Echoban:


So which one is Amaechi still complaining abt since PMB approved it with immediate effect.

SmartyPants:


Sometimes slow down and understand the topic.

The equipment is a sensor that alerts controllers when the track is tampered with.

That means, officials would have known or had reason to suspect that a bomb had been placed on the track.

The train would then be grounded until sevuroty forces investigate.

Its very reasonable.

SmartyPants:


Sometimes slow down and understand the topic.

The equipment is a sensor that alerts controllers when the track is tampered with.

That means, officials would have known or had reason to suspect that a bomb had been placed on the track.

The train would then be grounded until sevuroty forces investigate.

Its very reasonable.

GloriousGbola:


So the sensor detects an obstruction. You stop the train and are sitting ducks until the obstruction is removed.

All these solutions are capital intensive. How many security teams will be required to watch the rail line effectively?

SmartyPants:


Sometimes slow down and understand the topic.

The equipment is a sensor that alerts controllers when the track is tampered with.

That means, officials would have known or had reason to suspect that a bomb had been placed on the track.

The train would then be grounded until sevuroty forces investigate.

Its very reasonable.

GloriousGbola:
1) the government shot down amaechis proposal - but failed to acknowledge the risk and provide an altenative. quite simply the whole FEC is a band of incompetent ediats who refused to plan for what we all knew would happen. at least amaechi was proactive enough to initiate a conversation about this issue.

the onus would have been on the FEC to vet and invite other vendors

2) the security solution is really just addressing the symptom. the actual issue is unchecked bandits. the bandits took over the roads so people moved to trains. the bandits attacked the airport, so people moved to trains. then the bandits attacked the trains

the constant in these three scenarios - the bandits. all the technology in the world will not be enough as it will make our rail the worlds most expensive rail line in the world to operate. the solution is to deal with the bandits once and for all.

aribisala0:

In theory
So the FEC asked for more information
Does it actually work. Is it proven
How will it work e.g will it use electricity and what happens if there is a power outage
Who will operate it and what training will they need? Have the security services been carried along? Is awarding contract the first thing.
You do not buy planes if you have no pilots.
So it sounds very good in theory to the gullible.
Linking NIN to SIM sounds very good in theory has it achieved the results we were told of ? Even Pantami's family are being kidnapped.
I do not believe that equipment would have made any difference without a response team on ground.
What we need to do is to improve intelligence gathering but also to create opportunities for people who see themselves as not part of the Nigerian project and are motivated to do this? Maybe that 3 billion needs to go into education which is NOT A PRIORITY of this government

GloriousGbola:


So the sensor detects an obstruction. You stop the train and are sitting ducks until the obstruction is removed.

All these solutions are capital intensive. How many security teams will be required to watch the rail line effectively?

SmartyPants:


Such a system must exist somewhere. The basic idea of it is not rocket science. The problem is that Amaechi appears to be attempting to use the project to cash out by awarding it to jis friends wjo do not have any genuine expertise in this area.

You are talking as if this is the only 3 billion naira Nigeria has. The money is to come from the budget alresdy allocated to the minsitdy of works, while the ministry of educatoon has its own budget lines.

emmykk:


The company that outsmart Airtel to buy 5G license don't have re cord yet won the contact and may probably engage professional.

Osinbajo refused to sign that security budget for the railways now see.

lexy2014:


intelligent man, you havent answered the questions:

is the FEC is corruption free? what has happened to all the money buhari has pumped into the military? where is the result?

aribisala0:

Must exist somewhere ? because citizens blow up trains in their countries everywhere in the world.
Your assumption has no basis.
Even if a system exists somewhere and works does that mean it will work in Nigeria?
Yes police forces exist somewhere that do not march citizens off to ATM machines at gunpoint to extort them. They do trust me
If the system works and is proven fine.
There is nothing wrong with the questions that were asked at the FEC .
Amaechi had several options
To come back better prepared and represent it, He could have approached the president or he could have resigned
Nigeria does not have an infinite amount of 3 billions if we did ASUU would not be on strike.
There is nothing special about the theory of the system . It is a glorified CCTV in terms of purpose. It is not boots on the ground.
We would still need a response team that are trained.

