But tbf to Russia, their military doctrine is majorly defensive and not to project power. They have the military and technical expertise for a mordern navy, but they are not interested. The few warships they have are heavily concentrated for defense of their territorial waters in the Baltic sea and Black sea including their submarines.
So because of the military doctrine that doesn't project power, having multiple warships and Aircraft carriers will be useless. That is why they only have Missiles and fighter jet. All their military R& D is directed majorly toward making faster and deadlier missiles and fighter jets .
Honestly, The way Russia military is structured, they are not even a threat, as regards to world domination. I don't know why USA can't leave Russia's corner of the world(Eastern Europe) to them and stop threatening their security.
The country with the ambition of world domination is China, and strangely, Europe , USA and the likes are not even doing anything about China. The last president that tried to do something about it got shamed out of office. It seems the Chinese has bought the Democratic party.
China's Policies, both economic and Military points to that direction of world domination.
In the economic policies of china, they have the belt and road initiative, currency swap deal for Yuan with a lot of countries.
In their military, China bought an old Soviet Era Aircraft carrier from Russia, as well as old decommissioned Aircraft carriers from the British for studying, they reversed engineered it and built their own first Aircraft carrier. Now they are currently building 2 additional aircraft carriers simultaneously and could be ready in 5 years time. In the next 10 years, we could be having a Chinese military with at least 5 Aircraft carriers.
Now tell me what a country want to use that amount of Aircraft carriers to do, if not to project power, just like the USA presently does with its 11 carriers.
By the time the idiots at Washington wake up to the Chinese reality, it could be too late. But it's Russia who just want to be left alone at their own corner of the continent that they see as a threat.
Qadaffi2idiamin: I don't entertain such insults from kindergartens like you. Your brain is functional right?
With your idiotic functional brain, why do you think the US and it's NATO allies would advise against Russia owning a military base in Mexico and Venezuela?
With your useless dysfunctional irredeemable brain, why do you think US will not allow a Russian General lead a peace keeping mission under the United Nations Peace keeping forces covering all parts of member states?
With your stupid psychotic brain, why do you think a deadly cult like NATO would want Ukraine, a nation that shares same values like Russia to be admitted into NATO which gives them the right to build military bases anywhere in Ukraine including its borders with Russia and your irredeemable uneducated mind can't relate with the fact that it's a clear hostility to a former Soviet Federation?
I can go on but your brain is so dysfunctional that you may need a neurosurgeon to remove the rotten mucor inside. Spits!
Cockroach.
Russia can't have a base because it's a rogue nation,a tyrannical and dictatorship government that can't be trusted... a country that is irrational and kills opposition,no freedom of speech and expression etc
Stop comparing Russia with USA because USA is the police of the world and they practice true democracy
Qadaffi2idiamin: I agree with you but that objective was built on Stalin's madness.
Democracy is a system that encourages corruption and inequality.
In communism and socialism it's entirely different.
I disagree. Both system of government can fester corruption. Since you pointed corruption in democracy permit me to mention the highest level in communism. E.g, Do you know that the Oligarchs been sanctioned today were made billionaires through a corrupt practice.
Are you sure..... The USS Cole was almost lost in similar sabotage in 2000. These big signature military pieces are just sitting ducks in the era of AI controlled drones. They will become extinct in the battlefields of the future... just as the dinosaurs could not survive the asteroid impact while the humble cockroach made it simply because of size, immobility and complexity.
Unrelated occurrences, apple and orange comparison.
sapientia: If with all the defense systems in that Ship, it can easily be harassed and destroyed
Forget it, Russia navy is hyped
Wars are based on lies.
It is debatable that Ukraine hit the ship.
Anti-ship missiles like Neptune are sea-skimming and would have hit low on the hull and not on top where the ‘artillery/AA’ are stationed.
And which countries' navies are not hyped?
After all just last year the U.S. lost an entire modern amphibious assault ship, completely burned down via sabotage. U.S. is supposed to be the ‘greatest Navy on earth’, right?
