As Tinubu proponents continue to try to market Tinubu’s ambition to naysayers, one of the greatest hurdles standing in his way right now is his religion.

The argument is that it will be insensitive to the yearnings and feelings of Nigerian Christians for Tinubu who is a Muslim to succeed a Muslim Buhari.

But even if we were to overlook that, another question is who would be his Vice? Northern political and religious stakeholders have made it clear that the region cannot be represented by a Christian being that they are predominantly Muslims. So if Tinubu must garner votes from the north, he must choose just another Muslim from the north as Vice. That would be a Muslim/Muslim ticket and if they succeed, they are likely to rule for 8 years. Now, when you add Buhari’s 8 years, that would 16 years of Muslim rule in Nigeria.

Then comes the question of who would be Tinubu’s successor after his likely 8 years in 2031 supposing he was to win 2023. Going by zoning, power would naturally return north and the north being predominantly Muslim would naturally prop up a Muslim to take their slot. Supposing he too were to be victorious at the polls, he would go for another 8 years as is guaranteed by the constitution, right? Now, add Buhari’s 8 years to Tinubu’s 8 years to Tinubu’s northern successor’s 8 years, that would amount to 24 years of Muslim rulership in Nigeria.

These are not conjectures, they are facts as they are.

Now, does it make sense that Nigeria, a country of diverse people and religion would have 24 years of people from same religion being in charge? Is that how national cohesion and social integration would be built and cemented? Will Muslims be comfortable to have such long years of Christian rulership without causing social chaos?

So, even as it’s Tinubu’s constitutional right to aspire for the presidency, and even as we might give him credit, to an extent, for being the first engineer of the new Lagos which demonstrates his capacity, his ambition, if it succeeds, would disrupt a lot of social order and glue that holds the entity and union called Nigeria together.

To avert such disruption, it is therefore imperative that Tinubu realizes the near impossibility of the materialization of his ambition and supports a Christian Southerner to succeed Buhari rather than continue to pursue a futile ambition.

Penguin is a bird of reason!

Lalasticlala
Mynd44

This post is nonsense upon nonsense. You people always ignore what matters most.

If all the past leaders did well, nobody would care about those leaders' religions.

People of different religions taking turns in the office does not mean progress or unity, it will only suit your religious sentiment.

If religion must be considered, what about atheists and idol worshipers? Remove religion from politics. Remove religion from governance.

If religion must be considered, what about tribes? What about the fact that no Igbo person has become the president after military rule? Or, will you present your religion and throw tribe away?

By the way, how sure are you that Tinubu will be the next president?

Dem go see meh meh

Penguin2:
As Tinubu proponents continue to try to market Tinubu’s ambition to naysayers, one of the greatest hurdles standing in his way right now is his religion.

The argument is that it will be insensitive to the yearnings and feelings of Nigerian Christians for Tinubu who is a Muslim to succeed a Muslim Buhari.

But even if we were to overlook that, another question is who would be his Vice? Northern political and religious stakeholders have made it clear that the region cannot be represented by a Christian being that they are predominantly Muslims. So if Tinubu must garner votes from the north, he must choose just another Muslim from the north as Vice. That would be a Muslim/Muslim ticket and if they succeed, they are likely to rule for 8 years. Now, when you add Buhari’s 8 years, that would 16 years of Muslim rule in Nigeria.

Then comes the question of who would be Tinubu’s successor after his likely 8 years in 2031 supposing he was to win 2023. Going by zoning, power would naturally return north and the north being predominantly Muslim would naturally prop up a Muslim to take their slot. Supposing he too were to be victorious at the polls, he would go for another 8 years as is guaranteed by the constitution, right? Now, add Buhari’s 8 years to Tinubu’s 8 years to Tinubu’s northern successor’s 8 years, that would amount to 24 years of Muslim rulership in Nigeria.

These are not conjectures, they are facts as they are.

Now, does it make sense that Nigeria, a country of diverse people and religion would have 24 years of people from same religion being in charge? Is that how national cohesion and social integration would be built and cemented? Will Muslims be comfortable to have such long years of Christian rulership without causing social chaos?

So, even as it’s Tinubu’s constitutional right to aspire for the presidency, and even as we might give him credit, to an extent, for being the first engineer of the new Lagos which demonstrates his capacity, his ambition, if it succeeds, would disrupt a lot of social order and glue that holds the entity and union called Nigeria together.

To avert such disruption, it is therefore imperative that Tinubu realizes the near impossibility of the materialization of his ambition and supports a Christian Southerner to succeed Buhari rather than continue to pursue a futile ambition.

Penguin is a bird of reason!

