America should just attack Russia.
I want to check scores.

aribisala0:
Why did they involve themselves in Libya and Syria and Iraq ? because those were smaller adversaries that they could bully. Now that they are facing the real deal they have become lawyers and photographers gathering evidence for ICC
It is manifest cowardice. Were they not training Ukrainian forces and giving them hope of joing NATO. Putin can use nuclear weapons whenever he likes. NATO will just grumble in their cowardly way.
So now they know Ukraine is not their member? So why offering them $13 billion in aid? Why sending them weapons?
Why did they not send us aid to deal with Boko Haram or aid to other non NATO members in a similar way?

Then tell him to use the the nuclear weapon..
The reason they are offering Ukraine aid is cos Ukraine is an associate to them and NATO recognises the need for Ukraine to be able to defend itself against Russia army..
Just as Russia arms and finances the Donbass region...the west assists Ukraine...they musn't be a member before NATO can assist...

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Then tell him to use the the nuclear weapon..
The reason they are offering Ukraine aid is cos Ukraine is an associate to them and NATO recognises the need for Ukraine to be able to defend itself against Russia army..
Just as Russia arms and finances the Donbass region...the west assists Ukraine...they musn't be a member before NATO can assist...

So why did they intervene in Yugoslavia, Libya and Iraq?
This time it is Russia and they are powerless? They have forgotten how to impose No fly zones? Were those countries NATO members?
They have betrayed Ukraine in their usual cowardly way
They recognize this and are offering AUDIO aid as a face saving gesture
Meanwhile millions of Ukrainians are refugees and their cities destroyed

aribisala0:

They have betrayed Ukraine in their usual cowardly way
They recognize this and are offering AUDIO aid as a face saving gesture

Counter my point and stop crying betrayal.. or are you out of point?

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Counter my point and stop crying betrayal.. or are you out of point?

What is your point?

My point is that NATO betrayed Ukraine
Was Iraq a NATO member?
Was Libya?

They knew how to impose no fly zones there. Have they forgotten now because it is Russia?
Now they are reduces to speeches and standing ovation

Why can't they impose a no fly zone like they did in Iraq and Libya? Cowardice. They are scared .Simple

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Counter my point and stop crying betrayal.. or are you out of point?

So why did they intervene in Yugoslavia, Libya and Iraq?
This time it is Russia and they are powerless? They have forgotten how to impose No fly zones? Were those countries NATO members?
They have betrayed Ukraine in their usual cowardly way
They recognize this and are offering AUDIO aid as a face saving gesture
Meanwhile millions of Ukrainians are refugees and their cities destroyed

Mysticwebb:
This is why they like looking for trouble from other nations. Too many advanced weapons in their possession.

2025 no be today.

aribisala0:
What is your point?

My point is that NATO betrayed Ukraine
Was Iraq a NATO member?
Was Libya?

They knew how to impose no fly zones there. Have they forgotten now because it is Russia?
Now they are reduces to speeches and standing ovation

Why can't they impose a no fly zone like they did in Iraq and Libya? Cowardice. They are scared .Simple

Libya couldn’t threaten to start WW III as they didn’t have nuclear strike capability...
That's not cowardice.. enforcing a no fly zone might lead to ww3..it's called being careful..

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Libya couldn’t threaten to start WW III as they didn’t have nuclear strike capability...
That's not cowardice.. enforcing a no fly zone might lead to ww3..it's called being careful..

Yes o when dog see lion he must be kiafu
Meanwhile millions of Ukrainians are driven out of their homes as if by herdsmen, their cities levelled to the ground and infrastructure destroyed.
It just shows that the US cannot be trusted to defend anyone
They have betrayed Ukraine

aribisala0:


Yes o when dog see lion he must be kiafu
Meanwhile millions of Ukrainians are driven out of their homes as if by herdsmen, their cities levelled to the ground and infrastructure destroyed.
It just shows that the US cannot be trusted to defend anyone
They have betrayed Ukraine

You are still making no point on how they betrayed Ukraine..

FERNANDEZISBACK:

You are still making no point on how they betrayed Ukraine..

Simple they have not come to defend them their so called "associate" as YOU christen them
But they were able to go and "help" Libya , Yugoslavia and Iraq.

Listen to Zelensky you will know that he feels betrayed.

