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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by sosereal201(m): 9:07am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


Putin has the right to defend his country. He is taking a very important proactive step to safeguard his country. if Chad decides to give ISIS or Boko Haram a base to deploy their troops and organize their attacks against Nigeria, Nigeria has the right to take every action to stop Chad. If Nigeria refuses to act, it's a sign of weakness and lack of foresight within the countrys leadership and not something to celebrate. That exactly is the thing Russia is doing. NATO was formed to term the USSR. The USSR is dead, what's NATO still doing positioning herself within a striking distance to Russia? Ukraine got herself into this mess by deciding to join a military group that represents her neighbors worse enemies
question is does Ukraine hold an allegiance to Russia? No. Is Ukraine a Sovereign state which has the right to choose it's alliances?. Yes . So if Russia is invading Ukraine on the ground that it's protecting itself then I will say it's not true. What Russia is after is to bring Ukraine under it's territory and control and that's selfish.period.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by just2endowed: 9:08am On Feb 25, 2022
ademola721gmai:

But that’s the main reason why Israel keep bombarding Syria at every given opportunity to prevent Hezbollah from using Syria(which shares border with Israel) from using Syria as a base


Story of Isreal v Syria is another thing. I am talking about Yemen. Beside, Isreal does not enter Syria territory to bombard terrorists, they press the button from their territory
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Smartgeek(m): 9:09am On Feb 25, 2022
After all said and done, there is a rise in the fight for communism by Russia, China and North Korea and this display by Russia is just the beginning of actions to head in that direction.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by stephenabudu959(m): 9:12am On Feb 25, 2022
Biden doesn't want to spark a "world war" by risking a direct clash between American and Russian troops in Ukraine and he's been open about that.

"It's not like we're dealing with a terrorist organisation," the president told NBC earlier this month. "We're dealing with one of the largest armies in the world. This is a very difficult situation, and things could go crazy quickly
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by mfm04622: 9:12am On Feb 25, 2022
just2endowed:



Story of Isreal v Syria is another thing. I am talking about Yemen. Beside, Isreal does not enter Syria territory to bombard terrorists, they press the button from their territory

They do enter with their planes.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by professore(m): 9:13am On Feb 25, 2022
Very good analysis
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by MartinsD12(m): 9:13am On Feb 25, 2022
BusterG:

EXPLAINER: Why exactly is Putin invading Ukraine?



Source

https://www.thecable.ng/explainer-why-exactly-is-putin-invading-ukraine/amp



If this is the issue puttin is selfish and wicked, Ukraine should be allowed to be on their own and make it's decision, puttin should stop interfering on a sovereign nation like Ukraine, mad man.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by weighadsef: 9:13am On Feb 25, 2022
Somebody needs to understand that NATO and EU have violated the Minsk agreement between Ukraine and Russia. NATO is security alliance for Northern parts of the world but they have cross boundary to EU and other part of the world in challenging Russia might. America aim and the WEST is to subdue Russia and to dictate to her using Ukraine as bait. However, things are going to be messier here. Russia has every right to fight for her security guarantee because they are not Nigeria. If Ukraine join Nato, Nato and its allies can join forces from Ukraine to destroy Russia sovereignty.

FERNANDEZISBACK:

How is NATO a threat to him?
NATO is a defensive organisation that guarantees the integrity of member nations against attack through the medium of mutual support...

He is not defending his country he is invading a sovereign country.. understand that?
You can't defend your country by attacking another for no reason..just like torturing your wife for saying she wanna divorce you..
NATO is still necessary because it protects its members from the “confusion, instability, unpredictability” which are persistent conditions in international affairs. So NATO doesn’t need to be against any specific state or group to continue to have a very important job to do...To prevent any more annexed Crimea’s and Russian occupied Ukraine.
Russia intends to further expand her borders, NATO may deter WW3...
So you gotta understand that..
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by IvarDboneless: 9:14am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


For no reason?
The problem here is that you are giving NATO and the West a free pass. In your mind, they're infallible. You really think the West never saw this crises coming? This crises have been brewing for over a decade. The West knows what they're doing. Russia knows what they are doing too. Russia understands Western manipulations and scheming and are basically trying to upstage them.

