Jesus Christ says in Matthew 25:41, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels." In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

The big question here is Did God Really Create Hell Fire?

As we are meant to understand everything originated from God the Devil was created as Lucifer. Everything was good.
So where did evil emanated from?
Did God created Hell?
Is Hell part of God's architecture or it exist in another realm?
Will all souls in Hell be saved at last?

Please if you are led by the spirit give us some insight.

4tomandchi:
...The big question here is Did God Really Create Hell Fire?

Do you not know that every time a creation is made, the Creator too must make a machine or device which can destroy that creation, exactly as we have crushers and incinerators for our cars and furnace for our spoons, bottles etc?

4tomandchi:
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As we are meant to understand everything originated from God the Devil was created as Lucifer. Everything was good.
So where did evil emanated from?

1) Acid is good in the hands of battery makers but it is evil in the hands of prostitute.s

2) God has a thing for FIRST, both for blessings and for curses and obviously Satan is the first person to have fallen out of line, hence he was cursed to be evil.

And he, like a prostitu te unauthorisingly uses evil beyonds it's lawful use.

4tomandchi:
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Will all souls in Hell be saved at last?

There is no saving in eternal destruction, when a thing is thrown into the fire, it can never be saved..

Waiting

4tomandchi:
Jesus Christ says in Matthew 25:41, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels." In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

The big question here is Did God Really Create Hell Fire?

As we are meant to understand everything originated from God the Devil was created as Lucifer. Everything was good.
So where did evil emanated from?
Did God created Hell?
Is Hell part of God's architecture or it exist in another realm?
Will all souls in Hell be saved at last?

Please if you are led by the spirit give us some insight.

Nothing like hellfire. If a person dies believing they will go to hellfire, sure they will because their mind is that powerful to create it but it won't be long, they'll be reborn into this planet with no memory of their previous life.

SocialJustice:
Nothing like hellfire. If a person dies believing they will go to hellfire, sure they will because their mind is that powerful to create it but it won't be long, they'll be reborn into this planet with no memory of their previous life.

Imagine, Yaris is telling Corolla that Mr.Toyoda does not have an incinerator!

What a wishful thinking.

Dtruthspeaker:


Imagine, Yaris is telling Corolla that Mr.Toyoda does not have an incinerator!

What a wishful thinking.

Isn't it crazy that some of you believe God created spirits so that at the end of a short earthly life, He can roast them in fire for eternity? You are free to believe what you want but let me tell you, you will keep being reincarnated on this earth until you attain enlightenment.

Jesus had such a strong message to share but was careful to conceal it in parables and people like you who form the bulk of poorly informed Christians miss His point completely.

Everybody is on their own journey.

4tomandchi:
Jesus Christ says in Matthew 25:41, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels." In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

The big question here is Did God Really Create Hell Fire?

As we are meant to understand everything originated from God the Devil was created as Lucifer. Everything was good.
So where did evil emanated from?
Did God created Hell?
Is Hell part of God's architecture or it exist in another realm?
Will all souls in Hell be saved at last?

Please if you are led by the spirit give us some insight.

Not all souls will be saved. Hell simply means the grave. According to Jesus's word at John 5:28&29, some will be raised from dead and live forever on earth while the others will be destroyed.

Fire in biblical sense symbolises destruction. Fire consumes anything it contacts.

So for the people that would be thrown into the fire, it means they would be destroyed forever. They'll cease to exist and never live again.

There's no where in the Bible you would see "Hellfire" or "hell fire".

If there is anything like hell fire at all, it is the sun

SocialJustice:
Isn't it crazy that some of you believe God created spirits so that at the end of a short earthly life, He can roast them in fire for eternity?

No different from us keeping our machines and fires to destroy any corrolla and Camry and mannequins which messes up and deem it not fit to live.

SocialJustice:

You are free to believe what you want but let me tell you, you will keep being reincarnated on this earth until you attain enlightenment.

Same as you. Funny how you have never re-incarnated your own creations after their death yet you entertain a hope of repeated living

What a wish!

SocialJustice:

Everybody is on their own journey.

We are already on our journeys.

Nothing Like Hell! When religious leaders failed in their effort to teach moral conducts they invented ideology of hellfire to scared people to do what is right. Well, Adam and Eve are the first Humans who directly sinned against God, they deliberately violated God's law. Did Adam and Eve go to Hell? Absolutely no, they were simply told in Genesis 3:19 that they would die and returns to the ground. That is true for all humans today, they are made from dust and simply returns there. Humans are not immortal, their soul never leaves their body behind and travel to elsewhere after death. If God could not turned Adam and Eve to hell, why will he do that to Adam's offspring who simply inherited their sin?

Why is it that the Bible users can't all agree on something?

Hell!

JW- No hell.

Most others- Hell, Yeah!

Trinity!

JW and Unitarian Christians - No to trinity!

