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Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by Ekpeitit(m): 10:51pm On Mar 25, 2022
No,it's not possible, it's just like an Eeeebo man being a president in Nigeria.
It's not possible.
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by VOICEofORIENTAL: 10:55pm On Mar 25, 2022
oilykid:
Nonsense comparison!! Are blacks not indigenous to America.. for your info, blacks are like 15% of the population and they have contributed immensely to the development of America.. the same cannot be said for Russia and China. Blacks deserve the samething that the whites deserve, they are all Americans, none is more American than the other.
Nnamdi kanu was first a Nigerian before he applied for a British citizenship... this type of opportunity is not in practice in Russia & China.

A system where by if you are born in the US or UK you automatically become their citizen is not even in practice in Nigeria

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Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by oilykid(m): 11:06pm On Mar 25, 2022
VOICEofORIENTAL:
Nnamdi kanu was first a Nigerian before he applied for a British citizenship... this type of opportunity is not in practice in Russia & China.

A system where by if you are born in the US or UK you automatically become their citizen is not even in practice in Nigeria
Who told you that you can't be become a citizen of Russia?
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by aribisala0(m): 11:10pm On Mar 25, 2022
VOICEofORIENTAL:
Nnamdi kanu was first a Nigerian before he applied for a British citizenship... this type of opportunity is not in practice in Russia & China.

A system where by if you are born in the US or UK you automatically become their citizen is not even in practice in Nigeria
You do not automatically become a citizen in the UK because you are born there
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by ojobek: 11:19pm On Mar 25, 2022
Africans were colonised by America and her allies stole our common wealth both human and materials wise to develop there country,so black can be president in that USA. What else.
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by SmartPolician: 11:33pm On Mar 25, 2022
Gentlerespect76:
Did he get the American presidency on a platter? Becoming the President of the USA for Barack Obama was not a walk in the park. He gave it his all, and fortune smiled in his direction.

You are blowing grammar.

If a people don't promote fairness and equity, work hard all you want, you will never get to the top.

We all know this, so let's stop fooling ourselves.
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by TrueNigerian300: 11:45pm On Mar 25, 2022
Ask yourself same question can a Chinese or Russian become president in Nigeria? We blame people for not giving us opportunities in their country how many foreigners have we given any political opportunity as well? We have a sense of entitlement as people always what others can do for us and not the other way round.This is the reason we have a very useless country with many useless people litter all over the place.

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Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by aribisala0(m): 12:46am On Mar 26, 2022
The USA does not belong to white folk. They were invaders.
Black people also were migrants, forced migrants and they provided labour at a time when there were no machines , no electricity. They helped unleash the wealth of America and are ENTITLED . I do not think black people are entitled to anything in Russia. America owes them but Russia doesn't
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by aribisala0(m): 12:54am On Mar 26, 2022
They do not promote anything. You are only being naive.
Maybe because you are young. Even at that you must have witnessed the Black Lives Matter and other incidents under Trump.
Racism is institutionalized in America
Why do I reference your age? If you were old enough you would remember apartheid and the role of the USA. They labelled Mandela a terrorist and were a staunch supporter , along with Britain, of the Apartheid Regime. Go and Find out about the circumstances under Obasanjo as Head of State leading to the exit of BP and Barclays Bank from Nigeria. Also why was the US so antagonistic to Mugabe ?
Nigeria put sanctions on its oil being sold to South Africa but BP still went ahead and Barclays helped them amd Obasanjo seized their assets
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by Ofodirinwa: 1:27am On Mar 26, 2022
VOICEofORIENTAL:
Can Russia or China make you a citizen in their country?If you apply for citizenship in those countries would they give you?.. that is the opportunity I'm talking about

Maybe you don't know. There are many black citizens in both countries and that has been the case for 100s of years. The father of Russia Literature is a black man and the descendant of an African who was sold in Russia as a slave but became a general in the Czar's army.

That being said, my issue is not with the idea of China and Russia not 'making me a citizen'. It's the idea that someone other than birth right made Obama or any other black american a citizen. This post implies that Obama is an immigrant who was made a citizen. Obama is nwafor of his country (United States of America). Nobody can 'make him' or 'allow him' to be president, that is his country. That is like saying someone allowed your father to use the toilet in his own house.
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by pquaver(m): 3:51am On Mar 26, 2022
Gentlerespect76:
Did he get the American presidency on a platter? Becoming the President of the USA for Barack Obama was not a walk in the park. He gave it his all, and fortune smiled in his direction.