You have to understand how NATO works. Once you're a member of NATO, if you're attacked, all members of NATO have a duty to join hands to defend you. It means that the attackers will be facing the military arsenal of the whole of western Europe and others that are members of NATO. NATO is the biggest fighting block as at today and represents the biggest military danger to countries like Russia and China...

So what happens if Ukraine joins NATO and a president of Ukraine starts a sort of war with Russia? NATO will have to do something to defend Ukraine. That means that all of a sudden, Russia will have to fight The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain , Portugal etc. These are some of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. You're going to face them over a minor squabble with your neighbor? Right at your borders! Especially a neighbor that has ethnic Russians as her citizens too?

This is very simple. I don't know why it looks so confusing to some. Russia is trying to get Ukraine within her sphere of influence. That's what you do when you're a super power. The Americans do it, the USSR did it, China is trying to do it. If you leave your flanks open, your competitors will enter an dismantle you. If you doubt this, try to make Mexico a strategic ally of Russia or China, .. The Americans will react even more ferociously than Russia is doing today to that. During the Venezuelan crises, The US did whatever it could to make sure that Russia never had a military post in Venezuela. Yet Venezuela has no border crossings with The United States. How much more a country with land borders with the US..
In summary...the imperialists should never be trusted

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Rugaria: 9:16am On Feb 25, 2022
Abdotcom:
try understand the difference between attack and defense, the functions of USSR and NATO, who is actually supporting the separatist with weapon between Russia and Ukraine, given your analogy between Chad and Nigeria

You think that NATO countries are not supplying weapons to Ukraine? You think that most of those NATO supplies are not intended to be used against Russia at a stage? And because you're pro west, Russia should keep quiet and allow such clandestine weapons build up at her borders? Then you will make a bad president if you're elected one.. Russia is not another of your banana republics. Russia is amongst the 3 best military supper powers around. If you play that tricky with her , that close, expect a reaction..

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Babinski: 9:19am On Feb 25, 2022
wirinet:


The 2014 removal of pro Russian President was not the reason Ukraine wanted to join NATO. Ukraine and Georgia had been aspiring to join NATO since NATO invited then at the 2008 Bucharest summit.
NATO read out a communique inviting Georgia and Ukraine;

At no point did I state or insinuate that the removal of the Pro-Russian President was the reason for Ukraine wanting to join NATO.

The Russian problem in Ukraine of sponsoring and arming separatists in Ukraine in the wake of the Crimean War made joining NATO more attractive to Ukraine even more than mere aspirations dating back to 2008. When your neighbour is more powerful than you and becoming aggressive, it is common sense to look for succour and protection elsewhere.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by IvarDboneless: 9:21am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


Taiwan has always been Chinese.. Don't let Western propaganda fool you. Taiwan is not Ukraine. Taiwan is Chinese and Ukraine is not Russian. Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao reminds Russia of the enermous levels the west had to go in order to undermine her when she was weak and poor. China has got a good case to demand the return of Taiwan. The British are still in Falklands and The French controls West Africa and polenesia, yet they're the ones condemning Russia.

Democratic West? Is there anything democratic about the current world order? You live in Africa that has been more or else designated a mininig field, a continent being rapaciously raped by Western multinationals and agencies and you're talking of a democratic world order? What is democratic about Nigerias politics today as is supported by the West? I think most Africans suffer the political equivalent of the Stockholm syndrome in their rabid obeisance to western dictates..
What do you expect from kids of the 90s...they know natin

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by dennyeric: 9:24am On Feb 25, 2022
WibusJaga:

Putin is just a power-drunk ruler who wants to be controlling all her neighbouring former Soviet Union breakaway countries & would not tolerate any of them fraternising with NATO.
His long-term dream is to restore the former all-powerful Soviet Union, USSR back.

Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Rugaria: 9:25am On Feb 25, 2022
Babinski:


At no point did I state or insinuate that the removal of the Pro-Russian President was the reason for Ukraine wanting to join NATO.