“On 12 July 2020, a fire started on a lower vehicle-storage deck while the ship was undergoing maintenance at Naval Base San Diego. It took four days for firefighters to extinguish the fire, which injured at least 63 sailors and civilians and severely damaged the ship. After a long investigation into the cause of the fire, a sailor was charged with arson. Repairs to the ship were estimated to take up to seven years and cost up to $3.2 billion so the ship was decommissioned on 15 April 2021 and sold for scrap.”
So in short, accidents do happen, things fail: in fact they happen much more in the U.S. Navy than any other navy on the planet. So before anyone raises too many questions on how the Russian navy can suffer an incident during high-stress wartime, then you should first investigate how the U.S. lost over $10-20 billion worth of warships in the past few years alone in peacetime.
And let’s not forget this thing from the infamous crash a few months ago belonged to the Navy as well, when it failed to land on the aircraft carrier:
But tbf to Russia, their military doctrine is majorly defensive and not to project power. They have the military and technical expertise for a mordern navy, but they are not interested. The few warships they have are heavily concentrated for defense of their territorial waters in the Baltic sea and Black sea including their submarines.
So because of the military doctrine that doesn't project power, having multiple warships and Aircraft carriers will be useless. That is why they only have Missiles and fighter jet. All their military R& D is directed majorly toward making faster and deadlier missiles and fighter jets .
Honestly, The way Russia military is structured, they are not even a threat, as regards to world domination. I don't know why USA can't leave Russia's corner of the world(Eastern Europe) to them and stop threatening their security.
The country with the ambition of world domination is China, and strangely, Europe , USA and the likes are not even doing anything about China. The last president that tried to do something about it got shamed out of office. It seems the Chinese has bought the Democratic party.
China's Policies, both economic and Military points to that direction of world domination.
In the economic policies of china, they have the belt and road initiative, currency swap deal for Yuan with a lot of countries.
In their military, China bought an old Soviet Era Aircraft carrier from Russia, as well as old decommissioned Aircraft carriers from the British for studying, they reversed engineered it and built their own first Aircraft carrier. Now they are currently building 2 additional aircraft carriers simultaneously and could be ready in 5 years time. In the next 10 years, we could be having a Chinese military with at least 5 Aircraft carriers.
Now tell me what a country want to use that amount of Aircraft carriers to do, if not to project power, just like the USA presently does with its 11 carriers.
By the time the idiots at Washington wake up to the Chinese reality, it could be too late. But it's Russia who just want to be left alone at their own corner of the continent that they see as a threat.
Let them continue
Let me try to correct some misconceptions;
1. Why it is true that the Russia military posture looks defensive, it is not because they want it so. Russia just doesn't have the economic power like the US and China to pursue rapid military modernisation. For example, the US aircraft carrier USS Gerald Ford will cost the US about 14 billion dollars (the cost will still increase). Russia can't afford to spend that amount on an aircraft carrier. Another example is in defense military budget. The US has a 2022 defense budget of 778 billion dollars while Russia has a 2022 defense budget of 51 billon dollars. Is that the country you expect to spend about 14 billion dollars on aircraft carriers? Even countries like China, India, Saudi Arabia have larger defense budget. So, the plain truth is that Russia doesn't project power because it doesn't have the financial Power to do so.
2. Please, who told you the US is doing nothing about China? Funny enough, the US now regards China as it's number 1 rival, no longer Russia. It's Only unfortunate that this Russia-Ukraine war started now and it shifted US focus to Russia. If not for this war, the US was no longer rating Russia that highly. Their focus in now on China. They are seeing their next war being fought against China. They are restrategising. That is the major reason they pulled out of Afghanistan. Let me show you what Biden has done;
1. The US under Biden, together with the UK and Australia formed the AUKUS so they can help Australia get Nuclear submarines to counter China in the Indo-pacific.
2. They are trying to get India to jettison it's non-aligned military posture and join Nato. The US passed a resolution in 2019 to allow India to have the same status as other Nato allies like Japan, South Korea. These are all because of China.
3. They are expanding their military base in Guam.
4. On the economic front, Biden already unveiled an initiative to counter China's Belt and road plan.
So, forget. That country know their rivals and they are going after them whether the president is a republican or democrat!
