Kobojunkie:
Here's a question for you to ponder. If prayer was meant to be used by Jesus Christ's followers to end wars and invasions, then why didn't Jesus Christ see to an end the invasion of Israel by the Romans at the hands of whom He and many of His disciples after Him met their demise?

Also, what are you all doing about the bokoharam source in Nigeria which has been going on almost 2 decades now?,

Piptocoin:


the dead are nothing but shells...empty of occupants. the real you is not a physical body with blood vessels. this is just a tent that is fated to be abandoned at some time in the future. we only get to experience this after death but many medical doctors are now of the opinion that consciousness continues beyond death having being witnesses to patients who have had near-death-experiences. some of this patients, while the operation was ongoing, could narrate accurately what transpired during the operation and said they saw their "bodies" lying there...to many it felt like they were looking at another person but they couldn't deny the fact that their consciousness and the physical form are but one person....

what I am trying to say is that empirical evidence is severely limited in determining what is real or true.

Piptocoin:
1. one thing will never change...that is the destruction going on the world through wars, famine and natural disasters. the Word of God cannot contradict itself when it says there will be wars and rumours of wars signifying the times of the end...and not even prayers can change this prophecy. however, one can pray for God's intervention and protection during these trying times.

2. the world is heading for a cliff and the real ark of safety is not praying that it makes a 360º turnaround... rather, it is hiding your life in Christ. the evil and destruction like bokoharam, iswap, isis, terrorist organisations, ritualists, rapists, kidnappers, etc will even get worse but those who are in Christ have nothing to fear.

Piptocoin:


how have you helped those caught in this crisis since it began? let's start from there.

Piptocoin:


the dead are nothing but shells...empty of occupants. the real you is not a physical body with blood vessels. this is just a tent that is fated to be abandoned at some time in the future. we only get to experience this after death but many medical doctors are now of the opinion that consciousness continues beyond death having being witnesses to patients who have had near-death-experiences. some of this patients, while the operation was ongoing, could narrate accurately what transpired during the operation and said they saw their "bodies" lying there...to many it felt like they were looking at another person but they couldn't deny the fact that their consciousness and the physical form are but one person....

what I am trying to say is that empirical evidence is severely limited in determining what is real or true.

LordReed:


Yet you are attempting to quote empirical evidence to support your position. If you can please link to 1 meta-study whose findings indicate that consciousness persists after death or alternatively link 2 studies with that conclusion.

Besides the question of death is how do we know things. If you are of the opinion that there is some other method aside our senses, elaborate on how this other method works.

Kobojunkie:
1. You pray for God's intervention in what God has decreed will be? Isn't God already involved in it, this according to you?

2. So, you are not praying for a 360° turnaround in any of these cases, but for what exactly?

You say something about hiding life in Christ and i wonder whose life you are hiding.... yours or whose?

kimco:


Can you provide empirical or metaphysical evidence for this claim? And your methodology for how you came by such conclusion.

Dliquidmetal:
lol Prayer:doing nothing whilst thinking you are helping
Your so called pastors have been praying since independence but shit is only getting worse

Piptocoin:


for one, pastors are called to preach the gospel of Christ so as to be used by God to save souls from perishing.

secondly, I can liken what you just said to the fact that despite the number of educational institutions in Nigeria a very good number of Nigerians are still illiterates.

lastly, prayer is not a magic wand to make everything turn right overnight. where people continue to make the choice to install corrupt leaders despite knowing the consequences....you reap what you sow. prayer has nothing to do with this.

LordReed:


Science has also enabled us to understand where, how and who made the sprinkler system. As for the god we only have a who postulate which has no solid evidence backing it. The where and how can't even be postulated.

HedwigesMaduro:


Yeah. Science has explained the sprinkler came after an explosion, or changed overtime from being a piece of metal junk to a sprinkler. Very intelligent, believable explanations.

LordReed:


If that is what you think science says then you either must be getting your science from quacks or you just don't understand the science.

Kobojunkie:
This gobbledygook makes no sense at all.

If you wish to know God, seek Him out for your own self or shut up.

Dliquidmetal:
all you wrote just affirmed my earlier assertion lol prayers are useless because last I checked Merriam Websters definition of prayer is: an address(such as a petition) to God or a god in word or thought
B: an earnest request or wish.
If you like continue dey delude yourself

LordReed:


If that is what you think science says then you either must be getting your science from quacks or you just don't understand the science.

HedwigesMaduro:


Oh yeah! Big bang and evolution were theories given by priests. Thanks for correcting me.

Piptocoin:


I have provided an answer to this question in my last reply to LordReed.

Piptocoin:


I am not attempting to support my view with empirical evidence. Rather, this dimension of awareness at best falls under experential evidence. Empirical evidence, in an attempt to study the invisible dimension, will always fail.

You believe in the existence of love but have you ever studied the properties of love or hate or envy using empirical analysis?

Take the intuition for another example. It is unarguable that the intuition manifests as knowledge without proof and occurs almost regularly in human daily affairs but does it lend itself to empirical or biological or chemical analysis? If it doesn't then why aren't you denying its existence? If you affirm its existence without the certainty provided by logical evidence what then makes the difference from others like spells, incantations, supernatural recovery from fatal conditions like cancer, hiv/aids, leukemia without medical intervention through prayers....?

As regards knowing the invisible through other senses, there is no way you can tap into the spiritual dimension at will like you do this physical dimension with your physical senses. However, faith is the only door through which the spiritual dimension becomes real. Of course, since the spiritual world is out of the reach of scientific study the only other way to know about it is through experential evidence.

Don't forget this. Since science is not certain of the existence or the non-existence of the afterlife all you are left with is the assumption of both but in your case — the latter. Eternity is too great to gamble away your soul on assumption. investigation must not always be empirical in nature because empirical analysis is severely limited to account for every phenomenon in existence much less those beyond physical existence.