Mynd44:

Democratic politics has one flaw; it is a game of numbers. If you want to contest, throw your hat in and contest.

You lobby your party members and convince them to follow you. Consult, go around, talk to members not sit in your bath water asking for micro-zonning. When your title is not "Asunkungbage"

Chai mynd44 what did you smoke this morning?

Penguin2:


As much as your argument is still logical and would pass as valid, it falls short of social and distributive justice and equity, that should exist within a union.

So the CPC got the presidency in 2015.
The ACN got the Vice Presidency.
While nPDP got the Senate (through struggle).

Now, in 2023, your proposing a scenario that ACN, again, elevates to the presidency while the nPDP settles for Vice presidency.

Where does that leave the ANPP bloc?
Where does that leave the APGA bloc?

In fairness, should the bloc that got nothing at all in 2015 not get the largest share of the available offices while the bloc that got second to nothing follows in that order before those who got the largest share in 2015 are considered?

Should it rather than be the survival of the fittest where the strongest should always win and those who are not as strong can continue to grumble?

If you support that notion, then it would also be valid to argue that the CPC bloc, since they are in power, can scheme to retain power even in the north and not bother about zoning it to the south at all.

Or you think there’s anything ACN bloc or any other bloc at all can do other than pull out of the union?

It's really neusating to watch argument of this nature. The whole thing appear like political offices is a cake where everyone must take turn to come and have a bite. Why do we just do follow follow for these peeps with no ideology. Every of their permutation is all about their personal interest, that's why the move from party to party. We have mumu polulace, maybe the elite deliberately configure them to be so, just so the can be swayed by baseless sentiments and elections won on emotions and not by richness of manifestos.

I'm doubting Nigeria can grow if we continue this way. where are the soro soke generation? Where is the energy used during endsars. the time for voters education is now. No sector is working at the moment

These people lied to Nigerians about change, got in there and used our resources to settle themselves. Nigerians suffering the economic consequences are still prepping them for 2023

colorsofrainbow:

Remove your mask and be absolute in your stance that you are a Tinubu's supporter

The bigot so called mod couldn't hide his hate, look at how he threw subtle remarks at OUK with regards to his comment on micro - zoning. How did that concern this topic?

SMH at NL judges.

Ignore this....Op is PDP apologist

tempest01:
These people lied to Nigerians about change, got in there and used our resources to settle themselves. Nigerians suffering the economic consequences are still prepping them for 2023

Actually the economic mess is WORLDWIDE and not isolated to Nigeria.

The reason why it looks like that of Nigeria is more pronounced is because previous governments did nothing regarding forward planning and infrastructural drives which would have created jobs and revenue for the country. Revenue which would have been channeled to other needy areas in the economy to shore it up.

It's a loop they did not close and thus it looks like it is this administration which caused problems when all I have seen is an administration which has tried to take on 30yrs of failed leadership within 8yrs.

This domino effect of negativity did not begin with this administration. The entire world including "saner climes" are reeling and crying from economic hardships of their own kind

Finally, Seun don get competitor

OgbeniOptional71: I have finally found an online discussion forum that I can use to connect to Ghana

Vertraulichkeit:


The main deciders of the primary elections, the delegates, have always been the benefactors of the majority of the voting population in the main elections. I can only expect a non sentimental person to understand this. Anyone who overtly or covertly holds primordial sentiments against any section of the country is a coward.

Bigotry is a disease.

Simple

Even worse when such bigot hold position of unbiased umpire but his actions always prove otherwise.

Sentimental and hateful mod as an umpire

Oga try to use your brain now there is no more nPDP now they have all ggone back to their party it remains only Amechie, APGA it is only OkoroHausa as your people used to called him,
Now ask yourself this question what is their contributions to the APC in general, how many States, senatorial regions and constituency to they win for APC during the general election.
Financially what is their capacity to the party.
Please you can't reap where you're soul

Werey...

You wan give papa sope HBP?

PrinceOfLagos:


No need for primary, our darling president, Buhari, said he already got someone that will succeed him , but won't reveal his identity yet for safety reasons and we are solidly with Buhari on This one .

Primary won't be necessary

Abi you want that man in bourdillon to use Lagos money and buy everyone to his side?

Buhari is smart na

Now u're licking buhari's anus

Mynd44:
Look at this argument too.

CPC got presidency
ACN got Vice presidency
nPDP got Senate presidency (Saraki)

Now, is it too weird to say in 2023, ACN bloc gets presidency, nPDP gets Vice and CPC gets Senate president.

