pple that always make tribelism comment on Nairaland that is turning is site to something else and pple that insult pple father any how, is rightouseness u are telling him to block,that just commented on is own, without insulting anybody,even if he sounds stupid,just see is post or comment and pass.

I did not tell seun to block him. I want yo block him for always making derailing comments on every post

Freestainworld:
Russia would have invaded Ukraine but backed down because they blew their cover.

U get sense. Don’t mind these other people yarning trash

Freestainworld:
Russia would have invaded Ukraine but backed down because they blew their cover.

Not everyone is a chicken like you

5thcolm:


The question is, what do you think the 130,000
russian troops are doing close to Ukraine border? To play Ludo with Ukraine?

Military drill inside their borders, Russian borders. However, if you refer to Crimea, its a part of the Sovereign State of Russia.

Just so you know, Russia took over small part of Ukraine in 2014

You mean Crimea? They people voted to rejoin Russia. What you don't know is that even if the vote was done 100 times, they would still vote to join Russia 100 times. You know why? Because more than 65% of the population of Crimea are Russians.

sslcrypt:


Like you rightly said they have moved in weapons into Ukraine, which puts Russia in a very difficult spot.

Here is a history lesson for the emotional weak individuals with zero emotional intelligence.

There is a Budapest memorandum on security assurance, Where UK, Russia, USA and Ukraine signed an agreement, the agreement was those 3 powers would respect Ukraine territorial integrity.
In return Ukraine gave up 5000 nuclear weapons and more than 170 intercontinental ballistic missiles and several dozen nuclear bombers. America paid half a billion dollars for Ukraine to pass all these weapons to Russia to be dismantled. Ukraine gave up it means of deterring Russian aggression.

I would have ignored your one-sided and myopic narrative but it would be a disservice to the spirit of truth if warp beliefs like yours are allowed to anchor on such important threads as this. So I will answer your emotionally charged illogical reasonings a bit.

What you have failed to note is that the Budapest Memorandum was Primarily proposed and spearheaded by the US and the UK who fears the increased proliferation of nuclear weapons in the hands of the newly formed formal Soviet states which are just upcoming and lack the security and financial apparatus to keep such weapons from reaching the hands of terrorists organizations. The Yankees knew that it would be better for the inherited weapons to stay put with Russia than on the Ukrainian side, and everyone agreed to this, including Ukraine. So I find it funny and shady when folks like you tried to frame the Budapest agreement as if it's something that was carefully orchestrated by Russia or forced down the throat of Ukraine. And you guys want to make it look like had Ukraine gotten those weapons, Russia would dare not have voiced out her geopolitical concerns as it relates to Ukraine. This is a fallacy at best. Pakistan is a nuclear power nation but the US invaded their airspace to bombed a so-called Bin Laden Target in the country, a man the Pakistani government is reported to be hiding. Why didn't Pakistan nuclear arsenal deterred Uncle Sam? Now equate that to Ukraine and Russia sharing borders....the capture would have been even more easier except you're the Hollywood braindead type who believe it's only America that does it best.

Fast forward
For one the Ukrainians themselves ousted their former president victor yanukovych, who was purely a Russian puppet in their eyes, because when he fled kyiv he later turned up in Russia. This meant Russia had shredded that agreement with Ukraine. After he fled the Ukraine parliament known as the Rada appointed an acting ministers and president, they wanted economic prosperity and proceeded to sign an association agreement with the European union. Just after taking this action armed men began occupying key facilities and check points on the Crimea peninsula. The whole operation showed all signs of professional soldiers, who had combat fatigues, Putin at first denied they were Russian soldiers and later admit that they were and awarded commendation to their commanders. Doesn't this tell you that Russia had no respect for the agreement and had planned 4 steps ahead in taking the country by force?

This just shows how misinformed or deliberately biased you are towards plain truth. The Ukrainian people per se did not overthrow Yanukovich, you are just regurgating western mainstream media bullshiit.