Let a black man get it in Russia and China tii without it being a walk in the park or a platter.
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by pquaver(m): 3:54am On Mar 26, 2022
aribisala0:
What are you talking about . Can we stick to one thing please

Russia never enslaved black people so black people are not stakeholders in Russia in any significant way

Nigerians travel abroad and have kids who later have elective positions in UK, US, Canada etc pls can. U give us even a councilor in China or Russia that is black..
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by pquaver(m): 3:58am On Mar 26, 2022
3verblazing:
Can a white man be president in nigeria or ghana?

Atleast we have had people with foreign backgrounds like Murray Bruce in our house of assembly.. Please can you give me even if is a black Councillor in Russia or China!! I dey wait
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by pquaver(m): 4:18am On Mar 26, 2022
mach7:
There is something that needs to be understood here, and that is Russia and China never had dealings with Africa or the black race as compared to Western Europe and the Americas.

Hence, looking at it from this perspective it is clear that integration of blacks into their societies isn't going to be same and it isn't necessarily because they are racist.

Blacks have been in the US, since the 1700s at the height of the slave trade, that is more than 300 years of integration. Russia or rather the Soviet Union before it only got exposed to the black race in the 1950s -1970s during the colonial period, when it is was funding and suporting anti-colonial movements all over Africa. Also, even despite this contact, Africans rarely emigrate to the Soviet Union/Russia due to language divide and climate. Africa is majorly made of up either French speaking or English speaking countries due to the continent being majorly colonised by France and the UK. So emigration/integration will be oriented more towards France or US/UK.

This is even worse for China who didn't even contact Africa until the late 1990s when they started opening up to the outside world. Moreso, they neither colonized Africa nor are there any language connections between China and Africa.

Hence, you can't compare and expect blacks to have a foothold in the Russian or Chinese society when the connections is either minimal or non-existent.

Did Finland, Dänemark, Schweden Iceland colonize any African country? Do ur people not receive citizenship and climb as high in those countries? They are west let ur beloved China n Russia show us their love for black people
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by Nobody: 5:42am On Mar 26, 2022
mach7:
There is something that needs to be understood here, and that is Russia and China never had dealings with Africa or the black race as compared to Western Europe and the Americas.

Hence, looking at it from this perspective it is clear that integration of blacks into their societies isn't going to be same and it isn't necessarily because they are racist.

Blacks have been in the US, since the 1700s at the height of the slave trade, that is more than 300 years of integration. Russia or rather the Soviet Union before it only got exposed to the black race in the 1950s -1970s during the colonial period, when it is was funding and suporting anti-colonial movements all over Africa. Also, even despite this contact, Africans rarely emigrate to the Soviet Union/Russia due to language divide and climate. Africa is majorly made of up either French speaking or English speaking countries due to the continent being majorly colonised by France and the UK. So emigration/integration will be oriented more towards France or US/UK.

This is even worse for China who didn't even contact Africa until the late 1990s when they started opening up to the outside world. Moreso, they neither colonized Africa nor are there any language connections between China and Africa.

Hence, you can't compare and expect blacks to have a foothold in the Russian or Chinese society when the connections is either minimal or non-existent.

Good post. However

1..China has had contact with Africa long before the 1990s( the Tanzania-Zambia railway was built by China in the 1970s).

2. Black people have been in the USA since the 17th century, not 18th
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by Nobody: 5:53am On Mar 26, 2022
VOICEofORIENTAL:
The life we live is always a life of opportunities.God gave us the opportunity to live,to grow, to choose & to decide.

However, not every human being created by God, can give us such opportunity, especially opportunity to grow.

There exist certain types of government, religion & traditions that hinders spiritual & educational growth of an individual.

In view of this,I can boldly say that,Barrak Obama,Ketanji Jackson Brown benefited immensely from the system in place & practice in the US.

My question now is,can a black man or woman be president in Russia or China?

No and it is because numbers

1. Blacks in Russia make up one percent of the population

2. Blacks in China, same thing.

3. USA blacks make up 33% of the population

4.Black populations in both russia and china are largely expats. Expats don't take part in the political process of their host nation. Thus any black person trying to take part in the political process is automatically going to be tagged a foreigner, no matter how long he or she has lived there

5.Blacks in the US are not only indigenous but are very very politically active with a lot of alliances that can be used to good effect

6. Political setups in russia, china and the us favour indigenous people above those perceived as foreigners. ( Even in the USA, Arnold Schwarzenegger 's children have a better chance of being US President than him because he is a naturalized American, not a native born like them). As black populations in both Russia and China are considered expat, even when the person speaks the lingo and has citizenship, that may prevent a black person from participating in the political process
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by a4cube: 5:53am On Mar 26, 2022
VOICEofORIENTAL:
Nnamdi kanu was first a Nigerian before he applied for a British citizenship... this type of opportunity is not in practice in Russia & China.