His people have been encouraged into this debacle and when the shooting started all they are getting is speeches and Audio aid while millions are driven out of their country. With allies or associates like NATO who needs enemies

Total BETRAYAL

aribisala0:
Simple they have not come to defend them their so called "associate" as YOU christen them
But they were able to go and "help" Libya , Yugoslavia and Iraq.

Listen to Zelensky you will know that he feels betrayed.

His people have been encouraged into this debacle and when the shooting started all they are getting is speeches and Audio aid while millions are driven out of their country. With allies or associates like NATO who needs enemies

Total BETRAYAL

NATO can't break it rules cos if Ukraine.. being an associate is different from being a member..the highest they can do is send aids and help...

Sending military involvement will spike war..

FERNANDEZISBACK:

NATO can't break it rules cos if Ukraine.. being an associate is different from being a member..the highest they can do is send aids and help...

Sending military involvement will spike war..

But they broke their rules in Yugoslavia , Libya and Iraq?


What does this tell Ukrainians? That NATO loves Libyans more?

aribisala0:
But they broke their rules in Yugoslavia , Libya and Iraq?


What does this tell Ukrainians? That NATO loves Libyans more?

What rules did NATO break In those country you mentioned?

FERNANDEZISBACK:

What rules did NATO break In those country you mentioned?

I don't know you mentioned rules

So whatever rules you were talking about did they not apply when they intervened in those places?

MALIGNANTGuest:
Enough of all these NONSENSE!
I don't know what PUTIN stands to gain apart from registering his name in the wrong book of history. Hasn't he killed enough!
This was clearly an unprovoked war which could have been sorted out via other means.

IF this escalates, the entire world will suffer the damnable. People are already going through a lot for being on planet earth.

Don't blame Putin, blame those who's trying to underrate Russia in this modern world.
Blame Ukraine for choosing to be used as grass when two elephant are fighting.

aribisala0:
I don't know you mentioned rules

So whatever rules you were talking about did they not apply when they intervened in those places?

You spoke about NATO breaking rules in Libya and the rest..so I asked you what rules did NATO break?

FERNANDEZISBACK:

You spoke about NATO breaking rules in Libya and the rest..so I asked you what rules did NATO break?

Do not tell lies. I did not speak about anything

YOU mentioned rules saying NATO cannot break its rules
So you are the one to elucidate what "rules" you were talking about

FERNANDEZISBACK:

NATO can't break it rules cos if Ukraine.. being an associate is different from being a member..the highest they can do is send aids and help...

Sending military involvement will spike war..

FERNANDEZISBACK:

NATO can't break it rules cos if Ukraine.. being an associate is different from being a member..the highest they can do is send aids and help...

Sending military involvement will spike war..

aribisala0:
But they broke their rules in Yugoslavia , Libya and Iraq?


What does this tell Ukrainians? That NATO loves Libyans more?

FERNANDEZISBACK:

You spoke about NATO breaking rules in Libya and the rest..so I asked you what rules did NATO break?

So you said NATO cannot break its own rules

Once again did those rules not exist when they went into Libya and Yugoslavia?

Is it simply not the case that this is a bigger adversary that they cannot bully?

Nothing to do with any imaginary "rules"

Blinken is a making another speech right now

That is what the US is now reduced to making speeches upandan but if it is Libya or Iraq they come out and shout "shock and awe, shock and awe"

aribisala0:
But they could not smoke Afghanistan in 20 years?

How long did it take to oust Sadaam Hussein? a lot longer than 2weeks and oly after killing thousands of civilians and then millions more after he died.

They could not smoke Viet Nam

They could not smoke Somalia


Tell us who they have smoked in your lifetime?

Did the Taliban not hide during the 20 years of us rule in Afghan? Assuming Trump didn't decide to pull out the troops, by visiting the present leader in jail, before Biden did the needful, wouldn't the talisman still be hiding?

Oga there were little civilian casualties at the iraqi war.... American is known world wide to care for civilians than any country.

However this does not negate the wrong America has done by invading....

Make peace, not war

aribisala0:


Do not tell lies. I did not speak about anything

YOU mentioned rules saying NATO cannot break its rules
So you are the one to elucidate what "rules" you were talking about

Ooh thanks I missed that...my bad..
I already gave you an answer to that.. nuclear threat..

If Russia can't fly then they can't bomb so they threaten using nuclear weapons which causes the US to back off..