Yanukovich was overthrown by a carefully orchestrated color-coded revolution, which is a covert but equally devastating coup d' tat. Victoria Nuland's 'fuvk the EU' recorded conversation is still there for all to see. Go and read up on how the CIA color coded revolution via their NGOs (NED, USAID) works. Ukriane has always been a strategic mission of the CIA since America sees it as the chief corner Stone towards establishing a first-strike capability and military advantage over Russia, with the main goal being the Sevastopol blue water port. The initial plan was to bring Ukraine under strict US influence via an economic deal with the EU. The Russians counter with a better offer which offers Ukraine so much incentives one of which is cheap gas which they still enjoy till date, and as a result, Yanukovich, opted for the Russian deal, couple with the fact that he knew of the primary intent of the American driven EU package. The EU didn't have any problem with the president decision and wanted the status quo to remain, but the US as spearheaded by Victoria Nuland knew their grand plans would fail and were visibly angry with the EU for taking a conciliatory stance on the matter. Then they proceeded to plan B.

Immediately, organized protests (which normally draws in unsuspecting citizens that also normally disagree with certain actions of their government) moved into the streets in Kiev and the CIA saboteurs among them went on rampage, and the carefully placed unknown snipers took out several innocent protesters to trigger a massive regroup and emotional blowback from the people, culminating in the disarray in the Yanukovich government and he had no choice but to flee to Russia.

But all these while, the Russian secret service saw it coming and were well prepared to dish out their own plate of surprise to the west -- a surprise that shocked the west and prove to America that Russia is grandmaster of the geopolitical game.

It was shocking to the western partners and Ukraine, Ukraine couldn't take action because many enlisted men in the military at the Crimea garrison came from Crimea. Things moved quickly and by early March the Crimean supreme council voted to ask to accede to Russia, then proceeded to schedule a referendum on march 16. This referendum offered only two choices join Russia or return to 1992 constitution, which gave the peninsula significant autonomy.
This was one of the fraudulent move orchestrated on the Ukrainians, because the ballot sheet had no box to tick for those who favored Crimea remaining part of Ukraine under the country constitution. Next thing local authorities reported a 83% turn out with 96.7% voting to join Russia. But how can that be possible when 40% of the Crimea population are ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean tatars? Leaked Classified report from Moscow, showed only 30% turnout with about half of those voting to join Russia. Crimean and Russian officials still proceeded to sign the treaty of accession and Putin ratified the treaty three days later. Making it one of the most illegal occupation, am European married to a Nigerian and all european wars in history have been triggered by a power gabbing land.

Yes, it was shocking to the US and it's western puppets because they badly miscalculated and misunderstood and undermined Russia's resolve to act when it's core geopolitical interests are threatened.

When the US lied about WMD in Iraq even when UN weapon inspectors found nothing, and the US ignored a UN resolution voting down the war, and invaded and destroyed Iraq and it's leader, Russia did nothing because Iraq, aside weapons deal between the two countries, has no significant geopolitical value for Russia. Then they proceeded to repeat same feat against Libya, and took out Qaddaffi and turned the country into rubbles till date, but again, Russia did nothing for his surreliable friend, although it did oppose the invasion and even acquiesce in some areas.

Then, emboldened by their achievements and the lack of a firm Russian response, the US and its 'Nationalized American Terrorist Organization' (NATO) moved to remove Ukraine from Russia's sphere of influence and then (as you rightly put it) they got the SHOCKER of their miserable life.

Russia did not only thwart the western design for Ukraine, it annealed the US and NATO plan for the Black Sea and destroyed the formal's dream for Syria, while seizing the opportunity to bring back Crimea (which was originally Russian) and established itself as a grandmaster of the Geo game.

It's easy for you to see Russia's actions as offensive while the US and NATO that causes the whole trouble are saints in your eyes. Wake up to reality and stop being spoon fed by Western propaganda. The greatest threat to world peace today is the United Snakes of America.

There was nothing fraudulent about the referendum because the moment Swastikas wielding, Nazis sympathizers sponsored by the US took over in Kiev, and started hunting down Russians everywhere, the Ukrainian constitution ceases to be a legitimate impartial authority and as such unfit to guarantee the safety of ethnic Russians in Crimea and elsewhere. On this ground, the referendum ballot question was in order. It is trite law that you can't profit from illegality.

And where the hell did you get the 40% ethnic Ukrainians from? Even the Ukrainian 2001 census report did not come up with such ridiculous figures; it states that ethnic Ukrainians in Crimea were 24 percent while Tarters were 10 percent and Russians averages over 60 percent. So, no matter the outcome, the result would have remained the same. Facts don't lie.

What classified info got leaked from Russia that only 30% of voters turned out to vote? Of course, it's a land grab because your western war prone and nations invading loving government says so. But when the west forcefully calved out Kosovo and Israel bulldozing whole Palestinian settlements replacing them with Jewish families, it's all legitimate. Typical western bots narrative.

