Walkee:
that's for USA and EU. Before the invasion, he said that if any European or US government tries to interfere militarily that nobody will even have time to blink, nobody will survive and there will be no winners. I don't think you people followed these events leading to this moment

jmoore:

Bla bla bla bla!!! Same lame excuses.

Walkee:
lol. I've been following this operation from the very first minute. You have zero idea what you are talking about. No paratrooper landed on a building, there's not single picture of a destroyed ilyshin-76. There are lots of pictures of destroyed fighter jets, yes but not a single picture of ilyshin-76 which they claimed they destroyed.
Ukraine are even uploading videos from Syria, Libya and video games for propaganda and morale.

alizma:

I knew you were going to go that way that was why I gave you two situations, Kindly attend the second question.

Goodmarlian:

While they are all focused on Kiev ,Separatist have expanded their territory by 51 kilometers,they don't make noise on Twitter or CNN,that territory will never be regained no matter what,Putin has outsmarted the west Ukraine will soon be reduced to the size of switzerland,tzan zu says "let you plans be as dark as the night and when you strike strike like a thunderbolt".

BritishNaija:


I do not know why some of your like arguing, please go to twitter and see eyewitnesses posting.

Walkee:
I told .

Send me a link with video evidence of a destroyed Russian plane (not fighter jet). If you are able to do that, I will deactivate this account right now

ba7man:
If it was so easy for Putin, why has he been unable to take Kyiv for 3 days now? His supply convoys are being intetcepted, destroying fuel and arms supplies.

Russia's old school mentality of displaying your millitary might and weapons in full force to intimidate Ukraine has been his downfall so far. That makes them sitting ducks to Turkish drone strikes operated by Ukraine.

The Chechen special forces were supposed to parachute down into Kyiv for a suprise attack but NATO leaks the info and their plane gets shot down and crashlands before the battle even starts.

Russia hasn't faced a modern millitary in recent years and if they try this trash with the US, Reaper drones will rain hellfire on all their positions without them coming in contact with 1 single American troop.

They might eventually overwhelm Ukraine with sheer numbers but the Russian war machine seems overated.

BritishNaija:


Please what do you mean by not fighterjet?

Walkee:

Su-27 is a fighter jet with one pilot, they normally fly close to the ground in order to shoot at targets. If a soldier gives you Nlaw or javelin, you, I mean you BritishNaija can shoot down this jet. All you need to do is aim if you are able to lock you pull the trigger and the rocket will start following this jet about until it hits it. Some Ukrainians soldiers have destroyed these jets no question.

2. Ilyshin-76 this is a plane that carries lots of paratroopers (soldiers that will jump down from this plane and land with parachute)
This one is way bigger than the fighter jet and it flies very high in the sky. You can't bring this down with Nlaw or javelin. The Ukrainians claimed they have destroyed two of these with close to 300 soldiers on board. I'm telling you to show me evidence for the destroyed plane.

BritishNaija:


First of all, Ukraine posseses Anti aircraft air defence System that can knock out Ily-76 and other aircraft that flys far Higher than it.
Again the Su-27 flys Higher than the Ily-76.

Another mistake you made, for the Ily-76 to discharge troops, it must Come below 10,000 ft and slow down below 300knots, which makes it Very vulnerable to MANPADs.

Again, I will search again for the video from twitter as I do not save, but just watch.

You should also know this is War and most people are indoor and this is not Paparazzi.

The biggest Aircraft in the world have been destroyed by russian, it has been confirmed but no access yet to go and take the pictures.

As soon as I get the pictures, or videos, I do post, I do not subscribe to propagandas But facs

Simeonjoe1:


He's right there's no video or evidence suggesting the downing of those planes so you can't find that anywhere. Others videos have surfaced about other fighter aircraft and attack helicopters but that particular transport plane downing is false and just mere media propaganda

BritishNaija:


First of all, Ukraine posseses Anti aircraft air defence System that can knock out Ily-76 and other aircraft that flys far Higher than it.
Again the Su-27 flys Higher than the Ily-76.