Establishing a no fly zone by NATO allies would entail having to shoot down Russian aircraft or ground defenses which would be viewed by Russia as a declaration of war...that might possibly escalate into nuclear war... No one wins in a nuclear war and sane leaders understand that..
Do you see the difference now?

obonujoker:


Did the Taliban not hide during the 20 years of us rule in Afghan? Assuming Trump didn't decide to pull out the troops, by visiting the present leader in jail, before Biden did the needful, wouldn't the talisman still be hiding?

Oga there were little civilian casualties at the iraqi war.... American is known world wide to care for civilians than any country.

However this does not negate the wrong America has done by invading....

Make peace, not war

Hide? Are you having a laugh
So the US went into Afghanistan to make the Taliban hide? Was that their objective?
People that were "hiding" was able to sweep the country in weeks?

The US was limited to its military bases in Kabul and never controlled the whole country
and in 2020 Trump sued for peace and signed a deal with the Taliban. Not what you do if you are winning
because they were clearly losing . In the end they ran away in the night with people clinging onto aircraft. They did not even have the decency to inform their allies that were running away

Guy there were not little civilian casualties

MILLIONS OF CIVILIANS DIED IN IRAQ :: MILLIONS
And the CNN that you all worship were silent on this

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Ooh thanks I missed that...my bad..
I already gave you an answer to that.. nuclear threat..

If Russia can't fly then they can't bomb so they threaten using nuclear weapons which causes the US to back off..

Establishing a no fly zone by NATO allies would entail having to shoot down Russian aircraft or ground defenses which would be viewed by Russia as a declaration of war...that might possibly escalate into nuclear war... No one wins in a nuclear war and sane leaders understand that..
Do you see the difference now?

So NATO is afraid of nuclear threat? Is that why they betrayed Ukrainians?

It is terrible and shameful that they only pick on small adversaries

aribisala0:

So NATO is afraid of nuclear threat? Is that why they betrayed Ukrainians?

It is terrible and shameful that they only pick on small adversaries

So not imposing a no fly zone is now betrayal?
They are avoiding destruction..ask anyone around the world nuclear threat or weapon shouldn't be taken with a kid's glove...

Except you are a psychopath and you don't mind the world going to the dust...is that what you want..

FERNANDEZISBACK:

So not imposing a no fly zone is now betrayal?
They are avoiding destruction..ask anyone around the world nuclear threat or weapon shouldn't be taken with a kid's glove...

Except you are a psychopath and you don't mind the world going to the dust...is that what you want..

Not coming to the aid of those who count on you and think you got their back is betrayal.
So you admit that those so called "rules" are not worth anything when facing a big boy like Russia and only applies to small fry like Libya and Iraq

So all the US can do is make speeches and condemn Russia

aribisala0:
Not coming to the aid of those who count on you and think you got their back is betrayal.
So you admit that those so called "rules" are not worth anything when facing a big boy like Russia and only applies to small fry like Libya and Iraq

So all the US can do is make speeches and condemn Russia

Ukraine president knew NATO won't help directly by sending their soldiers before the invasion so where is your betrayal coming from?

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Ukraine president knew NATO won't help directly by sending their soldiers before the invasion so where is your betrayal coming from?

How do you know this?

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Ukraine president knew NATO won't help directly by sending their soldiers before the invasion so where is your betrayal coming from?

How do you know this? Did he believe there would be an invasion?

aribisala0:
How do you know this?

Haha did you just say how did I?
Zelensky understood that NATO will never send him NATO soldiers on the ground for fighting Russia.. everyone knows this..

Ukraine is not a member of NATO and hence NATO is legally not obliged to fight for non-member states..
Simple..who doesn't know that?

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Haha did you just say how did I?
Zelensky understood that NATO will never send him NATO soldiers on the ground for fighting Russia.. everyone knows this..

Ukraine is not a member of NATO and hence NATO is legally not obliged to fight for non-member states..
Simple..who doesn't know that?

How do you know what he knew? Did he know there would be an invasion
But they intervened in Libya. IS Libya a NATO member

aribisala0:
How do you know what he knew? Did he know there would be an invasion
But they intervened in Libya. IS Libya a NATO member

Why wouldn't he know?
He was given tip off by the USA tho.. everyone was..when y'all was calling it propaganda..
NATO intervention in Libya was different and is different from ukraine's own..

NATO was there to curb the evil and their invasion was launched under the authority of UN security council.. NATO and USA is only providing help for Ukraine (defenders)..
The difference is clear..