See how logic can be twisted and you still would win the argument?

Let everyone go and contest and may the best politician win. Why are people so afraid to compete against humans like them? That is how one politician was saying he won't contest unless the ticket was micro-zoned to his geo-politican zone. Cowardice un the highest order.

If you know you are popular enough to be president, then you should be popular enough in your party to win a fair primary election

Ok... Nothing to add nothing removed

****Smiles and walks out of thread***

Penguin2:
In 2013, four different parties, CPC, ACN, ANPP and Some part of APGA, came together and coalesced to become one political party known today as APC.

Later on in 2014, Chibuike Amaechi, the then governor of Rivers State, led five (5) rebellious governors and other heavyweight politicians of the PDP who had christened themselves as New PDP (NPDP), to join the newly formed APC and thereby reinforced the party and gave it more reach and influence.

At the party’s presidential convention in 2014, Muhammad Buhari of the CPC bloc became the presidential flag bearer of the party while Yemi Osinbajo of the ACN bloc became his running mate.

Graciously, these two won the election in 2015 and won re-election in 2019 and would be completing their constitutionally possible two terms.

Now, as the party prepares for 2023, does it not translate to greed for either of CPC or ACN bloc to still want either the presidency or the vice presidency?

As a union of different blocs, does it not make sense therefore that 2023 should be the year that the ANPP, APGA and NPDP bloc be rewarded for their role in the success of APC in 2015?

Or is any bloc trying to claim that it’s contribution is the highest and therefore other blocs should remain as spectators while they keep taking and sharing the spoils?

So, in conclusion, as the APC prepares for 2023, the CPC and ACN blocs of the party can vie any other position available in the party but not the Presidency and the Vice Presidency; those two positions should be the exclusive preserve of other blocs of the party whose contributions were equally consequential to APC’s success in 2015.

Penguin is a bird of reason!

How would all these help the common man

This op is suffering from degenerative brain disease. Apc is 95% ACN and CPC every other stupid exists only in the mind of the op.

Arysexy:


The bigot so called mod couldn't hide his hate, look at how he threw subtle remarks at OUK with regards to his comment on micro - zoning. How did that concern this topic?

SMH at NL judges.

I just dey observe them

Mynd44:
Look at this argument too.

CPC got presidency
ACN got Vice presidency
nPDP got Senate presidency (Saraki)

Now, is it too weird to say in 2023, ACN bloc gets presidency, nPDP gets Vice and CPC gets Senate president.

See how logic can be twisted and you still would win the argument?

Let everyone go and contest and may the best politician win. Why are people so afraid to compete against humans like them? That is how one politician was saying he won't contest unless the ticket was micro-zoned to his geo-politican zone. Cowardice un the highest order.

If you know you are popular enough to be president, then you should be popular enough in your party to win a fair primary election

For your information, Saraki emergence as Senate President did not come as a result of sharing formula, knowing fully well it was this same Ahmed Lawan that Saraki out smart and go against the wishes of Tinubu which was the beginning of Saraki turbulence in the Party and Senate. I buy the OP argument to support the nPDP in the sense that they pull a heavy stunt that turn the entire equation, talking about Kano State vote alone of 2million was enough to have return GEJ , KWARA also and the rest, ATIKU effect also was played out, you cant push nPDP to the brim they were the deciding factor as well the reason APC exist today, take it or leave it.

maticar:

LOL
see how they are beating around the bush like putin's spy chief instead of owning with full chest

All nairaland mods are Tinubu's urchins

Mynd44:

Democratic politics has one flaw; it is a game of numbers. If you want to contest, throw your hat in and contest.

You lobby your party members and convince them to follow you. Consult, go around, talk to members not sit in your bath water asking for micro-zonning. When your title is not "Asunkungbage"

Our democracy and party ideology isn’t mature for that yet or else one man will dictate to others and still claim its democracy whereas it’s dictatorship.

Penguin2:


As much as your argument is still logical and would pass as valid, it falls short of social and distributive justice and equity, that should exist within a union.

So the CPC got the presidency in 2015.
The ACN got the Vice Presidency.
While nPDP got the Senate (through struggle).

Now, in 2023, your proposing a scenario that ACN, again, elevates to the presidency while the nPDP settles for Vice presidency.

Where does that leave the ANPP bloc?
Where does that leave the APGA bloc?

In fairness, should the bloc that got nothing at all in 2015 not get the largest share of the available offices while the bloc that got second to nothing follows in that order before those who got the largest share in 2015 are considered?