Merisbankie: let's see it's a game the way Russia will bounce back ehn kudos to Russians zelensky confirmed mariupol has been taken by Russia forces the way Putin will bounce back ehn and besides y'all celebrating like moskva is the only ship there ....
You lack knowledge ,don't you know the meaning of a flagship. You're just talking foolishly expressing you ignorance rather than informed opinions. Russia knows what they lost,and they will smart for it forever.
Merisbankie: let's see it's a game the way Russia will bounce back ehn kudos to Russians zelensky confirmed mariupol has been taken by Russia forces the way Putin will bounce back ehn and besides y'all celebrating like moskva is the only ship there ....
This makes it painfully obvious that you no too sabi book...and you don't follow the news. Just repeating propaganda.
I love Ukraninas, they said it verbally a few weeks ago, now they said the same thing with their own manufactured Neptune Missiles.
Now they don't have to worry about that Putin's piece of shitt harassing them, it's at the bottom of the Baltic Sea for good..
A few thousand dollars Neptune missiles destroyed a $750 million ship, the pride pf Russia.
The comedian is showing the dumb, idiotic, incompetent and overrated megalomania in Moscow how to fight a war..
Gra gra, pomposity, arrogance and over sabi no be strategy, it's foolishness.
Where are Ukraine's warships all have been sunk or seized by Russia so Ukraine sank one battle ship out of a hundred another will replace it... Russian ships currently control Ukraine's territory so chill
Qadaffi2idiamin: I don't entertain such insults from kindergartens like you. Your brain is functional right?
With your idiotic functional brain, why do you think the US and it's NATO allies would advise against Russia owning a military base in Mexico and Venezuela?
With your useless dysfunctional irredeemable brain, why do you think US will not allow a Russian General lead a peace keeping mission under the United Nations Peace keeping forces covering all parts of member states?
With your stupid psychotic brain, why do you think a deadly cult like NATO would want Ukraine, a nation that shares same values like Russia to be admitted into NATO which gives them the right to build military bases anywhere in Ukraine including its borders with Russia and your irredeemable uneducated mind can't relate with the fact that it's a clear hostility to a former Soviet Federation?
I can go on but your brain is so dysfunctional that you may need a neurosurgeon to remove the rotten mucor inside. Spits!
Cockroach.
Myopic brain thinks everything is about military base....Smh...Why would Russian Neighbors choose the west? A stupid Nigerian man thinks he knows better than Russian Neighbors.
You lack knowledge ,don't you know the meaning of a flagship. You're just talking foolishly expressing you ignorance rather than informed opinions. Russia knows what they lost,and they will smart for it forever.
Oga Russia has other flagship so calm down... Flagship is just a special status given to a ship as the one that commands and controls it's fleet it doesn't mean another ship in that same fleet can't take over if the main one is out of service..
Anti-ship missiles like Neptune are sea-skimming and would have hit low on the hull and not on top where the ‘artillery/AA’ are stationed.
And which countries' navies are not hyped?
After all just last year the U.S. lost an entire modern amphibious assault ship, completely burned down via sabotage. U.S. is supposed to be the ‘greatest Navy on earth’, right?
“On 12 July 2020, a fire started on a lower vehicle-storage deck while the ship was undergoing maintenance at Naval Base San Diego. It took four days for firefighters to extinguish the fire, which injured at least 63 sailors and civilians and severely damaged the ship. After a long investigation into the cause of the fire, a sailor was charged with arson. Repairs to the ship were estimated to take up to seven years and cost up to $3.2 billion so the ship was decommissioned on 15 April 2021 and sold for scrap.”
So in short, accidents do happen, things fail: in fact they happen much more in the U.S. Navy than any other navy on the planet. So before anyone raises too many questions on how the Russian navy can suffer an incident during high-stress wartime, then you should first investigate how the U.S. lost over $10-20 billion worth of warships in the past few years alone in peacetime.
And let’s not forget this thing from the infamous crash a few months ago belonged to the Navy as well, when it failed to land on the aircraft carrier:
There's a difference between accidents and intentional attacks during war and conflicts.
The US ships you listed were involved in accidents, not combat attacks or the destruction of Moskova by the Ukrainians.
