VictorUSA:
But not all countries are hostile to Russia.They will freeze assets belonging to those countries that freezes their's only.

In my opinion, i think there's a deliberate push to get Russia to freeze foreign assets.
Germany had a really good relationship with Russia. They refused to impose sanctions on Russia for years under Merkel
Immediately Germany imposed sanctions on Russia under the new govt., and Russia retaliated, the relationship is broken and there's no going back now.
I think the US is making sure the relationship between EU and Russia is badly strained, EU will solely depend on the US.
My opinion.
They are trying to do the same with India
They put a wedge between countries

VictorUSA:
But not all countries are hostile to Russia.They will freeze assets belonging to those countries that freezes their's only.

We are saying same thing! The 400 companies are those that have suspended operations, and they are from hostile nations. What I am saying is that it is illegal to unilaterally spend the foreign reserve of another nation, more-so, when you have investments much larger in his domain. They will simply seize yours too.

bn365 it seemed to me that merkel is pro-russia, tho i am not familiar with their relation.She blocked the ukraine joining of nato in 2008 and recently stood by it when zelensky criticized her.During her time, they never had tensions with russia like now under scholz.

VictorUSA:
bn365 it seemed to me that merkel is pro-russia, tho i am not familiar with their relation.She blocked the ukraine joining of nato in 2008 and recently stood by it when zelensky criticized her.During her time, they never had tensions with russia like now under scholz.

We could assume that that's the case, at face value
She really got along with Putin.
She could also be more pragmatic, as business is everything for Germans.
The new guy is now facing heat from those who voted him in

bn365:


We could assume that that's the case, at face value
She really got along with Putin.
She could also be more pragmatic, as business is everything for Germans.
The new guy is now facing heat from those who voted him in

I don't think there's anything pragmatic in her relationship with putin.I can easily asume that she's just a putin ally than being pragmatic.

VictorUSA:
I don't think there's anything pragmatic in her relationship with putin.I can easily asume that she's just a putin ally than being pragmatic.

Well, that's one way of looking at it.
I think Leaders that care more about their citizens, will get treated a certain way.

The US wanted India to stop buying Russian products. Indian army equipment is Russian-made and maintained by Russia.
The whole world sees how the US uses sanctions to whip nations into line, why would nations give in to the US demands?
Days after a landslide victory in Hungary, the EU decides it was contemplating slapping sanctions on Hungary.
Hungarians voted against the wish of the EU, now they will get the treatment
I'm sure you know what "populist" is? A leader that governs according to the will of the people.
That is the anthesis to who the US/EU wants to run the globe
They[US/EU] make you bow to their every whim

WoundedLamb:
Lol... Putin suddenly cares about other countries.

Putin has cared about other countries more than USA has... He has helped Africa more...

Sponsoring or intervening in wars in other countries is not care (that's all USA does)

Elimon:


Putin has cared about other countries more than USA has... He has helped Africa more...

Sponsoring or intervening in wars in other countries is not care (that's all USA does)

And how have they shown this care, brother? Did you just make this statement just for argument sake or you can really defend it? It's Russia we are talking about here, not China. What has Russia done for other countries compared to the US? With which economy have they done that? In what terms exactly? Humanitarian aids? Direct investments? Military or trade? Russia is nowhere on top of the list here. Russia only started romancing Africa in 2007 in a bid to expand thier influence and dealt mostly in arms and oil excavation (Rusel) before eventually becoming a noticeable trading partner in 2015.

The US provides the highest humanitarian aid to other countries in the world budgeting more than 0.5% of thier GNI for this. Your country, Nigeria, is in the top 10 recipient list (a total of $729.22m in 2017). Many global bodies have the US as thier major benefactor. Who has Russia helped? What has Russia done for your country? Does Russia even take up to 500 refugees in a year? Even when some countries face serious natural disasters, how much assistance does Russia give? Even South Korea does more than Russia.

In terms of foreign direct investment (FDI), the US is only second to the Netherlands. In terms of contribution to global research and education, the US, China and Japan take the lead. Why do you think other countries call on the US when they feel overwhelmed. Again, even your country, Nigeria, has repeatedly asked for US intervention in the fight against terrorism.