Majority others- Trinity! Yeah!

Tithe! And what not!

Yes He did.

However he'll fire was created for human beings, but for disobedient angels like Lucifer, Shephall, Azazel etc...

However human beings have decided to go the way of Satan and the fallen angels, hence they'd be with their father the Devil

Yes, he created hell and evil itself.

4tomandchi:
Jesus Christ says in Matthew 25:41, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels." In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

The big question here is Did God Really Create Hell Fire?

As we are meant to understand everything originated from God the Devil was created as Lucifer. Everything was good.
So where did evil emanated from?
Did God created Hell?
Is Hell part of God's architecture or it exist in another realm?
Will all souls in Hell be saved at last?

Please if you are led by the spirit give us some insight.

The everlasting fire you referenced isn't hell rather it is the lake of fire. Hell is the military cantonement and torture camp of satan. Hell is the location of satan's dominion HQ before the death and resurrection of Jesus. After Jesus died he recieved the keys to death and hell (Revelations 1:18). Now where did Jesus have to go to forcefully receive these keys of authority over death and hell. He had to descend into hell itself (Ephesians 4:7-10) which is a spiritual dimension beneath the earth. A section of hell was a waiting place where satan trapped the souls of the saints that suffered the corruption of death (this excludes Elijah, Enoch and all those not mentioned that did not taste of death). When Jesus died and descended into hell, He set the trapped saints free and that was the first resurrection, the first fruits of the Lord Jesus (Matthew 27:52-53). So hell is not a place of God's judgment it is a place of satan's dominion, a demonic military formation, a torture camp for the lost souls and an entrapment for the souls of the saints. However with the death and resurrection of Jesus, the dominion over hell was seized by the Lord Jesus.

The place of judgment of the Lord Jesus is the lake of fire prophesied in Matthew 25:41. The anti Christ and the false prophet will be thrown into that fire (Revelations 19:20). satan will be thrown into that fire (Revelations 20:10). Hell itself will be thrown into that fire (Revelations 20:14)...and all those who reject the love of Jesus will cast into that fire when Jesus, sitting on a great white throne, will judge the nations (Revelations 21:8 ). No demon will torment anyone in the lake fire because the fire will torment every of its inhabitants including demons.

Hell is satan's creation after the fall of man and the loss of man's dominion but the Lake of fire is the creation of God for satan, his angels and all those who reject the love of the Lord Jesus Christ.

AntiChristian:
Why is it that the Bible users can't all agree on something?

Hell!

JW- No hell.

Most others- Hell, Yeah!

Trinity!

JW and Unitarian Christians - No to trinity!

Majority others- Trinity! Yeah!

Tithe! And what not!

Because they all write about supernatural phenomena which many have little or no experience about and hence rely on anecdotal evidence, stories, supernatural deception, fables etc. The truth is in the spirit. That is why Jesus said the words i speak to you are "spirit and they are life". If you can peer into the supernatural dimension and investigate from there you will find the truth and it is that truth that can set one free.

Amotolongbo:
If there is anything like hell fire at all, it is the sun

So every star in the cosmos is hell fire!?

SocialJustice:
Nothing like hellfire. If a person dies believing they will go to hellfire, sure they will because their mind is that powerful to create it but it won't be long, they'll be reborn into this planet with no memory of their previous life.

This assumes that humans exists in some form after death and before reincarnation. Do you know what this form is like? When you are in this form what is consciousness like? The cycle of rebirth or reincarnation assumes that life can continue indefinitely but we all know (from the Abrahamic religions to cosmology) that the universe itself has an expiry date so tell me how you address that?

SocialJustice:
Isn't it crazy that some of you believe God created spirits so that at the end of a short earthly life, He can roast them in fire for eternity? You are free to believe what you want but let me tell you, you will keep being reincarnated on this earth until you attain enlightenment.

Jesus had such a strong message to share but was careful to conceal it in parables and people like you who form the bulk of poorly informed Christians miss His point completely.

Everybody is on their own journey.

You answered well. This people are so brainwashed that even the root meaning of many words they think they know is not the same as what they made them believe it is. Hell whatever they think it means is after judgement of the world. Nobody even the devil is there now. Its not even a place of fire.
People die and RIP( Reincarnate if Possible) to attain enlightment if they didn't discover themselves in their previous life. It continues untill the time for judgement of the world. Reincarnation are chances God gave man to discover themselves and make things right before He judges the world - the problem here is that non will remember anything about their past life untill they begin to seek. They will even be getting dreams and visions of it but will not understand. This is why the Christ man said forgive untill 7*7 which means infinity. God will keep forgiving us until that last day. We also should forgive others untill that day. It does not mean that one won't face the consequences for his/her actions.

Am tired of explaining to this people. Let them remain in their ignorance. What will happen to the world soon will shock them, it will expose the lies in their religion, it will end religion and establish the true Way which has nothing to do with religions of confusion but righteousness

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efficiencie:


So every star in the cosmos is hell fire!?