Another mistake you made, for the Ily-76 to discharge troops, it must Come below 10,000 ft and slow down below 300knots, which makes it Very vulnerable to MANPADs.

Again, I will search again for the video from twitter as I do not save, but just watch.

You should also know this is War and most people are indoor and this is not Paparazzi.

The biggest Aircraft in the world have been destroyed by russian, it has been confirmed but no access yet to go and take the pictures.

As soon as I get the pictures, or videos, I do post, I do not subscribe to propagandas But facs

ba7man:
I've seen videos of the Russian missile strikes. Seperate correspondents on Aljazeerah and CNN confirmed it that they're largely inaccurate and i had that in mind already before listening to them.


They're grossly lacking in Precision strikes, they just get coordinates and release a barage in that direction.

Those Thermobaric missile launch vehicles will easily be taken out by a $5 million drone strike.

Russia can't touch the U.S.......Heck, even India might bloody their nose up.

Dissapointed in their showing so far.

alizma:

If he is winning then why is he placing special force on nuclear weapons on alert, do see those military personnels that were captured and the vehicles as Ukrainian personnels and vehicles?

Walkee:
no su-27 does not fly higher than ilyshin-76 during operation. It would during stunts etc but during combat it flies very low.
Ukraine don't have air defence anymore, it was destroyed the first few hours of the operation.
I will wait for you to provide the evidence of the downed ilyushin-76

BritishNaija:


Kiev still have active air defence please and fighter jets.

You are Very wrong once again by saying su27 needs to fly lower than ily76 when attacking, Very wrong because that is not necessary As its meant to be Air superiority Fighter with a lot of Air to Air missiles, Its not like the 60s migs that requires diving lower to bomb.
It sevice ceiling is more than 50ft Which ily-75 does not operate on.
Once I get those video or pictures for the down plane, I will post, been pain in the ass trying to get it, I saw that yesterday.

BritishNaija:


Kiev still have active air defence please and fighter jets.

You are Very wrong once again by saying su27 needs to fly lower than ily76 when attacking, Very wrong because that is not necessary As its meant to be Air superiority Fighter with a lot of Air to Air missiles, Its not like the 60s migs that requires diving lower to bomb.
It sevice ceiling is more than 50ft Which ily-75 does not operate on.
Once I get those video or pictures for the down plane, I will post, been pain in the ass trying to get it, I saw that yesterday.

Walkee:
what are you even saying? I'm talking reality and what has been obtained you are quoting theories?
The su-27 were sent to torch some military columns that are on the move, so they fly low to attack targets on the ground. Ukraine don't have enough jets to engage Russia in Air to Air combats. Even the Ukrainian jets that engaged in Air to air combat ended up firing towards a civilian building with a woman and her child recording and scampering for safety. It was flying very low. Stop searching opinion and theories from Google and engage in factual provable arguments. You are only engaging in conjectures.

The fighter jets Russia deployed were for air to ground combat so they all fly very low. I can post numerous videos here show fighter jets flying at very low altitudes and engaging in combat. Can you show a single video where they are engaging in combat at high altitude?

An average car can do well over 200km per hour speed, does that mean people drive around at a speed of 200km per hour?
I'm talking about what's happening you talking about what can happen. If don't have argument just relax abeg

Walkee:
which Kiev has air defence?
The airport 25km from Kiev was taken by Russia with helicopters flying at low altitude throughout the first day of the invasion. You think bringing down a helicopter with javelin and nlaw is the same thing as air defence?
Why am I even engaging in this conversation sef you obviously have no idea what you are even talking about.

Let me tell you what air defence is. If you launch a missile to Israel, USA, France or Russia now it will be incepted before it even comes close to reaching its target not to even talk exploding. Russia can fire 3000 missiles to Kiev this afternoon and they will all land.

BritishNaija:


The more you talk, the more you expose yourself, stop following Russia propaganda.

Please Anti Aircraft misilles are Air Defence system, do not engage me in program I have spent quite a lot of my skills doing my part.