You talk about wars and military activities/intervention to discredit the US and yet, this is the only aspect where Russia is actually openly competing with the US. Though nothing compared to the US, Russia has military bases in other countries too. Russia has sent troops to countries too including Croatia, Sierra Loan, Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic, Burkina Faso, Chad, Mali, Mauritania, Niger and many other countries (some invited, others uninvited). In fact, they also sent troops to Afghanistan just like the US did and they once took over Kabul and a great portion of the country too.

The US is powerful because many countries and global bodies are tapping from her abundant resources. This gives them a say in what happens around the world. Russia can't attain such height by military might alone. Russia has to actually be seen to really care about other countries if they must be regarded. I can't believe you made me do this apple and orange comparison.

I would have taken my time to really dissect your non-argument but i really don't have the time BUT...I'll leave you with this:

Russia has been in Africa way more than you want to give them credit.
US-supported apartheid in South Africa. Some of the people in [ANC]Govt today in South Africa studied in Russia
While the CIA was overthrowing African leaders, Russia was succor.
Read about communism and liberation movements in Africa

In the 1980s, US Army, Fauci, and the apartheid govt injected Black South Africans with the AIDS virus[HISTORY REPEATS OR RHYTHMS?]

WoundedLamb:


And how have they shown this care, brother? Did you just make this statement just for argument sake or you can really defend it? It's Russia we are talking about here, not China. What has Russia done for other countries compared to the US? With which economy have they done that? In what terms exactly? Humanitarian aids? Direct investments? Military or trade? Russia is nowhere on top of the list here. Russia only started romancing Africa in 2007 in a bid to expand thier influence and dealt mostly in arms and oil excavation (Rusel) before eventually becoming a noticeable trading partner in 2015.

The US provides the highest humanitarian aid to other countries in the world budgeting more than 0.5% of thier GNI for this. Your country, Nigeria, is in the top 10 recipient list (a total of $729.22m in 2017). Many global bodies have the US as thier major benefactor. Who has Russia helped? What has Russia done for your country? Does Russia even take up to 500 refugees in a year? Even when some countries face serious natural disasters, how much assistance does Russia give? Even South Korea does more than Russia.

In terms of foreign direct investment (FDI), the US is only second to the Netherlands. In terms of contribution to global research and education, the US, China and Japan take the lead. Why do you think other countries call on the US when they feel overwhelmed. Again, even your country, Nigeria, has repeatedly asked for US intervention in the fight against terrorism.

You talk about wars and military activities/intervention to discredit the US and yet, this is the only aspect where Russia is actually openly competing with the US. Though nothing compared to the US, Russia has military bases in other countries too. Russia has sent troops to countries too including Croatia, Sierra Loan, Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic, Burkina Faso, Chad, Mali, Mauritania, Niger and many other countries (some invited, others uninvited). In fact, they also sent troops to Afghanistan just like the US did and they once took over Kabul and a great portion of the country too.

The US is powerful because many countries and global bodies are tapping from her abundant resources. This gives them a say in what happens around the world. Russia can't attain such height by military might alone. Russia has to actually be seen to really care about other countries if they must be regarded. I can't believe you made me do this apple and orange comparison.

bn365:

I would have taken my time to really dissect your non-argument but i really don't have the time BUT...I'll leave you with this:

Russia has been in Africa way more than you want to give them credit.
US-supported apartheid in South Africa. Some of the people in [ANC]Govt today in South Africa studied in Russia
While the CIA was overthrowing African leaders, Russia was succor.
Read about communism and liberation movements in Africa

Russia's contribution to the continent of Africa is that some South African leaders studied in Russia? This is your highlight? I gave you a rundown of how the US is the world's highest benefactor with figures and Russia is not even in the first 20. I pointed out how Russia has also done a lot military interventions which you used to discredit the US. And your response is, some South African leaders studied in Russia. With this response, I'm inclined to believe it's not the time you don't have but the points to engage. If I had engaged you with the normal Nairaland name calling, insults and emotional arguments, you would have gladly engaged me. It's not like I really expected a strong argument cause there's really nothing to compare. But your response is sidesplitting to say the least.

bn365 my friend, Leaders who care 'bout the interest of their nation and tend to ignore world politics are not popular.

