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Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by loswhite(m): 8:16am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Shoodboi:It is obvious that you don't even know the origin of the crisis. Ukrainians wanted to join European Union. Victor Yanukovych Rejected The Ukrainian-European agreement and he was ousted due to protest in 2014...They wanted to join European Union and they only decided and made it a priority to join NATO after Russia Annexed Crimea. Obviously the noise about NATO has made alot of you to think this is about NATO... If Ukraine decide to be Neutral and ask Russia to return Annexed territories then you will know that this is about land Grabbing. 2 Likes |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by bkool7(m): 8:17am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Claims of joining NATO is just a ploy by Putin to invade Ukraine I just don't understand why that is hard to comprehend. This is a Putin that signed a pact never to attack Ukraine if they give up their nuclear weapons. The real question is why are all Russia's neighbours looking for protection but Russia don't want them to have that protection? Shoodboi: |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by ken045501: 8:24am On Apr 18, 2022 |
i cant wait for Ukraine army to act and remove zelenskyy as the president, hes foolish.. this is not how to protect your people.. Americans bringing weapons to them to fight and kill them self's. they know what they are doing. this people are bad 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by Masterkernel1: 8:30am On Apr 18, 2022 |
wolesmile: He couldn't have kept it secret, because its a open discussion between NATO member states, obviously it's not secret. Secondly, Germany became highest economy 30 years after World War II, I don't think you'll allow a man like you beat up your wife and you'll quite because he's stronger than you. |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by Udemzy05: 8:34am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Guyman02: Trash post. |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by lanre316: 8:34am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Utanisco: The fool is adamant because his family member haven't yet been killed in this senseless war. He is sending his citizens to certain death and forming online hero. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by History555: 8:35am On Apr 18, 2022 |
plaindealer: Really, Ukraine has all these technologies u listed, can do all these tins u listed, yet did not do it since it broke free from soviet union. 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by richeeyo(m): 8:36am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Shoodboi:Thats wrong of u |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by Bigchristo: 8:40am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Splendor27:See how you open mouth yarn rubbish full ground, NATO will wipe out Russia within 24hrs, is like you forgot that Russia has the Nuclear warhead that’s bigger than both US and NATO in combine go research for yourself and stop being stupid, The war so far has been coordinated by US and NATO in combine supplying weapons to fight a single country yet they’re not winning the proxy war if Russia allies team up and start assisting Russia it’s finished for US and NATO that’s why they’re pressuring and recruiting other nations like China and India not to have any dealings with Russia, let me also remind you that nobody wins in Nuclear war we all die… Dey there Dey clap for those idiots using the peace of the world to play all in the name of political gain. |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by Nobody: 8:53am On Apr 18, 2022 |
bkool7: Putin never signed any pact with Ukraine. Russia did. And it signed the same deal with Belarus and Kazakhstan who gave up their nukes. Also, Ukraine (and these other countries) did not have control over the weapons as the launch codes were with Russia. So the nukes were more or less useless unless they found a way to get the codes from Russia. 14 ex-Soviet states (including a few sharing borders with Russia) have joined NATO so it's false to assume that Russia has issues with ex-Soviet states joining NATO. However, Russia has issues with Ukraine and Georgia joining because they share large land borders with Russia. And Ukraine's case is worse because it controls Russia's access to the Black Sea (Russia has limited access to the ocean) and can block ships from exporting stuff out of Russia. Russia's other access to the ocean are in the North Sea which is frozen for most time of the year. Asides that, Ukraine is super-close to Moscow. Kyiv to Moscow is a 1 hr 15 min flight, and the flight would be shorter when undertaken at some location closer to the Russian border. Now, imagine NATO (which was founded with the sole purpose of invading the Soviet Union) keeping military hardware, aircraft, and soldiers, right at those borders? 4 Likes |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by plaindealer: 9:12am On Apr 18, 2022 |
History555: Your comment is too elementary for me to waste my time on. Your username is history and you know nothing about history, sad irony. 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by Nobody: 9:13am On Apr 18, 2022 |