Walkee:
sorry if I was rude to you earlier. I was actually very hungry because I have been busy since morning and didn't have time to eat.

TA4TA4:


I agree with you to a certain degree.... But I hope you know the trouble is way beyond any pact... Have you wondered why some parts of Ukraine see themselves more as Russians?

Are you aware that even before the pact, Russia were sacking villages in Ukraine and put Russians there as the new inhabitants?

I normally won't care about what's going on in Ukraine cause countries like Palestine and Nigeria has faced even worse situations and the whole world turned deaf...

Have you heard about the CUBA MISSILE CRISIS?

I feel Russia is concerned that if Ukraine joins NATO, the west will readily deploy warheads there... And Ukraine is too close for comfort...

It is similar to John F Kennedy reaction to Cuba when USSR deployed warheads in Cuba....

wiseass:


Ukraine should not join NATO and should by all means resist being used by the U.S...they should remember Libya and other countries whom the U.S came to "save" it's OK to have strong economic
and political ties with other but anything military should be a no no, be like Switzerland and just chill

jmoore:
The two clowns above. You think Russian occupation is easy? Afghanistan defeated Russia.

Folks like you are like fans of football cubs that celebrate a 5 minutes goal thinking it is enough for a victory.

jnhmaxxwell:
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Afghanistan defeated Zinoist incursion into their Territory twice. First time, USSR is a typical example of today's NATO if you don't know, please learn the history. And second time for 20 years, the combined forces of all the anglozionist empire. Over 50 countries defeated in Afghanistan.

It's safe to say RUssia was under the occupation of Zionist entity during the USSR. It finally defeated Bolshevik anti-communist flank. This I believe is the reason the new Anglozionist empire started forming NATO.

Listen and listen good. The last time Russia lost a war against the united front like (NATO today) was during the Crimean peninsular war. This period of time, the Ottoman empire formed a coalition with Napoleon(French empire), Anglo Saxon empire and Northen Italy(the island Sardinia) to defeat Russia in the Crimean war in 1856.

The Zionist used that loosing of the wat to hijack power from Moscow and immediately started going after the Communist idealist in Russia which did what it knows how to do best. Invade and add more republics to the USSR.

When USSR fell, 30 years ago. RUSSIA regained full freedom and was no longer under the occupation of USSR.

By this history of event, it's not Russia that lost in Afghanistan.. Russia do not invade, they defend, encircle and let their enemies feel hunger then they de-weaponize them. This is Tsar the great fights.
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WoundedLamb:


Thank you for the thoughtful and respectfully presented argument. Please, don't be offended but I don't think you really addressed any of the things I said (or maybe I didn't fully understand your response). You're telling me why Russia doesn't want Ukraine in NATO. I think we all know that already. I gave you reasons why Ukraine wants to be in NATO. I explained Ukraine's desire to join NATO is not a want but a need. It is a survival move and Russia pushed them to that. So if you're asking them not join NATO or EU, what would you suggest they do? Just stay and be oppressed/sliced into non existence by Russia? It's like hitting a child and asking him not to cry.

WoundedLamb:


As for the regions, are you saying the fact that we have some Ukrainians who speak Russian and feel Russian is a good reason for Putin to keep invading thier country and violating thier integrity even after signing he'd never do that? Is it that when they were signing the Budapest, they didn't know there were Russians in Ukraine? Or they just wanted to decieve the country into giving up ALL thier nuclear weapons? Can Russia be trusted at this point? We have Yorubas in Binin Republic, will you support Nigeria to invade Binin for any reason? This is the 21st century, I really don't think things work that way anymore.

WoundedLamb:

I read you correctly about Cuba. When presented side by side with this one, they're not exactly the same in terms causative and operational factors, but the motifs are similar and we can borrow a few things from how it was eventually resolved. We can talk about that if you want (the comparison is another interesting subject), but I don’t subscribe to the idea of justifying the slaughtering of people in Eastern Europe based on anti-American sentiments. The focus shouldn't be the oppressors but the victims. And when you view it that way, it begins to make little sense to say "because Cubans suffered this, it's OK for Ukrainians to suffer it". Like I said, we can talk about this cause it's a worthy subject but not a necessarily a justification for Putin.

ba7man:
I've seen videos of the Russian missile strikes. Seperate correspondents on Aljazeerah and CNN confirmed it that they're largely inaccurate and i had that in mind already before listening to them.