Lalasticlala
Mynd44

You of course

El Rufai will be waiting in the wings to take over from Tinubu in 2031.

Vice will be Sanwo Olu.

immortalcrown:
This post is nonsense upon nonsense. You people always ignore what matters most.

If all the past leaders did well, nobody would care about those leaders' religions.

People of different religions taking turns in the office does not mean progress or unity, it will only suit your religious sentiment.

By the way, how sure are you that Tinubu will be the next president?

If you cared to read the little piece, you would have got to know it’s a probable question.

And about your utopian argument of how the religion of leaders should not matter, I hope you would make same argument if Christians were to be in saddle for those long years?

Again, is any of the religion in lack of capable people? Would you say only Muslims are capable or only Christians are capable?

Instead of trying to pretend that religious sentiments don’t matter but capacity, how about we get capacity and religious and social cohesion by interchanging leadership between the two main religions until such time when religious considerations would no longer matter in our political discourse as it does today?

Well, your political permutations and analysis seem right in all aspects of the game. However, what Nigeria needs now is a man or woman with the political will and sagacity to set the country on the right course irrespective of tribe, religion or what have you. Nigeria shall be great again.

The same set of uninformed and unrefined beings who voted for Buhari in 2015 & 2019 are the ones clamouring for another incompetent fellow. Yet they are crying the economy is bad. You guys should continue with your emotional defensiveness The same heaven will fall on everybody when the time comes.

If Tinubu is wise he would support osibanjo to be president it would still be a win win for him cos the are both associates, osibanjo as a VP is more appealing to average Nigerians and would be more sellable to all even the northerners

Every sane Nigerian knows that Tinubu is already rejected

I mean 'SANE NIGERIANS' not the mad amala and ewedu urchins

Penguin2:
If you cared to read the little piece, you would have got to know it’s a probable question.
And about your utopian argument of how the religion of leaders should not matter, I hope you would make same argument if Christians were to be in saddle for those long years? Again, is any of the religion in lack of capable people? Would you say only Muslims are capable or only Christians are capable? Instead of trying to pretend that religious sentiments don’t matter but capacity, how about we get capacity and religious and social cohesion by interchanging leadership between the two main religions until such time when religious considerations would no longer matter in our political discourse as it does today?

You are the pretender here. You pretend to carry everyone along by advocating for Christians and Muslims to take turns in the office. You are the pretender because Christianity and Islam are not the only religions in Nigeria. What about idol worshipers and atheists? When will you give those ones chances?

Until you realize that religion and governance are distinct from each other, things will keep getting worse. Being a Christian or Muslim does not guarantee good leadership. Some Muslims have done well in the office. Some Muslims have done badly in the same office. No religion has only bad people. No religion has only good people. So, how does religion matter here?

immortalcrown:

You are the pretender here. You pretend to carry everyone along by advocating for Christians and Muslims to take turns in the office. You are the pretender because Christianity and Islam are not the only religions in Nigeria. What about idol worshipers and atheists? When will you give those ones chances?

Until you realize that religion and governance are distinct from each other, things will keep getting worse. Being a Christian or Muslim does not guarantee good leadership. Some Muslims have done well in the office. Some Muslims have done badly in the same office. No religion has only bad people. No religion has only good people. So, how does religion matter here?

Have you ever taken time to dig deeper into the reason why Abiola who was a Muslim and won the presidency with another Muslim was never allowed to rule?

Have you ever taken time to read why Gideon Okar led an attempted coup against IBB?

Do you know why Buhari kept failing to win the presidency in his previous tries until the stupidity of Tinubu helped him succeed in 2015?

You must also pretend to not have read why Tinubu could not become Buhari’s running mate in 2015.

All these instances I’ve given you had their remote causes from religious reasons.

If religious considerations didn’t matter, why didn’t Obasanjo choose a Christian northerner in 1999 as running mate or why didn’t Yaradua choose a Muslim southerner as running mate in 2007?

Nigeria is ethically and religiously diverse and the conduct of its affairs must reflect same. If you are arguing against this obvious national phenomenon, it shows you are an idealist rather than a realist and I can’t waste my time engaging in academic argument with you.

remigreat:
Well, your political permutations and analysis seem right in all aspects of the game. However, what Nigeria needs now is a man or woman with the political will and sagacity to set the country on the right course irrespective of tribe, religion or what have you. Nigeria shall be great again.

And there’s no one else who can do that except Tinubu?

another1:

You of course

Thank you for wishing me well sir..

But I never reach na. I go first of all be governor and demonstrate my capacity at regional level before seeking the presidency na.