The Russian problem in Ukraine of sponsoring and arming separatists in Ukraine in the wake of the Crimean War made joining NATO more attractive to Ukraine even more than mere aspirations dating back to 2008. When your neighbour is more powerful than you and becoming aggressive, it is common sense to look for succour and protection elsewhere.

If there was no pro NATO drive from Ukraine and a general move to towards the European union at the detriment of the interests of her encircled neighbor, Russia would not have annexed Crimea. Agree?

So while some people are making the convinient argument that it was Russias actions in Crimea that angered the Ukrainians to propose joining NATO, it's important to note that the two countries were already at loggerheads on a whole host of issues before the Crimea invasion.

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Lonewolf2010(f): 9:31am On Feb 25, 2022
Most People don’t cares to listen to concerns raised by Putin. Putin is NOT a psychopath!!

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by altteemy: 9:31am On Feb 25, 2022
@FERNANDEZISBACK, we still are feeling the effect of NATO in the Libya rebellion to overthrow Gaddafi.

The place is not the same and the excess of weaponry is what filled BH ranks.

African nations only later lamented the action of giving NATO a field base to launch operations as the agreement with NATO did not include overthrowing Gaddafi.

When NATO is vindictive, they carry out their plans when given little leeway. Why won't Russia be paranoid?
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by SweetVibe: 9:40am On Feb 25, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:

Ooh so attacking them is a way forward?
Why will Ukraine sort a war with Russia for no reason? isn't that d**mb?

You can't tell a sovereign country what to do and how to run their country..did they launch any offensive against Russia?no
If you or Putin ain't scared and doesn't have any ulterior motive why forcing Ukraine to lick your boots?

No point here just some bully..I can't imagine Egypt or Algeria invading your country cos you decide to do something for the betterment of your country.. NATO did not launch any offensive against Russia did they?
Ukraine is being bullied and needeed help?how would you feel if your senior bro keep hurting you so as to force you to do what he wants? won't you look for a solution? or you will keep smiling and enduring huh?
So what exactly is your point?
You talk too much....

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by lekkys: 9:41am On Feb 25, 2022
Will read later
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by meedoLock(m): 9:42am On Feb 25, 2022
NATO and the west have done alot fuelling this avoidable crisis earlier.

The Russia demands is not vague "stop moving Eastward, is that too hard for NATO and the west to comply? They should just stop pitching Ukrain to Russia. They used to be a good neighbour.

It's a territory dispute.

Modified: now that all leaders of the world nation and censoring their utterances and actions inorder not to end up going against your their true allies.

Our president should please stay entirely away from this o. They cannot even solve the inner problems in our dear country. We have more in our plate. We can't afford to stand against any of this world tall nations not with what insurgency in the core north is doing.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Owen247: 9:43am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


Putin has the right to defend his country. He is taking a very important proactive step to safeguard his country. if Chad decides to give ISIS or Boko Haram a base to deploy their troops and organize their attacks against Nigeria, Nigeria has the right to take every action to stop Chad. If Nigeria refuses to act, it's a sign of weakness and lack of foresight within the countrys leadership and not something to celebrate. That exactly is the thing Russia is doing. NATO was formed to tame the USSR. The USSR is dead, what's NATO still doing positioning herself within a striking distance to Russia? Ukraine got herself into this mess by deciding to join a military group that represents her neighbors worse enemies
ur 100% right but i dnt support d invasion.

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by guywitzerogal(m): 9:46am On Feb 25, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:

How is NATO a threat to him?
NATO is a defensive organisation that guarantees the integrity of member nations against attack through the medium of mutual support...

He is not defending his country he is invading a sovereign country.. understand that?
You can't defend your country by attacking another for no reason..just like torturing your wife for saying she wanna divorce you..
NATO is still necessary because it protects its members from the “confusion, instability, unpredictability” which are persistent conditions in international affairs. So NATO doesn’t need to be against any specific state or group to continue to have a very important job to do...To prevent any more annexed Crimea’s and Russian occupied Ukraine.
Russia intends to further expand her borders, NATO may deter WW3...
So you gotta understand that..
headed by America, what is the relationship btw Russia and America? Can America allow Russia to have a military base in Mexico too?
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by wirinet(m): 9:49am On Feb 25, 2022
Babinski:


At no point did I state or insinuate that the removal of the Pro-Russian President was the reason for Ukraine wanting to join NATO.