Last intelligence shows a large number of ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean tatars have left the peninsula since 2014 and more than 250k including sailors and troops have move to peninsula directly from Russia. If this isn't ethnic cleansing then I don't know what else you can call this. Major economic project in the peninsula have been majorly infrastructure projects such as highway and rail road bridges that links of Crimea via the kerch strait directly to Russia. Crimea now a fully flagged Russian naval station that houses new submarines, surface combatants and combat aircrafts.

You just copy and paste whole pages from Brookings website and expect anyone to take you serious? If you want truth about anything, stay away from anything mainstream pro-west or anti Russia and or pro Russia and get facts from alternate news sources. Anybody that tells you that life in Crimea is worse now compared to when it was under Ukraine is misleading you. There have been all sorts of massive investments by the Russian governments that have directly impacted the peninsula's standard of living in a more positive way than bad, common sense should make this glaring, but the western anti Russia media outlets don't want you to know this. Yes, people leave and come to places, and there are still thousands of Ukrainians and Tartars in Crimea. The figures of hundreds of thousands claimed to have left and replaced by Russians from Russia is gross, unfounded and has no bearing on reality. Don't regurgate what you cannot prove.

Next move Russia have done is in donbas. This time the Ukrainian army were aware and are resisting, it is following the same script of minority Russian in form of militias supported by Russian military and it's proxy wagner group killing Ukrainians and them fabricating a referendum. Everyone knows and always talk of power corrupting and they fail to clearly see the unfolding in their eyes. Putin nurtures the dream of bringing back the Soviet union, but how's that possible when the nation's that broke off are not Russians and don't speak Russians?

The fact that you actually believe that Putin wants to bring back the Soviet Union just shows you have been propagandized beyond redemption. If America can go to war because of one or few American citizens, what make you think Russia would abandoned his people to Nazi loving idiots to be slaughtered? The Ukrainian army has amassed soldiers and heavy weapons and have been actively shelling the Donbass regions and you expect Russia to sit idly and watch Russians massacred? You sound like a sadist.

We in Europe see this as an expansionist move unfolding, if Russia succeeds in Ukraine next target will be the Balkan state and only heaven knows how it will unfold from there.
The operation of arming Ukraine is important because the act alone will make Putin reconsider his actions, if in an event he pushes to invade then it will be bloodiest because millions of Ukrainians will die in the process of defending their father land and it's then the international community will have justification to get involved.
To all those taking aim at america, you don't know how global politics works. Russia is the most powerful military in Europe and can only be checked mated to an extent by only france and UK due to their nuclear weapons. So yes having america by our side changes the entire dynamics, that even small country like mine can tell Russia to fk off or even expel their diplomats. It's because of America by our side we are able to punish subversive operations in our country. Without america only heaven knows what will be of my country.

THERE IS A SECURITY ORDER IN EUROPE KNOW AS THE 1975 HELSINKI FINAL ACT and subsequent document that state
BORDERS SHOULD BE INVIOLABLE AND NOT CHANGED BY FORCE, Russia act in 2014 SHREDDED this principle.

At least you know you know one of the several reasons why US and Europe formed NATO, a leopard can never change his spot.

You in Europe only see from your myopic and delusional angle. If you can call Russia defending it's core interest around its own borders expansionism, what should we call the US that has 800 military bases around the world, bombed nations into the Stone age and have killed millions of innocent people in Iraq, Syria, and elsewhere? I want you to look up your face in th mirror and tell me if you don't see shame reflecting back on you.

The US currently have it's forces located in Syria without the permission of the government and people of that country. It's there stealing their oil and have actively supported terrorism across the globe, and you dare call Putin an expansionist.

It's folks like you that are wired to die with their eyes wide open because you live in your own alternate world of false reality. The blood of thousands of innocent Iraqi children and women whom your murderous western government killed in cold blood for doing nothing to them will forever be demanded from your descendants as long as you continue to sheer them on and therefore being a partaker in their sinful deeds. Continue living the 'We in Europe' lie and hope that Alois Irlmair's prophecy don't come to pass in your time.

Bye.

Baawaa:
Americans with their wrong predictions, that was how they predicted that by 2015 Nigeria will break

Russia would have invaded Ukraine if not for information leak. And in the case of Nigeria, Nigeria remained one "in paper" because GEJ was good man and resigned, or do you think Fulani herdsmen just fell from the sky?

Mrluv:
are you still selling memory card?