loswhite: From NATO's website, you can see that Ukraine joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council (which was formed by NATO to bring the former Soviet states other than Russia into NATO) in 1991. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm#:~:text=Dialogue%20and%20cooperation%20started%20when,for%20Peace%20programme%20(1994). At the same time, EU's website here shows that Ukraine first established trade relations with the EU three years later in 1994. (Mind you, it didn't talk about joining the EU). https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/2672-euukraine-partnership-and-cooperation-agreement So why was (and is) Ukraine more interested in joining the military NATO and not the economic EU? Ukriane didn't join NATO because Germany and France repeatedly refused its membership as it shares a large land border with Russia, controls Russia's access to the Black sea, and is of course, too close to Moscow. Kyiv to Moscow is 1hr 15mins and it'd be much shorter if a plane takes off closer to the border. Meanwhile, US and UK continued urging it to reapply and even lobbied other EU countries to allow its membership, which they all did -- except of course, Germany and France. Ukraine only started trying to join EU after its NATO bid failed and it was clearly a ploy to join the EU first and then, NATO afterwards. The Yanukovych you talked about wanted a neutral Ukraine that was neither here nor there, and the protests you talked about happened after he refused to sign an agreement to bring Ukraine into the EU. Russia claimed NATO funded the protests, NATO denied it, and Ukraine became a madhouse. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by frog12: 9:26am On Apr 18, 2022 |
did the US lobby libya, syria, afghanistan and iraq? THEY launch missiles everywhere with jets and ships on iraq, libya and afghanistan. Saddam Hussein is dead by hanging, Gaddafi is killed like a FISH, and those are entirely different country. you were blaming Russia but forget NATO/US did the same. look if you no fit fight giant, you compromise with the giant. that's the problem with Zelensky. you think he go don learn from wetin happen to all the other leaders I mention, but he no wan learn. at the end, if this continues, Ukraine go look worse than Syria or Yemen Do you have any BRAIN at all Wazobia2216: 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by bakar007: 9:39am On Apr 18, 2022 |
plaindealer: No one stop UKRAINE from joining EU from day one rather it EU rejecting UKRAINE for over 8years now. 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by yinkeys(m): 9:50am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Bluntguy:Russia can’t. They could only have Eastern Ukraine. People don’t realize this but NATO is in this war. They are heavily funding the Ukrainian people Aiding them with money, loads of modern warfare artillery & strategy. The only thing NATO isn’t engaging in is sending over troops. The battle ground to fight Russia is Ukrainian soil. These allies never really gave a damn about human lives & properties. It’s all about power, control. Hopefully it doesn’t get to the use of nuclear weapons. NATO & EU will help Ukraine rebuild once this is over. They’re using modern drones to knock out those frightening and less effective 20th century Russian tanks. |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by adebayo987: 9:56am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Bluntguy:The retreating Russia or which one are you talking about? |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by Proudlyomonna: 10:03am On Apr 18, 2022 |
bkool7: Bcus Russia is an aggressor and a land grabbing bitch,who doesn't wants them to have any sort of defense when they come doing their normal normal. Which is to take and suppress the will of their own neighbors. |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by yinkeys(m): 10:03am On Apr 18, 2022 |
loswhite:The ancient chess game powerful men always played In the power dynamics, 3 things made up Alpha men/rulers 1. Conquering lands 2. Resources 3. Access to virgins. Russian empire would argue they’ve been land grabbing because NATO had been expanding eastwards for ages now & Moscow felt threatened If you look at the NATO map 22 years ago & how they’ve expanded today you’d see reasons why Russia government is uneasy People would argue that NATO was solely created in 1949 to fight Moscow Men like Putin in ancient times eventually get murdered. One man controlling so much land & resources |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by TenQ: 10:06am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Bluntguy:Don't forget that Russia ran out of Kieve |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by SolomonGrandi: 10:17am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Wazobia2216: Wetin America, UK and EU dey do? 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by hayzed19(m): 10:33am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Russia has no objections to Ukraine joining the European Union if it pledges not to join NATO. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by bkool7(m): 11:29am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Shoodboi: I've taken time to bold some false comments you made. Those I'll address. Of cos Russia has issues with ex USSR that don't act it's script or it's friendly with the West. As long as you act the script Putin hands over - you're good. Examples is Belarus. It's the only state Putin is not threatening and we all know they're his dummies. NATO was the aftermath of the WW2. Democratic nations had to form an alliance to overpower future dictators like Hilter. Even Russia made attempt at joining NATO but could not meet the requirements .So NATO wasn't primarily an alliance to attack Russia but to defend against evil and non Democratic tyrants. It's just a coincidence that Putin is a tyrant . Russia's neighbours started taken shelter in NATO when Russia started invading some of them. Since Russia has become a predator, they went to NATO, NATO did not come to them.