The Russian problem in Ukraine of sponsoring and arming separatists in Ukraine in the wake of the Crimean War made joining NATO more attractive to Ukraine even more than mere aspirations dating back to 2008. When your neighbour is more powerful than you and becoming aggressive, it is common sense to look for succour and protection elsewhere.

But NATO and the US had been doing same many times in the past. US and NATO armed and sponsored separatists in Benghazi to overthrow Gaddafi in Tripoli. The US armed and sponsored the kurdish rebels against Am-Bashir in Syria until the running came on the side of the Syrian president.

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by maasoap(m): 9:49am On Feb 25, 2022
Richy4:
Wow!!! Nigeria got so many international political analysts here on Nairaland.. not to talk of beer parlours around Nigeria...

Yet Nigerian political situations is nothing to write home about... When people like these with great input can help the country embarassed

Imagine what would happen if everyone will Channel their energy, enthusiasm and passion just like this to make Nigeria a better place sad

Are these people here you're attacking your president, governors, lawmakers, etc? Let people use their time for what they can, shove your criticism up your ass
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Geniuelander: 9:54am On Feb 25, 2022
BusterG:


Honestly I would sincerely have wished you ignored this person you responded to.

It's one thing to be Ignorant.
It's another thing to be Naive.

But to be both is very unacceptable in these dangerous times.


undecided undecided

Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by francisbiz: 10:01am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


Putin has the right to defend his country. He is taking a very important proactive step to safeguard his country. if Chad decides to give ISIS or Boko Haram a base to deploy their troops and organize their attacks against Nigeria, Nigeria has the right to take every action to stop Chad. If Nigeria refuses to act, it's a sign of weakness and lack of foresight within the countrys leadership and not something to celebrate. That exactly is the thing Russia is doing. NATO was formed to tame the USSR. The USSR is dead, what's NATO still doing positioning herself within a striking distance to Russia? Ukraine got herself into this mess by deciding to join a military group that represents her neighbors worse enemies
If they call you black monkey, you will cry racism, another country is invading a sovereign country and you said it is right.
This same members of NATO stopped Hitler from invading USSR in ww2,, and also stopped Hitler from making your father go back to sugar cane plantation.
You no just get sense, even Russians are protesting against this war.
You think this is a movie abi?
Wait till their is another world war and God help you dumb skull putting doesn't win.

When Hitler started killing Jews in Germany, the elite Jews applauded him because it started with seemingly low income Jews.
It was really late before they realised that no Jew would be spared. And over 6 million Jews were brutally killed - that is the way of a dictator and Putin is a dictator.

Fools like would voraciously grab an American Visa, Canadian, British and most western country visas and come here to pour out rubbish.
Stop analyzing what you don't know, you have nothing to offer.
Go and discuss NEPA, RITUAL KILLING, YAHOO, BANDITRY, APC, PDP, KIDNAPPING, BABY FACTORY, CULTISM and Police oppression, they are what you feel.
Monkey
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Lukaku95: 10:02am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


Putin has the right to defend his country. He is taking a very important proactive step to safeguard his country. if Chad decides to give ISIS or Boko Haram a base to deploy their troops and organize their attacks against Nigeria, Nigeria has the right to take every action to stop Chad. If Nigeria refuses to act, it's a sign of weakness and lack of foresight within the countrys leadership and not something to celebrate. That exactly is the thing Russia is doing. NATO was formed to tame the USSR. The USSR is dead, what's NATO still doing positioning herself within a striking distance to Russia? Ukraine got herself into this mess by deciding to join a military group that represents her neighbors worse enemies
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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Richy4(m): 10:04am On Feb 25, 2022
maasoap:


Are these people here you're attacking your president, governors, lawmakers, etc? Let people use their time for what they can, shove your criticism up your ass

sad sad sad cheesy embarassed
It's not my fault that you have comprehension issues...

If not, u would have known that I did not criticise anyone...