Yes bro
Check the thread. I've replied you.

rottennaija:

Military drill inside their borders, Russian borders. However, if you refer to Crimea, its a part of the Sovereign State of Russia.



You mean Crimea? They people voted to rejoin Russia. What you don't know is that even if the vote was done 100 times, they would still vote to join Russia 100 times. You know why? Because more than 65% of the population of Crimea are Russians.

Bros, is Russia still doing military drills? Oh, they are doing it inside Ukraine abi?

5thcolm:

Bros, is Russia still doing military drills? Oh, they are doing it inside Ukraine abi?

Now it is inside Ukraine. Things has escalated.

Appleyard:


I would have ignored your one-sided and myopic narrative but it would be a disservice to the spirit of truth if warp beliefs like yours are allowed to anchor on such important threads as this. So I will answer your emotionally charged illogical reasonings a bit.

What you have failed to note is that the Budapest Memorandum was Primarily proposed and spearheaded by the US and the UK who fears the increased proliferation of nuclear weapons in the hands of the newly formed formal Soviet states which are just upcoming and lack the security and financial apparatus to keep such weapons from reaching the hands of terrorists organizations. The Yankees knew that it would be better for the inherited weapons to stay put with Russia than on the Ukrainian side, and everyone agreed to this, including Ukraine. So I find it funny and shady when folks like you tried to frame the Budapest agreement as if it's something that was carefully orchestrated by Russia or forced down the throat of Ukraine. And you guys want to make it look like had Ukraine gotten those weapons, Russia would dare not have voiced out her geopolitical concerns as it relates to Ukraine. This is a fallacy at best. Pakistan is a nuclear power nation but the US invaded their airspace to bombed a so-called Bin Laden Target in the country, a man the Pakistani government is reported to be hiding. Why didn't Pakistan nuclear arsenal deterred Uncle Sam? Now equate that to Ukraine and Russia sharing borders....the capture would have been even more easier except you're the Hollywood braindead type who believe it's only America that does it best.



This just shows how misinformed or deliberately biased you are towards plain truth. The Ukrainian people per se did not overthrow Yanukovich, you are just regurgating western mainstream media bullshiit.

Yanukovich was overthrown by a carefully orchestrated color-coded revolution, which is a covert but equally devastating coup d' tat. Victoria Nuland's 'fuvk the EU' recorded conversation is still there for all to see. Go and read up on how the CIA color coded revolution via their NGOs (NED, USAID) works. Ukriane has always been a strategic mission of the CIA since America sees it as the chief corner Stone towards establishing a first-strike capability and military advantage over Russia, with the main goal being the Sevastopol blue water port. The initial plan was to bring Ukraine under strict US influence via an economic deal with the EU. The Russians counter with a better offer which offers Ukraine so much incentives one of which is cheap gas which they still enjoy till date, and as a result, Yanukovich, opted for the Russian deal, couple with the fact that he knew of the primary intent of the American driven EU package. The EU didn't have any problem with the president decision and wanted the status quo to remain, but the US as spearheaded by Victoria Nuland knew their grand plans would fail and were visibly angry with the EU for taking a conciliatory stance on the matter. Then they proceeded to plan B.

Immediately, organized protests (which normally draws in unsuspecting citizens that also normally disagree with certain actions of their government) moved into the streets in Kiev and the CIA saboteurs among them went on rampage, and the carefully placed unknown snipers took out several innocent protesters to trigger a massive regroup and emotional blowback from the people, culminating in the disarray in the Yanukovich government and he had no choice but to flee to Russia.

But all these while, the Russian secret service saw it coming and were well prepared to dish out their own plate of surprise to the west -- a surprise that shocked the west and prove to America that Russia is grandmaster of the geopolitical game.



Yes, it was shocking to the US and it's western puppets because they badly miscalculated and misunderstood and undermined Russia's resolve to act when it's core geopolitical interests are threatened.

When the US lied about WMD in Iraq even when UN weapon inspectors found nothing, and the US ignored a UN resolution voting down the war, and invaded and destroyed Iraq and it's leader, Russia did nothing because Iraq, aside weapons deal between the two countries, has no significant geopolitical value for Russia. Then they proceeded to repeat same feat against Libya, and took out Qaddaffi and turned the country into rubbles till date, but again, Russia did nothing for his surreliable friend, although it did oppose the invasion and even acquiesce in some areas.