The U.S imposed sanctions on India few years ago for purchasing Russian weapons, I think S-400 or so.India was a staunch U.S ally but got aleniated after the sanction and decided to build good relation with Russia.

The US wants to dominate and control the world and they seek to do that thru nato.Countries know this and some of them are taking bold steps backward.E.g S/Arabia and India.

As for Hungary, Viktor Orban is just one example of international unpopular leaders.He is not swayed by the U.S, E.U, NATO and host of other countries that seems to presure them to stop buying Russian oil and to supply Ukraine with weapons.

The U.S wants to control the world and they are already doing it.They want to consolidate it. We will see how it goes.

I'd like to emphasize that I don't have the time or patience because I knew you had no idea what you were talking about.
To begin, for someone who just recently emerged from a pandemic and global lockdown courtesy of the US Pentagon, CIA, and state departments, to be writing a glowing review of the US and its allies, tells me a lot.
That should have given you an idea of the kind of tyranny with which the US and its allies rule the world. They control the narrative, so you can't talk about the US-funded labs in Ukraine where they were developing the hemorrhagic fever-like virus known as Ebola. They tested it in Liberia and Sierra Leone and intend to make it available to the rest of the world.
Coof has only a 0.1 percent kill rate. The mortality rate for Ebola is 50%.
Imagine releasing a virus on the world, where people lose blood until they die, and you had to watch it shown LIVE ON CNN
You'd be scared and willing to do everything you're told to do.
Second, Russia pursues a non-interference foreign policy. They make an effort not to meddle in the internal affairs of other countries.

Now, if I have to engage you, I'd like you to name one country in Africa, Only one, in which Russia intervened, and WHY?
I know I'm already asking for too much and you'd prove me right in your response.

If you choose to call me names, it says more about you than it does about me.

I could give you a laundry list of the Former Soviet Union's aid to Africa, but it is not my place to educate people on the internet.
Consider any bloody coup in the history of any African country. Because Africa was far more pro-communist, the CIA engaged in assassinations, coups, and counter-coups. The majority of the young leaders killed in Africa were as a result of US government intervention.

WoundedLamb:



Russia's contribution to the continent of Africa is that some South African leaders studied in Russia? This is your highlight? I gave you a rundown of how the US is the world's highest benefactor with figures and Russia is not even in the first 20. I pointed out how Russia has also done a lot military interventions which you used to discredit the US. And your response is, some South African leaders studied in Russia. With this response, I'm inclined to believe it's not the time you don't have but the points to engage. If I had engaged you with the normal Nairaland name calling, insults and emotional arguments, you would have gladly engaged me. It's not like I really expected a strong argument cause there's really nothing to compare. But your response is sidesplitting to say the least.

bn365:

Again, I'd like to reiterate that I don't have the time nor the patience.
You just came out a few weeks ago from a pandemic and global lockdown courtesy of the US Pentagon, CIA, and state dept.
That ought to have given you a glimpse into the kind of tyranny with which the US and its allies run the globe. The control the narrative, so you're not allowed to talk about the

You don't have the time nor the patience to address the detailed data-driven comparison I gave to you regarding who has contributed more to the welfare of other countries between the US and Russia but you somehow have the time and patience to reply my comments with baseless chit-chats and conspiracy theories.

Are you even reading the things you're typing in response to mine? Some South African leaders studied in Russia. America wants to kill the world with Covid-19. What next? 5G network, Pope John Paul, Illuminati, one world order? Dude, you can argue about Covid-19 and it's origin in another conversation but talking about Covid-19 while refusing to showcase how Russia has outdone the US in showing care for other countries is a deliberate attempt to steer of the subject. It's strawman's argument, something only connered people do. No one falls for that these days.

Russia has not and will probably never show care nor support for other countries half as much as the US has regardless of the terms of judgment. You can hate the US as much as you like but arguing that bit would be foolishness cause figures don't lie.

You're still going to continue with your chit-chat while not having the time to address my response.

