sholay2011:
Interesting.

Also, acknowledging the Sonship of Jesus is at the same time acknowledging the Fatherhood of God. Which was one of the reasons the Pharisees etc. hated Jesus.

And this is the greatest revelation in the bible: JESUS AS THE SON OF GOD. The whole bible is actually about Him. The church is founded on this revelation. This is the revelation you must get to partake in the greatest miracle to happen to man (salvation).

Jesus was once the only begotten Son of the Father. But through Him, we can and have become begotten sons. He is now the first begotten Son, not the only (1 Peter 1:3).

7victor:

Jesus Christ Himself called Himself the Son of God.

After He healed the man who was born blind, He asked the man whether he believed in the Son of God. When the man asked who was the Son of God, Jesus Christ confirmed He was the one.

Even Apostle Peter acknowledged before Jesus Christ that he and other disciples believed that Jesus Christ was the Son of God.


Son of God does not mean that God had intercourse with Mary in order to born Jesus Christ, as one religion like insinuating.

As Christians, we know that Jesus Christ has been the Son of God before He was born on the Earth.



He existed with God His Father before the world was created. He was the Son of God before the world was created.



Everything was created except Jesus Christ.

He is the only thing that was not created.

HE WAS BEGOTTEN, NOT CREATED.


As in, God spoke whatever He wanted and it came into existence. That is what's called creation.


As for Jesus Christ, God brought Him out from His own self. That's what is called "Begotten"


Jesus Christ was begotten, but not created. Just like a woman gave birth to a child, God brought out Jesus Christ from Himself.

Jesus Christ has always been one with His Father until God separated Him just as a baby is separated from the mother by coming out of her womb.


During His last prayers, Jesus Christ asked God to glorify Him with His (God's) own self with the glory He had before the world was created. Although Jesus Christ came out directly from God, He is still one with God.


He said "I and my Father are one.

Share your thoughts on this.

NuclearReactor:
7victor great insight... If i may ask whats the difference between Jesus- The Son of God and any other true christian who the bible acknowledges is a "A Son of God" In other words what's the difference between Jesus- A begotten Son and every other christian who is also a son of God

7victor:

Jesus Christ Himself called Himself the Son of God.

After He healed the man who was born blind, He asked the man whether he believed in the Son of God. When the man asked who was the Son of God, Jesus Christ confirmed He was the one.

Even Apostle Peter acknowledged before Jesus Christ that he and other disciples believed that Jesus Christ was the Son of God.


Son of God does not mean that God had intercourse with Mary in order to born Jesus Christ, as one religion like insinuating.

As Christians, we know that Jesus Christ has been the Son of God before He was born on the Earth.



He existed with God His Father before the world was created. He was the Son of God before the world was created.



Everything was created except Jesus Christ.

He is the only thing that was not created.

HE WAS BEGOTTEN, NOT CREATED.


As in, God spoke whatever He wanted and it came into existence. That is what's called creation.


As for Jesus Christ, God brought Him out from His own self. That's what is called "Begotten"


Jesus Christ was begotten, but not created. Just like a woman gave birth to a child, God brought out Jesus Christ from Himself.

Jesus Christ has always been one with His Father until God separated Him just as a baby is separated from the mother by coming out of her womb.


During His last prayers, Jesus Christ asked God to glorify Him with His (God's) own self with the glory He had before the world was created. Although Jesus Christ came out directly from God, He is still one with God.


He said "I and my Father are one.

Share your thoughts on this.

haekymbahd:
Maybe you explain why he also called himself son of Man



Both son of God and son of Man are both metaphorical....

7victor:


The thing is that the Israelites believe that the judge of the world must be a man and the saviour must be God Himself.

In order to get a saviour who is also a judge, the person must be a God and a man.
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7victor:


That is why Jesus Christ was born through a human being while still retaining His God nature. .

7victor:

So He was both the Son of man (so that He can judge the world) and the Son of God so that He can save the world.

He is the Son of man because He came through man. God gave Him authority to judge the world because He is the Son of man.
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7victor:

7victor post=111993540:

1 Tim 3:16, Apostle Paul wrote that God was manifest in the flesh. That is: God came as a human being.
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So He was both the only begotten Son of God and the Son of man.

Also, so many times, Jesus Christ was called God and the Son of God. He accepted it because He knew that is who He is.

Thomas called Him "my Lord and my God"

Nathanael called Him "The Son of God, the king of Israel"

In 1 Tim 3:16, Apostle Paul wrote that God was manifest in the flesh.


So Jesus Christ was God who came in the flesh as a human being.


If Thomas, John and every apostle who were with Him, called Him God, who am I to say otherwise?

How can someone come 2000 years later to say He is not God?