Go and study some more... read newspapers, magazines anything that can speed up your comprehension level... It's just below average..
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Blackfriday: 10:09am On Feb 25, 2022
DaddyFabooluz:


After insulting me in my post, someone else has brought up same point more clearly and you are now here trying to hard to oppose everybody that does not flow with your point.
The thing is that you still have refused to get the main point.
What is the "main point" here?

It was until 2019 Ukraine decided to join NATO, 2014 Russia with no justification annexed cremia, 2015/2016 covertly began funding the separatist states and you say Putin full invasion of Ukraine is not pre meditated?.

The West didn't come to Ukraine, Ukraine came to the west, for fear of what is happening now and you say a sovereign state do not have the right to seek protection for them self's. Please don't forget Russia have many NATO members who they share very close boarders with, have NATO invaded Russia?. It's stupid to think NATO and US will wake up one day and decide to attack Russia because they have bases close to Russian boarders.

I understand no leader wants to have an enemy at it's door step but it's that enough reason for Putin to invade a sovereign state with no justification?. Please understand Ukraine is only trying to protect itself from the tyranny of Putin.

Your hate for US, shouldn't make you biased.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Bome01(m): 10:10am On Feb 25, 2022
The Stockholm syndrome is truly affecting African's prejudice on this whole brouhaha between Russia and Ukraine. NATO are not really who they seem to protray themselves to be.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Nobody: 10:19am On Feb 25, 2022
DCatt:
What about the two republics that also exited Ukraine, don't they deserve to have alliance with Russia, or the freedoms and rights end with Ukraine alone?

Ukraine has acquiesced the exit of separatists republic of Lohan'sk and Donesk. They didn't invade them brutally as Putin is doing to Ukraine.. Putin is a warmonger that needs to be stopped at all cost.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by 30naira: 10:21am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


For no reason?
The problem here is that you are giving NATO and the West a free pass. In your mind, they're infallible. You really think the West never saw this crises coming? This crises have been brewing for over a decade. The West knows what they're doing. Russia knows what they are doing too. Russia understands Western manipulations and scheming and are basically trying to upstage them.

You have to understand how NATO works. Once you're a member of NATO, if you're attacked, all members of NATO have a duty to join hands to defend you. It means that the attackers will be facing the military arsenal of the whole of western Europe and others that are members of NATO. NATO is the biggest fighting block as at today and represents the biggest military danger to countries like Russia and China...

So what happens if Ukraine joins NATO and a president of Ukraine starts a sort of war with Russia? NATO will have to do something to defend Ukraine. That means that all of a sudden, Russia will have to fight The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain , Portugal etc. These are some of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. You're going to face them over a minor squabble with your neighbor? Right at your borders! Especially a neighbor that has ethnic Russians as her citizens too?

This is very simple. I don't know why it looks so confusing to some. Russia is trying to get Ukraine within her sphere of influence. That's what you do when you're a super power. The Americans do it, the USSR did it, China is trying to do it. If you leave your flanks open, your competitors will enter an dismantle you. If you doubt this, try to make Mexico a strategic ally of Russia or China, .. The Americans will react even more ferociously than Russia is doing today to that. During the Venezuelan crises, The US did whatever it could to make sure that Russia never had a military post in Venezuela. Yet Venezuela has no border crossings with The United States. How much more a country with land borders with the US..

You have it all wrong about NATO. Read the treaty properly. NATO is purely for defense purposes. The allies won't fight for you if you invade another country. It's purpose is to defend you if you get invaded, not to help you if you decide to invade another.

That being said, Russia has no right to invade a sovereign country. If your neighbor plays politics that does not favor you, there are subtle ways of fighting back. You mentioned Cuba and Venezuela. Did the US ever invade? Granted they subtly attempted a regime change, but was there ever a full scale invasion?.

It's easy for you to support Russia, because this is happening far from home. Imagine it was Cameron invading Nigeria because we want to align with a country they don't like. I don't think you would hold these same views when bombs drop all around you.

Think about the after effects if Russia succeeds. China will invade Taiwan. Indian on Pakistan? What's to stop China from seizing territories in Africa countries that owe them? This is exactly the move Germany made that caused the second world War.

The fear of this kind of invasion is the reason why Ukraine has to join NATO. If they had, Russia would not have attempted this.

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