Qadaffi2idiamin: I don't entertain such insults from kindergartens like you. Your brain is functional right?
With your idiotic functional brain, why do you think the US and it's NATO allies would advise against Russia owning a military base in Mexico and Venezuela?
With your useless dysfunctional irredeemable brain, why do you think US will not allow a Russian General lead a peace keeping mission under the United Nations Peace keeping forces covering all parts of member states?
With your stupid psychotic brain, why do you think a deadly cult like NATO would want Ukraine, a nation that shares same values like Russia to be admitted into NATO which gives them the right to build military bases anywhere in Ukraine including its borders with Russia and your irredeemable uneducated mind can't relate with the fact that it's a clear hostility to a former Soviet Federation?
I can go on but your brain is so dysfunctional that you may need a neurosurgeon to remove the rotten mucor inside. Spits!
Cockroach.
in all your wisdom can you please explain why every body is running away from Russia
This is Admiral Kuznetsov, Russia's one and only aircraft carrier, it's a worthless piece of junk that smokes all over the place, it spends more time docked than out in the ocean.
oz4real83: Putin would have ended this war long ago, but his ego won't allow him. The failure is too glaring, the world never expected Ukraine to stand any chance against the "Almighty Russia".
Sarsaproko: These Ukrainians try small o.. Just like their boxers, dem tough and no be walk over...
For your info , this ship was built in Mykolaiv in Soviet Ukraine as part of USSR and commissioned in 1979.So it means Ukraine brought her into this world and Ukraine took her out.
You lack knowledge ,don't you know the meaning of a flagship. You're just talking foolishly expressing you ignorance rather than informed opinions. Russia knows what they lost,and they will smart for it forever.
your papa lack knowledge cuz a ship sank Russia has lost lol
ElijahIme1992: Where are Ukraine's warships all have been sunk or seized by Russia so Ukraine sank one battle ship out of a hundred another will replace it... Russian ships currently control Ukraine's territory so chill
I was wondering how this irrelevant and pointless defensive post alters the fact that Ukraine bombed Russian Naval pride, a $750 million ship now at the bottom of the Black sea, sleeping with the fishes?
Stay on topic and learn how to follow simple internet discussion.
Reference: There are only two ways a mighty king will fall from grace, lose his kingdom and his life as well. Either by dying of old age or succumbing to terminal disease, be he an all conquering emperor or a lion in the jungle that no other beast dares.
First it was the age of the mighty naval battleships that met their waterloo in World war 2.... the great German 'Bismarck' and 'Tirpitz' and the mightiest of all, the infamous Japanese colossus, 'Yamato' and her sister 'Musashi', monsters that could pound cities into submission from tens of miles away but ultimately fell to the gnats of dive bombers, torpedo bombers and air mounted cannon fire. By the close of the war even the victorious allies knew their time was up and decommissioned their lots.
Today we are seeing the beginning of the end of the reign of several kings the theater in Ukraine is offering the world of conflict and the industry of armament. A theater that has not been seen since the Second World war for all the conflicts ever since whether America's in Vietnam, The USSR's in Afghanistan, Great Britain's in the Faklands or the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan had been conflicts of i unequals where the lambs challenged the lions to wrestle.
The conflict in Ukraine is one of equals, where capabilities, technologies and resources are more evenly matched and this has exposed the great lions of armament and the great emperors of battlefield technologies as aging and dying of the pestilence of micro and nano technology, artificial intelligence, drones and robotics.
As observed from the first few weeks of this conflict, the first king to abdicate his throne is the mighty battle field tank. The sheer number of million dollar, hitherto 'feared' tanks, AFV's and troop carriers lost in this conflict to 'pocket' devices is just alarming. In those days a soldier in a tank felt safe and ruled the battlefield like a lion the jungle. These days a soldier is safer miles away from any tank..... any tank none of which offers any protection from even the crudest of shoulder launched anti-tank weapons that number in tens of thousands and can be bought literally off the shelf.
Little wonder even the famed US Marine Corps is gradually retiring its tanks even though over 95 percent of the famed M1A1/A2's are still alive and kicking being hyped as indestructible. Wiser heads know better. The king is dying.