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Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by BigYash: 11:39am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Felixamos:No mind that idiot.. He think say na he terrorist darling daddy matter them dey talk there. Mumu zombie.. 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by B2Bmen: 11:43am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Bigchristo:and u think say peace dey the world right now. Only NATO can take care of Russia |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by loswhite(m): 11:44am On Apr 18, 2022 |
yinkeys:The simple question is why are Russian Neighbors choosing the west? |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by yinkeys(m): 11:47am On Apr 18, 2022 |
loswhite:Money, corporations, democracy Corporations run America Putin is a dictator lol He only understands the use of force & fear Whereas the other can go economic, use force or be diplomatic to get what they want. They’d prefer multinationals to one man in the Kremlin that frightens them regularly 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by Nobody: 12:08pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
bkool7: Using the same logic, wouldn't I be correct if I say ex-Soviet states that joined NATO are acting out on a script by the US? There is no record of Putin (or Russia) giving anyone any script but there are records of the US urging ex-Soviet states to join NATO. This started right after the fall of the Soviet Union when the US created the North Atlantic Cooperation Council to act as the first step to getting ex-Soviet states (other than Russia, which was the major bloc in the Soviet Union, and considered the successor of the Soviet Union) into NATO. Also, lots of ex-Soviet states have super-good relations with Russia, so I don't understand why you're fingering Belarus and making it appear as if every ex-Soviet state hates Russia or want to join NATO. bkool7: Again, I'll take you to this quote from NATO's website: It is often said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was founded in response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union. This is only partially true. In fact, the Alliance’s creation was part of a broader effort to serve three purposes: deterring Soviet expansionism, forbidding the revival of nationalist militarism in Europe through a strong North American presence on the continent, and encouraging European political integration.[/b] The boldened is the main reason why NATO was founded. You should understand that WWII stripped the UK, Japan, and France of their superpower status, leaving US and the Soviet Union as the two economic and military superpowers left. And both were trying to spread their ideologies throughout the world in their bid to expand and win more influence. The US spread capitalism while the Soviets spread communism. It was this communism the US was trying to counter with NATO. And we see that through the Cold War and series of physical wars that occurred in the late mid to late 20th and even early 21st centuries, capitalism spread, making the US richer and the Soviet Union and other Communist states poorer as a result, leading to its collapse. Now, regarding the Soviet Union wanting to join NATO, the Soviets thought NATO was founded to stop another war in Europe (as US told everyone at the time) without realizing it was formed to counter their influence. They soon found out though, leading them to be wary of the association. You also need to understand that UK and France planned to invade the Soviet Union during WWII until of course, Germany invaded France, leading the UK and whatever was left of the French military to focus on fighting Germany. (Germany would later invade the Soviet Union too, dragging it into the war). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pike The US and UK were still interested in invading the Sovieet Union and even drew up plans, but abandoned them because the Soviet Union was too powerful. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable And why do they hate the Soviet Union so much? Because Russia negotiated a surrender with Germany during WWI, leaving the American, French, and British to continue fighting the war. Russia didn't leave the war because it wanted to. It left because its rulers were overthrown during a revolution and the new rulers were not interested in continuing the war. https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/sovi.html |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by Bigchristo: 12:09pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
B2Bmen:Russia is too big for them to handle, I wish they can do it they would have deployed troops and weapons to Earsten Europe and run Russia down like they do to other smaller countries, There’s still peace now as we speak when e boil me and you nor go see chance take enter news blog 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by Benny6944: 12:10pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
Bigchristo: Your so daft, senseless and ignorant. WHO DOESN'T KNOW NATO WON'T ATTACK RUSSIA FIRST UNTIL RUSSIA TRIGGERS. IF RUSSIA WERE THAT STRONG WHAT MADE THEM NOT TO HIT D LEAST NATO NATO THEN SEE RESPONSE FROM US ALONE. OP. GO AND READ HOW USA SAVE RUSSIA from BEING DESTROYED BY HITLER IN WWII. WWII COSTS 80M DEATHS. WITH LESSER population FROM EACH COUNTRY, NOW THINK OF IF WWIII SHOULD START, ITS PREDICAMENTS. HOW MANY COUNTRY CAN RUSSIA TAKE DOWN? LOL... WHO IS GONNA HELP THEM? CHINA AND NORTH KOREA LOL.. |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by dappydozzy(m): 12:18pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
Felixamos: He may have come out openly to declare that, but that is not how it is done in international law, there has to be a complete ratification of the Minsk agreement by the country's legislation and an amendment of the country's constitution to state it's neutrality to any multi national military alliance. |
Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by Searchingvictor: 12:21pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
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Re: Ukraine Completes Questionnaire For EU Membership by Bigchristo: 12:23pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
Benny6944:You’re just too senseless, Russia is not interested in hitting NATO country the only thing they want for their Neighboring countries to be neutral because there’s an agreement on ground which banned NATO from expanding their territories to Eastern Europe, even the US you’re talking about won’t allow it Neighboring countries to join any military alliance with it enemies and unfriendly countries, remember what happened to Cuba when they were getting nuclear supplies from Russia? You’re talking about world war how Russia was rescued by the US, let me remind you that we are in 21 century where the world has far developed from Stone Age to digital world technology has advanced even building of Nukes has far developed than anyone can imagine trying to bully any countries, Russia is not a push over country they’re the major rivals to the US even in cold wars and everything arm sales crude oil and gas sales with other resources Russia is also rich. 1 Like 1 Share |
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