Here's the takeaway from the points you just made.
The United States seeks to dominate other countries. Purchasing Russian gas and military equipment is in India's national interest. Purchasing from Russia is in the best interests of Hungary, Germany, and a number of other countries. "Too bad," says the United States, "we don't care!" Do exactly what you're told.
As a country's leader, you're left with the choice of incurring the wrath of your people when gas and food prices skyrocket and protests become rampant and threaten your national security, or pleasing the US, which can turn on a dime and impose sanctions against your country for refusing to allow gay and transgender rights

Your arguing in favor of doing what the US says and alienating Russia?

VictorUSA:
bn365 my friend, Leaders who care 'bout the interest of their nation and tend to ignore world politics are not popular.

The U.S imposed sanctions on India few years ago for purchasing Russian weapons, I think S-400 or so.India was a staunch U.S ally but got aleniated after the sanction and decided to build good relation with Russia.

The US wants to dominate and control the world and they seek to do that thru nato.Countries know this and some of them are taking bold steps backward.E.g S/Arabia and India.

As for Hungary, Viktor Orban is just one example of international unpopular leaders.He is not swayed by the U.S, E.U, NATO and host of other countries that seems to presure them to stop buying Russian oil and to supply Ukraine with weapons.

The U.S wants to control the world and they are already doing it.They want to consolidate it. We will see how it goes.

Well, I knew you were a rambler the minute I read your first post.
Again, I will highlight my question: Name one country in Africa where Russia has intervened in their internal politics

I'll be willing to engage further but if you choose to gloss over it, I'll pass

WoundedLamb:


You don't have the time nor the patience to address the detailed data-driven comparison I gave to you regarding who has contributed more to the welfare of other countries between the US and Russia but you somehow have the time and patience to reply my comments with baseless chit-chats and conspiracy theories.

Are you even reading the things you're typing in response to mine? Some South African leaders studied in Russia. America wants to kill the world with Covid-19. What next? 5G network, Pope John Paul, Illuminati, one world order? Dude, you can argue about Covid-19 and it's origin in another conversation but talking about Covid-19 while refusing to showcase how Russia has outdone the US in showing care for other countries is a deliberate attempt to steer of the subject. It's strawman's argument, something only connered people do. No one falls for that these days.

Russia has not and will probably never show care nor support for other countries half as much as the US has regardless of the terms of judgment. You can hate the US as much as you like but arguing that bit would be foolishness cause figures don't lie.

You're still going to continue with your chit-chat while not having the time to address my response.

bn365:

Well, I knew you were a rambler the minute I read your first post.
Again, I will highlight my question: Name one country in Africa where Russia has intervened in their internal politics

I'll be willing to engage further but if you choose to gloss over it, I'll pass

Why would I want to engage you knowing fully well that you'd dogde the subject when presented with facts? You're making your point with Covid-19 conspiracy and I'm the rambler. I know you're hoping for this to degenerate into calling names and baring fangs, but that's not my thing. Despite your unpleasant approach to debates, I'll gladly engage you on the subject of Russian military activities on the continent of Africa side-by-side that of the US. That's an interesting topic. But you have to first admit that the US has shown support to other countries of the world than Russia has. That's the bone of contention. Then we can proceed to the countries Russia has directly or indirectly interfered in.

My comment you quoted suggested that Russia doesn't care about others and you called me out for this. There is no need to get slippery now. You can't get me on a wild goose chase. Regardless of whatever you have against the US, the country has been there for other countries far more than any other in the world and Russia is not even close. I gave you my reasons and you claim you're too busy to counter them. But you have the time to change the topic.

bn365:
Here's the takeaway from the points you just made.
The United States seeks to dominate other countries. Purchasing Russian gas and military equipment is in India's national interest. Purchasing from Russia is in the best interests of Hungary, Germany, and a number of other countries. "Too bad," says the United States, "we don't care!" Do exactly what you're told.
As a country's leader, you're left with the choice of incurring the wrath of your people when gas and food prices skyrocket and protests become rampant and threaten your national security, or pleasing the US, which can turn on a dime and impose sanctions against your country for refusing to allow gay and transgender rightsYour arguing in favor of doing what the US says and alienating Russia?

We are conversing not arguing.

VictorUSA:
We are conversing not arguing.

My apologies if I came across as argumentative.