Should it rather than be the survival of the fittest where the strongest should always win and those who are not as strong can continue to grumble?

If you support that notion, then it would also be valid to argue that the CPC bloc, since they are in power, can scheme to retain power even in the north and not bother about zoning it to the south at all.

Or you think there’s anything ACN bloc or any other bloc at all can do other than pull out of the union?

you get time dey argue with that clown

Did you not hear from elrufai mouth that they have agreed to swap all post held by one group to the opposite direction for equity sake.

As south is taking over president North is going to VP

As south is taking president a new stock from another party block would replace south

All these would be tabled for equity, fairness and this is how they have boxed ACN group

By already agreeing that their should be swap, they can't object later when NEC would say as we swapped it regionally so it is for party blocks

Easier for consesus

PrinceOfLagos:


No need for primary, our darling president, Buhari, said he already got someone that will succeed him , but won't reveal his identity yet for safety reasons and we are solidly with Buhari on This one .

Primary won't be necessary

Abi you want that man in bourdillon to use Lagos money and buy everyone to his side?

Buhari is smart na

so you have read Buaris mind to know he is not referring to Tinubu as his successor. Sit down and watching till when the president of Nigeria emerges in 2023.

Penguin2:


As much as your argument is still logical and would pass as valid, it falls short of social and distributive justice and equity, that should exist within a union.

So the CPC got the presidency in 2015.
The ACN got the Vice Presidency.
While nPDP got the Senate (through struggle).

Now, in 2023, your proposing a scenario that ACN, again, elevates to the presidency while the nPDP settles for Vice presidency.

Where does that leave the ANPP bloc?
Where does that leave the APGA bloc?

In fairness, should the bloc that got nothing at all in 2015 not get the largest share of the available offices while the bloc that got second to nothing follows in that order before those who got the largest share in 2015 are considered?

Should it rather than be the survival of the fittest where the strongest should always win and those who are not as strong can continue to grumble?

If you support that notion, then it would also be valid to argue that the CPC bloc, since they are in power, can scheme to retain power even in the north and not bother about zoning it to the south at all.

Or you think there’s anything ACN bloc or any other bloc at all can do other than pull out of the union?

The Major parties that made APC possible is the ACN and CPC, without the rest, ACN and CPC will still win the 2015 presidential election.

Mr OP, we know you are just having a way for Rotimi Amaechi ahead of 2023. But if the ticket z not zoned to the South East, forget it.

IMPLOSION LOADING ...

Penguin2:


As much as your argument is still logical and would pass as valid, it falls short of social and distributive justice and equity, that should exist within a union.

So the CPC got the presidency in 2015.
The ACN got the Vice Presidency.
While nPDP got the Senate (through struggle).

Now, in 2023, your proposing a scenario that ACN, again, elevates to the presidency while the nPDP settles for Vice presidency.

Where does that leave the ANPP bloc?
Where does that leave the APGA bloc?

In fairness, should the bloc that got nothing at all in 2015 not get the largest share of the available offices while the bloc that got second to nothing follows in that order before those who got the largest share in 2015 are considered?

Should it rather than be the survival of the fittest where the strongest should always win and those who are not as strong can continue to grumble?

If you support that notion, then it would also be valid to argue that the CPC bloc, since they are in power, can scheme to retain power even in the north and not bother about zoning it to the south at all.

Or you think there’s anything ACN bloc or any other bloc at all can do other than pull out of the union?

You folks just keep playing this game of logic that has no basis in current reality! Stop pandering to sentiments and bare faced emotionalism when it comes to politics!

Let me break down what Mynd44 said in simple terms!

It is politics-Sell or Sail/Play or Get Played

All this "begi begi" threads need to stop abeg!

Mynd44:
Look at this argument too.

CPC got presidency
ACN got Vice presidency
nPDP got Senate presidency (Saraki)

Now, is it too weird to say in 2023, ACN bloc gets presidency, nPDP gets Vice and CPC gets Senate president.

See how logic can be twisted and you still would win the argument?

Let everyone go and contest and may the best politician win. Why are people so afraid to compete against humans like them? That is how one politician was saying he won't contest unless the ticket was micro-zoned to his geo-politican zone. Cowardice un the highest order.

If you know you are popular enough to be president, then you should be popular enough in your party to win a fair primary election

If I open my mouth, u will resort to blocking, so I won’t. I would rather say it when I meet u in person cos nah me fit block you there