A system where by if you are born in the US or UK you automatically become their citizen is not even in practice in Nigeria
If you are born in UK, you don't automatically become UK citizen. Your parents status determine what you will become. Be informed.
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by a4cube: 6:02am On Mar 26, 2022
pquaver:


Did Finland, Dänemark, Schweden Iceland colonize any African country? Do ur people not receive citizenship and climb as high in those countries? They are west let ur beloved China n Russia show us their love for black people
Their are many black Russians. At least I know one and his kids though his wife is Russian. What you should understand is, blacks started settling in Russia of recent. Those that married to Russian women will get kids that may enter politics in future. Even in Northern Ireland, blacks find it difficult to get govt work or even licence to operate some kind of business. It's a gradual thing.
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by a4cube: 6:13am On Mar 26, 2022
Jean Gregoire Sagbo is from Cotonu and a Cancellor is Oblast region in Russia. Obama of Russia he is called.

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Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by kolaaderin: 6:15am On Mar 26, 2022
VOICEofORIENTAL:
The life we live is always a life of opportunities.God gave us the opportunity to live,to grow, to choose & to decide.

However, not every human being created by God, can give us such opportunity, especially opportunity to grow.

There exist certain types of government, religion & traditions that hinders spiritual & educational growth of an individual.

In view of this,I can boldly say that,Barrak Obama,Ketanji Jackson Brown benefited immensely from the system in place & practice in the US.

My question now is,can a black man or woman be president in Russia or China?
This question is is pointless. Now go and read extensively about history of all this countries. Read about how the American of today came about her inhabitant population, why it’s possible to have black president in America and not in Russia and China. Read and stop sounding stupid with questions not fit to be asked by a primary school students.
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by Botlord: 6:43am On Mar 26, 2022
VOICEofORIENTAL:
The life we live is always a life of opportunities.God gave us the opportunity to live,to grow, to choose & to decide.

However, not every human being created by God, can give us such opportunity, especially opportunity to grow.

There exist certain types of government, religion & traditions that hinders spiritual & educational growth of an individual.

In view of this,I can boldly say that,Barrak Obama,Ketanji Jackson Brown benefited immensely from the system in place & practice in the US.

My question now is,can a black man or woman be president in Russia or China?
It's plain stupidity to ask this type of question... Russia does not trade black slaves or colonize Africa to have an enormous black population...

We've countries that even colonize and trade blacks with none ever having a black president... France, UK and Belgium to mention few.

It's possible in the foreseeable future but now it's almost impossible... Is it racism?? No you can't call it that...

The support base is not favorable and it's almost inconceivable. Black in USA is estimated at 46 million while black in Russia is merely 50000, so how do you expect a black president...

Russia has many rulers in the past who are not of Russia ethicity... Lenin (probably their most respected ruler) is a Jew, Stalin is a Georgian..

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Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by Botlord: 6:47am On Mar 26, 2022
joyandfaith:


Is obama a slave?
Obama has a slave blood..
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by Botlord: 6:48am On Mar 26, 2022
joyandfaith:


You have a point. Strong point. But Russia also practiced slavery. Serfdom. But i don't think Russia give those enslaved tribes chances unless they assume Russian identity. Russification.
Lenin is a Jew, Stalin is a Georgian...
Say another thing..
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by joyandfaith: 6:52am On Mar 26, 2022
Botlord:

Lenin is a Jew, Stalin is a Georgian...
Say another thing..

Russification
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by GerogeI(m): 6:53am On Mar 26, 2022
VOICEofORIENTAL:
The life we live is always a life of opportunities.God gave us the opportunity to live,to grow, to choose & to decide.

However, not every human being created by God, can give us such opportunity, especially opportunity to grow.

There exist certain types of government, religion & traditions that hinders spiritual & educational growth of an individual.

In view of this,I can boldly say that,Barrak Obama,Ketanji Jackson Brown benefited immensely from the system in place & practice in the US.

My question now is,can a black man or woman be president in Russia or China?

Are you serious,
Neither Russia nor China enslaved black Africans. They have no minority black ethnic population they are trying to erase. Any black you see there is a mordern immigrant.

However, Your Question should be how do minority groups fare within Russian politics.

Answer: Russia has a big lesson for the rest of the world, they never practiced the "Divide and Rule strategy of Britain" which is why most nations around the world are not at peace, including Nigeria.

Russia has many ethnic subgroups about 193, and does not tolerate ethnic supremacy as the west does. That's why people often do not even know the they have subgroups and internal divisions.

Since the break our of the largest ethnic groups under the USSR ( Uzbeks, Turkish, Kazakh, Ukrainians, Belarussians), ethnic Russians constitute about 85% of the population. But you know what, Russia has 21 national Republics, These are different from independent groups. So, by allowing internal Nationalisim within the Russian Mother Vessel, Russia manages its Diversity. Russia is more like the European Union, than a country. See the map below. We Africans need to see more of the world than Britain France and US.