For now, I’m still fighting to conquer sapa

Penguin2:
Have you ever taken time to dig deeper into the reason why Abiola who was a Muslim and won the presidency with another Muslim was never allowed to rule? Have you ever taken time to read why Gideon Okar led an attempted coup against IBB? Do you know why Buhari kept failing to win the presidency in his previous tries until the stupidity of Tinubu helped him succeed in 2015?
You must also pretend to not have read why Tinubu could not become Buhari’s running mate in 2015. All these instances I’ve given you had their remote causes from religious reasons. If religious considerations didn’t matter, why didn’t Obasanjo choose a Christian northerner in 1999 as running mate or why didn’t Yaradua choose a Muslim southerner as running mate in 2007? Nigeria is ethically and religiously diverse and the conduct of its affairs must reflect same. If you are arguing against this obvious national phenomenon, it shows you are an idealist rather than a realist and I can’t waste my time engaging in academic argument with you.

Your logic only inspires religious discrimination (religious conflict). The problem of Nigeria today is not because Buhari is a Muslim. The problem is because Buhari is wicked and incompetent. If the leader is rational and competent, the country will be good irrespective of the leader's religion. Stop deceiving yourself.

Penguin2:


And there’s no one else who can do that except Tinubu?

Is Tinubu the only candidate who will be contesting?

Don't you guys get tired of crying about Tinubu?

A northern muslim president to hand over power to a minority southern muslim president is dead on arrival!
It can only happen if a nothern christian is the out going president.

immortalcrown:

Your logic only inspires religious discrimination (religious conflict). The problem of Nigeria today is not because Buhari is a Muslim. The problem is because Buhari is wicked and incompetent. If the leader is rational and competent, the country will be good irrespective of the leader's religion. Stop deceiving yourself.

Granted that Nigeria’s problem today is not because Buhari is a Muslim but because he’s incompetent…

However, in looking for his successor, shall we only consider capacity and throw other variables to the discourse to the wind only for them to come back haunting us?

In looking for Buhari’s successor, we must look for capacity, vibrancy and someone of different faith.

Now, why should you insist on us focusing on capacity alone while we can easily get someone who ticks all boxes and ensure that no party or leanings of the the Nigerian project is left feeling short changed?

OP it is clear that you are a proponent of Oshibajo2023 .

Penguin2:
Granted that Nigeria’s problem today is not because Buhari is a Muslim but because he’s incompetent… However, in looking for his successor, shall we only consider capacity and throw other variables to the discourse to the wind only for them to come back haunting us? In looking for Buhari’s successor, we must look for capacity, vibrancy and someone of different faith. Now, why should you insist on us focusing on capacity alone while we can easily get someone who ticks all boxes and ensure that no party or leanings of the the Nigerian project is left feeling short changed?

This your mentality is why people use their political positions to champion religious and tribal wars. If the leaders do well without discrimination, nobody will care about religion and tribes.

Since you claim that religion is important here, what about tribe? Going by your logic, an Igbo person should be the next president. The power (position) moved from Obasanjo to Yaradua, from Yaradua to Goodluck, and from Goodluck to Buhari. If you must consider religion, also consider tribe.

immortalcrown:

This your mentality is why people use their political positions to champion religious and tribal wars. If the leaders do well without discrimination, nobody will care about religion and tribes.

Since you claim that religion is important here, what about tribe? Going by your logic, an Igbo person should be the next president. The power (position) moved from Obasanjo to Yaradua, from Yaradua to Goodluck, and from Goodluck to Buhari. If you must consider religion, also consider tribe.

And have you seen me argue against Igbo presidency?

Penguin2:
And have you seen me argue against Igbo presidency?

I never said you argue against Igbo presidency. I just used the analysis to explain that religion does not guarantee good or bad governance. A Christian can go there and do the things the Bible condemns. A Muslim can go there and do all the things the Quran condemns.

I want you to explain how a Christian being the president will guarantee good leadership.

All the governors and local government chairmen in Christian states are Christians. How good are their leaderships? Is the same thing happening at the federal not happening in those states and those local governments?

immortalcrown:

I never said you argue against Igbo presidency. I just used the analysis to explain that religion does not guarantee good or bad governance. A Christian can go there and do the things the Bible condemns. A Muslim can go there and do all the things the Quran condemns.

I want you to explain how a Christian being the president will guarantee good leadership.

All the governors and local government chairmen in Christian states are Christians. How good are their leaderships? Is the same thing happening at the federal not happening in those states and those local governments?

We have Christians who have proven their mettle in previous positions, public or private, and they are in their numbers, why don’t we support one of them?

I’m not arguing for power to be handed to a buffoon because he’s Christian.