They're grossly lacking in Precision strikes, they just get coordinates and release a barage in that direction.

Those Thermobaric missile launch vehicles will easily be taken out by a $5 million drone strike.

Russia can't touch the U.S.......Heck, even India might bloody their nose up.

Dissapointed in their showing so far.

WoundedLamb:


Thank you for the thoughtful and respectfully presented argument. Please, don't be offended but I don't think you really addressed any of the things I said (or maybe I didn't fully understand your response). You're telling me why Russia doesn't want Ukraine in NATO. I think we all know that already. I gave you reasons why Ukraine wants to be in NATO. I explained Ukraine's desire to join NATO is not a want but a need. It is a survival move and Russia pushed them to that. So if you're asking them not join NATO or EU, what would you suggest they do? Just stay and be oppressed/sliced into non existence by Russia? It's like hitting a child and asking him not to cry.

As for the regions, are you saying the fact that we have some Ukrainians who speak Russian and feel Russian is a good reason for Putin to keep invading thier country and violating thier integrity even after signing he'd never do that? Is it that when they were signing the Budapest, they didn't know there were Russians in Ukraine? Or they just wanted to decieve the country into giving up ALL thier nuclear weapons? Can Russia be trusted at this point? We have Yorubas in Binin Republic, will you support Nigeria to invade Binin for any reason? This is the 21st century, I really don't think things work that way anymore.

I read you correctly about Cuba. When presented side by side with this one, they're not exactly the same in terms causative and operational factors, but the motifs are similar and we can borrow a few things from how it was eventually resolved. We can talk about that if you want (the comparison is another interesting subject), but I don’t subscribe to the idea of justifying the slaughtering of people in Eastern Europe based on anti-American sentiments. The focus shouldn't be the oppressors but the victims. And when you view it that way, it begins to make little sense to say "because Cubans suffered this, it's OK for Ukrainians to suffer it". Like I said, we can talk about this cause it's a worthy subject but not a necessarily a justification for Putin.

TA4TA4:


Great response I must say.. And I am more than willing to learn more from you, cause it seems you know so much about international politics.

For the records, I am not in support of Russia's invasion, especially as so many lives are being lost in the process.

My concern though, is why are western countries so concerned about Ukraine when lives have also been lost in places like Palestine.

I feel it boils down to personal interest (I stand to be corrected though).

Putin has taken his actions too far, I agree but I think she is concerned of Ukraine being used as a NATO military base just like America was concerned about Cuba when USSR sent some missiles over there.

In the case of invasion... America is also guilty.... We have the banana wars of Nicaragua, Iraq, Kuwait, Panama, Cuba.

In many of the above cases, the invasions were uncalled for... And they left the countries worse than they were when they invaded them.

Like I said, I will be more than willing of you could school me more.... Thanks bro.

Princewill1:

It's easy to spot all these amateur international political analysts.

Mr Gotv CNN analyst, how long does it took the combined forces of US,UK and Australia to capture Baghdad in 2003?

It was over 3 weeks... bearing in mind that in the case of Iraq, no one was providing arms and intelligence support to them yet it took nearly a month.

In Nairaland you will see people who doesn't know the capital of Namibia but will be seriously analysing something they knows nothing about.

Princewill1:

It's easy to spot all these amateur international political analysts.

Mr Gotv CNN analyst, how long does it took the combined forces of US,UK and Australia to capture Baghdad in 2003?

It was over 3 weeks... bearing in mind that in the case of Iraq, no one was providing arms and intelligence support to them yet it took nearly a month.

In Nairaland you will see people who doesn't know the capital of Namibia but will be seriously analysing something they knows nothing about.