Second are the monstrous hulks roaming the high seas, the whales and sharks of the naval superpowers. This week has shown that even cruisers (which are supposed to be the kings of sea self defence can be tackled by a swarm of ebola like drones and taken out bya right hook from behind....
I am sure the United States, the UK, China and France to a lesser degree is watching very. very keenly and wondering if their mighty aircraft carriers they spend tens of billions building and equipping are worth anything when up against not Gaddafi's, Saddam's or Al-Assad's military but one that can actually shoot back....
The king is dead.
God bless you for this. What's happening to Russia in Ukraine van easily happen to US too , if they fight against real military and not terrorist cells. Their aircraft carrier is now vulnerable, Tanks will become useless due to the invention of MAN pads javelin in mordern warfare. So I'm sure they are watching and will make necessary adjustment, so will Russia after the war.
Bifwoli: For your info , this ship was built in Mykolaiv in Soviet Ukraine as part of USSR and commissioned in 1979.So it means Ukraine brought her into this world and Ukraine took her out.
Ukraine was the factory of the USSR. , just like china is currently the factory of the world today. Apple builds all it's iphone in a Chinese factory in china, it doesn't mean that China is the owner of iphone just because it was made there.
it doesn't mean that whatever was built by Ukraine was owned by then. All the USSR strategic military productions were done in Ukraine then. Ukraine to USSR is like Lagos to Nigeria. It's were mist companies sure their factories and headquarters.
Reference: There are only two ways a mighty king will fall from grace, lose his kingdom and his life as well. Either by dying of old age or succumbing to terminal disease, be he an all conquering emperor or a lion in the jungle that no other beast dares.
First it was the age of the mighty naval battleships that met their waterloo in World war 2.... the great German 'Bismarck' and 'Tirpitz' and the mightiest of all, the infamous Japanese colossus, 'Yamato' and her sister 'Musashi', monsters that could pound cities into submission from tens of miles away but ultimately fell to the gnats of dive bombers, torpedo bombers and air mounted cannon fire. By the close of the war even the victorious allies knew their time was up and decommissioned their lots.
Today we are seeing the beginning of the end of the reign of several kings the theater in Ukraine is offering the world of conflict and the industry of armament. A theater that has not been seen since the Second World war for all the conflicts ever since whether America's in Vietnam, The USSR's in Afghanistan, Great Britain's in the Faklands or the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan had been conflicts of i unequals where the lambs challenged the lions to wrestle.
The conflict in Ukraine is one of equals, where capabilities, technologies and resources are more evenly matched and this has exposed the great lions of armament and the great emperors of battlefield technologies as aging and dying of the pestilence of micro and nano technology, artificial intelligence, drones and robotics.
As observed from the first few weeks of this conflict, the first king to abdicate his throne is the mighty battle field tank. The sheer number of million dollar, hitherto 'feared' tanks, AFV's and troop carriers lost in this conflict to 'pocket' devices is just alarming. In those days a soldier in a tank felt safe and ruled the battlefield like a lion the jungle. These days a soldier is safer miles away from any tank..... any tank none of which offers any protection from even the crudest of shoulder launched anti-tank weapons that number in tens of thousands and can be bought literally off the shelf.
Little wonder even the famed US Marine Corps is gradually retiring its tanks even though over 95 percent of the famed M1A1/A2's are still alive and kicking being hyped as indestructible. Wiser heads know better. The king is dying.
Second are the monstrous hulks roaming the high seas, the whales and sharks of the naval superpowers. This week has shown that even cruisers (which are supposed to be the kings of sea self defence can be tackled by a swarm of ebola like drones and taken out bya right hook from behind....
I am sure the United States, the UK, China and France to a lesser degree is watching very. very keenly and wondering if their mighty aircraft carriers they spend tens of billions building and equipping are worth anything when up against not Gaddafi's, Saddam's or Al-Assad's military but one that can actually shoot back....
The king is dead.
I love intelligently constructed, enlightening, well-reasoned and mentally stimulating posts like yours.
Bifwoli: For your info , this ship was built in Mykolaiv in Soviet Ukraine as part of USSR and commissioned in 1979.So it means Ukraine brought her into this world and Ukraine took her out.