My argument is rather than hazard another Muslim presidency for 8 years and have Nigerian Christians agitating and seeing every action from religious prism, why don’t we avoid that by supporting a capable Christian candidate who would not only deliver but also assuage the legitimate agitation of the Christian community?

We want traditional worshiper too to rule

Atiku!

Penguin2:


Have you ever taken time to dig deeper into the reason why Abiola who was a Muslim and won the presidency with another Muslim was never allowed to rule?

Have you ever taken time to read why Gideon Okar led an attempted coup against IBB?

Do you know why Buhari kept failing to win the presidency in his previous tries until the stupidity of Tinubu helped him succeed in 2015?

You must also pretend to not have read why Tinubu could not become Buhari’s running mate in 2015.

All these instances I’ve given you had their remote causes from religious reasons.

Nigeria is ethically and religiously diverse and the conduct of its affairs must reflect same. If you are arguing against this obvious national phenomenon, it shows you are an idealist rather than a realist and I can’t waste my time engaging in academic argument with you.

I have been voting for a while and i have never thought about people's religion.

In fact up till now i dont know the religion sanwo olu or ambode is practicing.

Mko won easily with a muslim muslim ticket, election was annuled based on selfish reasons not religious.
Buhari as always picked a christian and he has always lost untill 2015.
If tinubu had nominated fashola , i am sure that saraki, fayemi and co wouldnt have raise issue about the muslim muslim ticket, the issue was raised because of their opposition to tinubu.

I am certain that tinubu will be running with a professional nothern christian, not a carear politician.

There are mostly christian/muslim dominated states in nigeria, there many instances where we have both the govnr and deputy from the same religion.

Nigerians need a government that can move the country forward, many of us care less about one's religion.

Penguin2:


We have Christians who have proven their mettle in previous positions, public or private, and they are in their numbers, why don’t we support one of them?

........supporting a capable Christian candidate who would not only deliver but also assuage the legitimate agitation of the Christian community?

where are the christians?
In politics, nothing is given.

I personally like osinbajo, obi , moghalu and durotoye.
But i cant even see them, why are they hiding in their bedrooms?

Do they have the structure to win a presidential election?
Have they form a formidable alliances that can make them win?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Obasanjo and jonathan are christians, what did i benefit specially as a christian during their tenure, now that buhari is in power, my self and my muslim friends are still paying the same price for goods and commodities.

The same rain that fall on a christian will also fall on a muslim, no matter the religion of the leader.

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LeoDeKing:
El Rufai will be waiting in the wings to take over from Tinubu in 2031.

Vice will be Sanwo Olu.

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Donshegxy10:


where are the christians?
In politics, nothing is given.

I personally like osinbajo, obi , moghalu and durotoye.
But i cant even see them, why are they hiding in their bedrooms?

Do they have the structure to win a presidential election?
Have they form a formidable alliances that can make them win?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Obasanjo and jonathan are christians, what did i benefit specially as a christian during their tenure, now that buhari is in power, my self and my muslim friends are still paying the same price for goods and commodities.

The same rain that fall on a christian will also fall on a muslim, no matter the religion of the leader.

You like Osinbajo, Obi, Moghalu, etc “but they do not have the formidable structure” to win election; according to you.

So going by your argument, any rogue who can muster a “structure” should be allowed to win elections?

You are are seeing obstacles where there’s non for Osinbajos and Obis in politics. Why don’t we unite to deliver them? Must we always allow roguish grandfathers laud over us because they built structures? First it was Buhari and now Tinubu is gearing up.

Now, on the need for a Christian President…

I see you are limiting the need for a Christian President to its economic importance but the clamour is not solely because we expect him to lower the prize of bread in the market, no.

There are far reaching decisions with generation-lasting religious implications that Presidents make on either daily, weekly or quarterly bases. These decisions, most of the time, have nothing to do with Bread.

Take for instance Buhari’s decision to register Nigeria into the Organization of Islamic Countries (OIC) where we are paying dues till today. That decision had nothing to do with bread but we living with till date. Now imagine three successive Muslim presidents making similar decisions without any Christian diluting things…

Ethnic sentiments is real in Nigerian politics.

Religious considerations is real and has always informed the decision of political stakeholders since independence.

Pretending that these two phenomenon do not exist or engaging in rhetorics to wish them away amounts to disservice to the Nigerian project. Because whatever you are arguing that Tinubu can do, we have an equally competent Christian who can do it better?

OP is high ok cheap weed that's why he out up this nonesense with no ingredient with rubbish headline

TheRareGem1:
OP is high ok cheap weed that's why he out up this nonesense with no ingredient with rubbish headline

So after reading this post, you couldn’t come up with something more logical and intelligent?