Do not forget that such systems are likely to be triggered by wild animals and natural phenomena and across hundreds of miles cannot be touted as a fix for what happened .That is very dishonest

MASTAkiLLAh:
you're mostly right about his character and integrity, we've known him in Rivers State right from his days as speaker so take whatever he says with a pinch of salt. I don't think his office enjoys immunity so I suggest he be invited for questioning by the appropriate authorities for explanations and why he embarrassed his employers instead of providing information they asked for. He made PMB look bad here, really bad and wicked so questions must be asked even if it's via query

SmartyPants:


i'm not really sure what you're driving at now. I've not said the FEC was wrong to query Amaechi. i have said the exact opposite, having pointed out that Amaechi appears to be attempting to profit from this. That does not invalidate the idea of having the system, nor does it mean that boots on the ground can't be deployed...really what's your point?

SmartyPants:


Such a system must exist somewhere. The basic idea of it is not rocket science. The problem is that Amaechi appears to be attempting to use the project to cash out by awarding it to jis friends wjo do not have any genuine expertise in this area.

You are talking as if this is the only 3 billion naira Nigeria has. The money is to come from the budget already allocated to the ministry of works, while the ministry of education has its own budget lines.


You can invest in education and all that while sevuring the railway infrsstructure at the same time.

Reference:


This is why I say the only way to secure critical infrastructure is to have local police, simple.
Boots on the ground.
There is a minimum law enforcement density per area and per population as prescribed by the UN.
We are no where near it because the Federal Government just cannot afford it.
A patrol car or van should not be more than fifteen minutes from any spot on the geographical map (of any territory in Nigeria) and not more than two blocks away in urban areas.
This is only possible where the system is grassroots based.

When you combine that with transit police on trains, air marshals on aircraft, and installation guards at the ports of transit, all interconnected, then the web will be too tight for crime to go undetected.
This is one of the few countries in the world where 100, 200, 300 gun wielding men will roam about unchallenged and project criminal power hundreds of kilometres from their bush bases leaving authorities here chasing shadows.

The present law enforcement structure is just not fit for the realities of today's Nigeria.
We need several tiers/levels of security, each paid for directly by the peoples they serve.
State police, Local government police, railway/transit police funded by the state taxpayer, the local government tax payer and in this case the Nigeria Railway Corporation, all equipped and licensed by the constitution to tackle crime.

Tareq1105:


So what is your point now?

Are you saying that every nonsense memo should be approved?

Answer me future leader.

It's like you've never worked in government establishment before. Every item has its budget line.

Go and learn more and stop promoting indolence and corruption. Pls stop exposing your ignorance here.

Amaechi is never serious in his approach to issues. If you have a memo that was rejected 7 months ago, what are you supposed to do?

You go back after you must have gotten more information about the workings and functionality of the equipment.

His claim that BPP had approved doesn't stop the FEC from asking questions. It's your ability to convince the council after getting all the required information that will deliver the project.

It's either Amaechi is a small boy in governance or he was up to something.

Echoban:


Exactly my taught. Fine if FEC refused base on above said condition, what stops Amaechi from looking forward to getting more experienced & convinceable company to FG? Because they rejected the one he brought, abadoning the whole security isn't the way forward.

Hon Minister should be brought forward to tell us what we don't know abeg.

redcliff:


after na una go come out from interview dey angry say the employer dey find 10years experience and you had little or non. asking why people are not given chances? did the age of their company matter in delivery of the said equipment? most likely not, could they have delivered? maybe yes but you would never have found out if you used their age of their company to screen them out. Abi no be this same Nigeria una dye cry for opportunity to do something and not seeing one? or no be one day person dey start something? if they are requesting for upfront payment, is that not the way to do it? abi they should use their money to do it and be owed by the govt? if it was you who was in their shoes, what would you have done differently?

Reference:


This is why I say the only way to secure critical infrastructure is to have local police, simple.
Boots on the ground.
There is a minimum law enforcement density per area and per population as prescribed by the UN.
We are no where near it because the Federal Government just cannot afford it.
A patrol car or van should not be more than fifteen minutes from any spot on the geographical map (of any territory in Nigeria) and not more than two blocks away in urban areas.
This is only possible where the system is grassroots based.