Then, emboldened by their achievements and the lack of a firm Russian response, the US and its 'Nationalized American Terrorist Organization' (NATO) moved to remove Ukraine from Russia's sphere of influence and then (as you rightly put it) they got the SHOCKER of their miserable life.

Russia did not only thwart the western design for Ukraine, it annealed the US and NATO plan for the Black Sea and destroyed the formal's dream for Syria, while seizing the opportunity to bring back Crimea (which was originally Russian) and established itself as a grandmaster of the Geo game.

It's easy for you to see Russia's actions as offensive while the US and NATO that causes the whole trouble are saints in your eyes. Wake up to reality and stop being spoon fed by Western propaganda. The greatest threat to world peace today is the United Snakes of America.

There was nothing fraudulent about the referendum because the moment Swastikas wielding, Nazis sympathizers sponsored by the US took over in Kiev, and started hunting down Russians everywhere, the Ukrainian constitution ceases to be a legitimate impartial authority and as such unfit to guarantee the safety of ethnic Russians in Crimea and elsewhere. On this ground, the referendum ballot question was in order. It is trite law that you can't profit from illegality.

And where the hell did you get the 40% ethnic Ukrainians from? Even the Ukrainian 2001 census report did not come up with such ridiculous figures; it states that ethnic Ukrainians in Crimea were 24 percent while Tarters were 10 percent and Russians averages over 60 percent. So, no matter the outcome, the result would have remained the same. Facts don't lie.

What classified info got leaked from Russia that only 30% of voters turned out to vote? Of course, it's a land grab because your western war prone and nations invading loving government says so. But when the west forcefully calved out Kosovo and Israel bulldozing whole Palestinian settlements replacing them with Jewish families, it's all legitimate. Typical western bots narrative.






You just copy and paste whole pages from Brookings website and expect anyone to take you serious? If you want truth about anything, stay away from anything mainstream pro-west or anti Russia and or pro Russia and get facts from alternate news sources. Anybody that tells you that life in Crimea is worse now compared to when it was under Ukraine is misleading you. There have been all sorts of massive investments by the Russian governments that have directly impacted the peninsula's standard of living in a more positive way than bad, common sense should make this glaring, but the western anti Russia media outlets don't want you to know this. Yes, people leave and come to places, and there are still thousands of Ukrainians and Tartars in Crimea. The figures of hundreds of thousands claimed to have left and replaced by Russians from Russia is gross, unfounded and has no bearing on reality. Don't regurgate what you cannot prove.



The fact that you actually believe that Putin wants to bring back the Soviet Union just shows you have been propagandized beyond redemption. If America can go to war because of one or few American citizens, what make you think Russia would abandoned his people to Nazi loving idiots to be slaughtered? The Ukrainian army has amassed soldiers and heavy weapons and have been actively shelling the Donbass regions and you expect Russia to sit idly and watch Russians massacred? You sound like a sadist.



You in Europe only see from your myopic and delusional angle. If you can call Russia defending it's core interest around its own borders expansionism, what should we call the US that has 800 military bases around the world, bombed nations into the Stone age and have killed millions of innocent people in Iraq, Syria, and elsewhere? I want you to look up your face in th mirror and tell me if you don't see shame reflecting back on you.

The US currently have it's forces located in Syria without the permission of the government and people of that country. It's there stealing their oil and have actively supported terrorism across the globe, and you dare call Putin an expansionist.

It's folks like you that are wired to die with their eyes wide open because you live in your own alternate world of false reality. The blood of thousands of innocent Iraqi children and women whom your murderous western government killed in cold blood for doing nothing to them will forever be demanded from your descendants as long as you continue to sheer them on and therefore being a partaker in their sinful deeds. Continue living the 'We in Europe' lie and hope that Alois Irlmair's prophecy don't come to pass in your time.

Bye.

It is so sad to see the extend western propaganda has made so many delusional.

iykejohnson:
There are things you guys haven't made me to understand! People here are actually saying propaganda, gragra and ETC both from Russia and western/NATO side
But what I had been hearing from Russia...is, if you join NATO, I invade.
Ukraine, has not joined NATO and Russia has not invaded.

So, I don't understand the western media tactics or rather propaganda and Russian chicken out, u guys are talking about

Someone should pls clear me or enlighten me more on this issue
Thanks

In simplest form, the west wants to use Ukraine to control Russia. Russia would have none of it, Russia says, this time, it is too close to the elbow

GTkester:
America and fake news should be synonyms

Is the news still fake now?