In contrast, Britain killed 3 million people in Eastern Nigeria to force it to be a country, and did so in many other African States. Even in Britain, Scots are looking for independent after their Northsea oil resources has been squandered developing England at their detriment, still they are foced to be Britain.

Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by 3verblazing(m): 7:06am On Mar 26, 2022
pquaver:


Atleast we have had people with foreign backgrounds like Murray Bruce in our house of assembly.. Please can you give me even if is a black Councillor in Russia or China!! I dey wait
Bruce may be white in skin colour but he is as nigerian as you are

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Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by Botlord: 7:25am On Mar 26, 2022
joyandfaith:


Russification
I don't have time for illogical talks this morning... I'm really tired of you screaming russification on every damn thread...

Russification when imperialism is prevalent in Africa... Till today the western colonial are still ruling and controlling us... No country is truly Sovereign in the whole Africa...

Our culture, religion is on the verge of being erased. Neo-colonialism has eaten deep, yet you're shouting russification... Anything Russia and China has done, the West have done worse...
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by Reflect7: 7:50am On Mar 26, 2022
VOICEofORIENTAL:
The life we live is always a life of opportunities.God gave us the opportunity to live,to grow, to choose & to decide.

However, not every human being created by God, can give us such opportunity, especially opportunity to grow.

There exist certain types of government, religion & traditions that hinders spiritual & educational growth of an individual.

In view of this,I can boldly say that,Barrak Obama,Ketanji Jackson Brown benefited immensely from the system in place & practice in the US.

My question now is,can a black man or woman be president in Russia or China?

Very thoughtless post. What is the black population of Russia or China?

A black can be president of America because 15% of their population - around 45 million people, are black.

China and Russia don't even have 1% black population, so why would a black be president there?
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by joyandfaith: 7:55am On Mar 26, 2022
Botlord:

I don't have time for illogical talks this morning... I'm really tired of you screaming russification on every damn thread...

Russification when imperialism is prevalent in Africa... Till today the western colonial are still ruling and controlling us... No country is truly Sovereign in the whole Africa...

Our culture, religion is on the verge of being erased. Neo-colonialism has eaten deep, yet you're shouting russification... Anything Russia and China has done, the West have done worse...





Russia and China did not colonise us because they did not have opportunity to do so. If they had the opportunity, they might be worse. If neighbouring nations who know Russia and China with their histories are running away from them, it is height of stupidity to see them as better world powers. They are all monsters. Some monsters have feelings while others lack feelings.

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Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by VOICEofORIENTAL: 8:34am On Mar 26, 2022
mach7:
There is something that needs to be understood here, and that is Russia and China never had dealings with Africa or the black race as compared to Western Europe and the Americas.

Hence, looking at it from this perspective it is clear that integration of blacks into their societies isn't going to be same and it isn't necessarily because they are racist.

Blacks have been in the US, since the 1700s at the height of the slave trade, that is more than 300 years of integration. Russia or rather the Soviet Union before it only got exposed to the black race in the 1950s -1970s during the colonial period, when it is was funding and suporting anti-colonial movements all over Africa. Also, even despite this contact, Africans rarely emigrate to the Soviet Union/Russia due to language divide and climate. Africa is majorly made of up either French speaking or English speaking countries due to the continent being majorly colonised by France and the UK. So emigration/integration will be oriented more towards France or US/UK.

This is even worse for China who didn't even contact Africa until the late 1990s when they started opening up to the outside world. Moreso, they neither colonized Africa nor are there any language connections between China and Africa.

Hence, you can't compare and expect blacks to have a foothold in the Russian or Chinese society when the connections is either minimal or non-existent.
Kelechi Madu,is a Nigerian but today he is a law officer in Canada, just 17yrs after he left Nigeria.

Bukayo Saka's parents are Nigerians.They migrated to UK for greener pastures, today thier son is representing the English National team.

Deqa Dhalac,is a somali.she left Somalia in 1992 because of war, today she is the first female Muslim mayor in South Portland in the US.

I ask again, can a migrant Christian become a mayor in Saudi Arabia?
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by VOICEofORIENTAL: 8:39am On Mar 26, 2022
Ekpeitit:
No,it's not possible, it's just like an Eeeebo man being a president in Nigeria.
It's not possible.
Hahaha, you they look for my trouble
Re: Ketanji J Brown: Can A Black Be President In Russia Or China? by VOICEofORIENTAL: 8:44am On Mar 26, 2022
oilykid:

Who told you that you can't be become a citizen of Russia?
I have never seen any black migrant that becomes a Russian citizen

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