When you combine that with transit police on trains, air marshals on aircraft, and installation guards at the ports of transit, all interconnected, then the web will be too tight for crime to go undetected.
This is one of the few countries in the world where 100, 200, 300 gun wielding men will roam about unchallenged and project criminal power hundreds of kilometres from their bush bases leaving authorities here chasing shadows.

The present law enforcement structure is just not fit for the realities of today's Nigeria.
We need several tiers/levels of security, each paid for directly by the peoples they serve.
State police, Local government police, railway/transit police funded by the state taxpayer, the local government tax payer and in this case the Nigeria Railway Corporation, all equipped and licensed by the constitution to tackle crime.

SmartyPants:


Bombs are not placed on the track mere seconds befre the train approaches. Mere having that sensor means that the controllers will have hours of notice.

Such a system can effectively be manned by one person. All that is required is for that person, who can be an existing staff, to recieve the alert and forward it the relevant security agencies in charge of the area.

soojar:


The way some people reason on this forum, I wonder if who they are in real life.

So you think this project should have been given to a company that doesn't even know the names of the equipments it's going to use? Chai!

Common sense should tell anyone that there is no security anything anywhere they are installing. This is the way projects are normally approved in Nigeria but this particular one was rejected maybe Ameachi did not carry some people along.

In case you are not getting it, let me point some things out to you, forget about the experience of the company for now (even though it matters a lot)

1. What is the brand name of the equipments so that we can look up the company that produce them or is it the 2 years old company that manufactures the equipments

2. What does each part of the component of the equipment do? Which one is camera, how does it operate, which one sends signal or alert, how does it operate. Which one fires warning shot at advancing bandits (if there is anything like that there)

3. Who are the personnel that will be responsible for this project, can they be trusted not to compromise with terrorists to go sell the anti whatever installed in the equipments to terrorists?

As someone who has been involved in several business negotiation processes (maybe a few tens of millions), I have a lot of questions to ask whoever is presenting this shoddily put together proposal. Not to now talk of of BILLIONS of naira and people's lives at stake.

aribisala0:
He is not a team player, he is weak and has shown he lacks character and integrity. He was asked to provide more information and is coming out to mislead the public

Having armed escorts physically on the trains is a more realistic option
For now our rails should be used to carry goods only i.e container shipments and forget about carrying people.

Tareq1105:


So what happened if the person that is in charge or receives the alerts is their (Terrorists) Muslim brother?

Just imagine how this country would be without these idiots.

ajl:


Not effective. I am not sure you understand purpose of the equipment they are talking about. Having armed security guards on trains will not solve the problem if terrorists go under the cover of the night to plant bombs along traintracks. I think that's what they did to the drain before shooting down some survivors.

GloriousGbola:
Nigeria should first and foremost consult with countries like India or Pakistan. Both nations are analogous to Nigeria. All these fancy Western solutions require a first world framework.

They will simply not work in Nigeria

Tareq1105:


You know we have so many clueless people on the platform. People that lack basic knowledge of good governance and workings of government institutions.

soojar:


The way some people reason on this forum, I wonder who they are in real life.

So you think this project should have been given to a company that doesn't even know the names of the equipments it's going to use? Chai!

Common sense should tell anyone that there is no security anything anywhere they are installing. This is the way projects are normally approved in Nigeria but this particular one was rejected maybe Ameachi did not carry some people along.

In case you are not getting it, let me point some things out to you, forget about the experience of the company for now (even though it matters a lot)

1. What is the brand name of the equipments so that we can look up the company that produce them or is it the 2 years old company that manufactures the equipments

2. What does each part of the component of the equipment do? Which one is camera, how does it operate, which one sends signal or alert, how does it operate. Which one fires warning shot at advancing bandits (if there is anything like that there)

3. Who are the personnel that will be responsible for this project, can they be trusted not to compromise with terrorists to go sell the anti whatever installed in the equipments to terrorists?

As someone who has been involved in several business negotiation processes (maybe a few tens of millions), I have a lot of questions to ask whoever is presenting this shoddily put together proposal. Not to now talk of of BILLIONS of naira and people's lives at stake.

Now back to your analogy, so you will be comfortable to give all your life savings to a mason who has never built any kiosk before, doesn't even know the name of equipment he will use in plastering or how it works while also asking you to give him 100% payment upfront to build house you will sleep with your family? Think about that.

If this is the way majority of Nigerians reason then all hope is lost on that country