It's like someone coming 2000 years from today to say that Jonathan was never a president in Nigeria.


It is better to believe those who lived when Jonathan was the president rather than believe someone who is arguing over what happened 2000 years before he was born.


So I would rather believe the apostles who lived when Jesus Christ lived, rather than believe someone who come many years later to argue on something he doesn't even know much about .

Janosky:


Colossians 1:15 Jesus Christ is a creature.
God's first born of all Creation.
Christendom DUBIOUSLY put " OVER " in Colossians 1:15, the word "OVER" is NOT in any Greek manuscript.

Romans 11:35-36, Jesus Christ came through his Father.

Colossians 1:15 & Romans 11:35-36 proven Christendom's fraud of "not Created."

7victor:


That verse you are quoting also says that Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God. It also says that by Jesus Christ all things were created.

It shows you that Jesus Christ is God because God is invisible and any time He makes Himself visible, He comes as Jesus Christ.


That's why He is called the image of the invisible God.

Image of something. You cannot see the something but you see it's image.

Also the verse says that by Jesus Christ were all things created.

It shows you that He is God because He created all things.

It is only God who can create. If it is acknowledged that He created all things, it shows He is God.


The thing is this, if I create somethings in my room. The knowledge to create those things is from God. The things I created are also the creation of God because God gave me the idea on how to create those things. Let's say I create some plates for my personal use. Those plates can say it's God who created them. And they are correct because God creates something through another thing.

If I create a car, I know everything about the car. If the car needs maintenance or any help, I am the one who will provide it. So to the car, I am God.

Infact, every intelligent being is a creator. As human beings, we have created so many things for our use.



The same thing is with Jesus Christ. Everything was created by Him and for Him. God created everything through him.

That was why even while on the Earth, Jesus Christ was able to create things like new eyes by using sand and His saliva.


Every intelligent being can create something according to his ability and wisdom. Everything so created is from God. But the Creator of all things is God the Father because the ability to design and create things is from God.


That is how Jesus Christ created all things.



There is an ancient belief that demiurge created all things. It used the Knowledge God gave him to create everything including human beings. It didn't know that there was a God somewhere who gave him the ability to create.

He thought he was the only one who existed before he created things. One day, God appeared to him and made him realize that it was He who gave him the ability to create all things.


He started worshipping God.


Even ancient people seem to realize that there was a being who created all things by the power and knowledge of God.


As Christians, we recognize that being (who created all things) as Jesus Christ. But it was by the power and wisdom of God, His Father.

Janosky:

Jesus Christ is not the God, his Father,John 5:37, na him talk am.

Jesus retained his God nature yet has no idea of Matthew 24:36
God wet no know Matthew 24:36

Jesus Christ is not God. Never !!

Agreed.


1 Timothy 3:16, Greek "Hos" (He/Who) is not Theos.
Your Trinity mentors DUBIOUSLY put "God" in verse 16 of 1 Timothy chapter 3.

John20:28 in all Bibles ends with exclamation sign (!),showing surprise when you say "oh my God!"
John 20:18-27, Thomas did not believe in Jesus resurrected until verse 28 when he touched Jesus Christ & exclaimed!

Did you read John 20:17?
Did Jesus Christ say Thomas referred to Jesus?

Definitely not.
John 20:17 Jesus Christ rebuked the false claim of Trinity devotees in verse 28.

7victor:


You are a Jehovah witness. I am not surprised. The scripture has been around for nearly 2000 years.

One day, not up to 100 years ago, one man came and started changing some things written in the Bible.

He changed everything that shows that Jesus Christ is the Son of God/God.

He then formed it into a book which is now what Jehovah witness uses as their bible..


But your bible is adulterated. It is different from the Bible which has been in existence since and by which thousands of people throughout the centuries have been saved.


That your founder cannot come few years ago and be lying about something which has been in existence since the time of the Apostles.


There is a belief that he wanted to start a group which will be different from other Christians because he wanted a group just like there are Lutheran, Methodist, etc.

So he sat down in his room and began to go through the Bible changing things.

Infact, he is one of the few people on Earth who have falsely altered things in a large scale without any form of scholarship or research.

Infact, everyone who is a researcher knows that the man's book which he calls a " bible" is the most manipulative abuse of freedom.

He just sat down and change things so unashamedly without any research or scholarship.


It is such a shame.

Janosky:

Oga,you are typing gibberish & exposing your ignorance.

Greek Theo's mean "a god /God."
The same thing in John 1:1 of new world translation & Emphatic Diaglott & 14 other Bibles is the same thing in your own Bible at Acts 12:22-23.

Those 15 Bibles gave the correct translations of John 1:1.
Oga, go & learn, I have given you 2 examples to help you.

Stop deceiving yourself.