For our planet, it is sun. I don’t know for the other planet

bobestman:


You answered well. This people are so brainwashed that even the root meaning of many words they think they know is not the same as what they made them believe it is. Hell whatever they think it means is after judgement of the world. Nobody even the devil is there now. Its not even a place of fire.
People die and RIP( Reincarnate if Possible) to attain enlightment if they didn't discover themselves in their previous life. It continues untill the time for judgement of the world. Reincarnation are chances God gave man to discover themselves and make things right before He judges the world - the problem here is that non will remember anything about their past life untill they begin to seek. They will even be getting dreams and visions of it but will not understand. This is why the Christ man said forgive untill 7*7 which means infinity. God will keep forgiving us until that last day. We also should forgive others untill that day. It does not mean that one won't face the consequences for his/her actions.

Am tired of explaining to this people. Let them remain in their ignorance. What will happen to the world soon will shock them, it will expose the lies in their religion, it will end religion and establish the true Way which has nothing to do with religions of confusion but righteousness

Bro, keep moving towards enlightenment. The process when a person dies is in the last 40 seconds when all their lifetimes and life on earth is played to them in fast-forward. This is the last chance a person gets to get into what is referred to as heaven. A state of bliss. Those who refuse to believe in this last 40 seconds end up in hell or hellfire depending on their state of mind before they are sent to a womb to be born again. Time does not apply to the spirit realm so a person maybe reborn in as early as 48 hours after death or 10,000 years later. Time is only bound to the physical.

What most people do not realise is ascended masters like Jesus, Mary, Samson, Elijah and so on are constantly visiting earth and trying to help from the spirit realm and physically.

TB Joshua is most likely an ascended master, I say so because he mastered his environment and could manipulate it at a very high level, the other most prominent one is Babaji who was not born by a woman and when his work was completed, he passed on.

efficiencie:


This assumes that humans exists in some form after death and before reincarnation. Do you know what this form is like? When you are in this form what is consciousness like? The cycle of rebirth or reincarnation assumes that life can continue indefinitely but we all know (from the Abrahamic religions to cosmology) that the universe itself has an expiry date so tell me how you address that?

You are a spirit and not your body. What you call life and body is a loan from this earth. When your loan expires or you misuse the loan and die untimely, you immediately repay the loan back to the earth and go to heaven or hell before being reborn if you can choose.

You are an eternal god, because you were created by God taking a part of Itself and placing it in a womb. Your spirit is exactly like God, it has no earthly discretion, tribe, sex, religion and like God it has the power to manifest on earth whatever it desires.

When a person is born, they retain the memories of their past lives until they are 4 at most, then they start forgetting and taking on the memory of their body, identifying with their body and environment. The memory of the spirit that contains memory of all past lives is only reactivated when a person leaves their earthly body. A person needs to access that memory while they are alive and be conscious when they leave their body. Even if a person can not access their spirit memory while they are on earth, if they are conscious of being a spirit and realising when they leave earth, life does not stop, it continues depending on their state of mind. It goes a long way.

When you go to sleep every night and have a dream, you in that dream is something you can call your spirit but that is not your god nature, it is also physical. You have 4 bodies in your body. I say body to make it easy to understand. Your physical body, mental body, energy body and bliss body. Your bliss body is the power of God in you.

It is your energy body you see in your dream and when you go to bed every night, your energy body leaves your physical body unconsciously and experiences what is out there. When your energy body returns to your physical body, it could lose the memory of the experience it just had. If it does not lose the memory, you remember your dream. You can become conscious in your dream and visit others that are also asleep this is called lucid dreaming. You will never forget your dreams again if you can lucid dream.

We are always projecting one form of our body or the other. When you sit in a place quietly but having conversations in your head, your are utilising your mental and energy bodies.

The bliss body, the power of God in us. It does not dwell in a filthy place. It is 100% spirit. When the Bible says cleanliness is next to godliness, it was referring to cleanliness in all bodies not just the physical. To manifest your bliss body, you need to become very conscious and realise whatever life throws at you is only an experience and you reserve the right to react in a pleasant way. When you are always pleasant. Gradually, depending on how disconnected your earthly bodies are from your bliss body, it gradually moves closer until it unites fully with the physical bodies and the person evolves to a new level of spirituality. A person in unison with their bliss body is always happy, their faith is 100% and it never wavers. There is no doubt in their spirit of their ability to manifest whatever they want in the physical. Good health is theirs, they never lack. The Bible and Jesus talks so much about these things but the church and Christians are so lost.

There is nothing like reincarnation but know that you are a spirit. The earth is like an amusement Park for spirits. The problem is when they come here, if the society does not nurture them to remember and know they are eternal spirits, they lose their spirit memory and never reconnect with their spirit memory until they leave their physical body.

When a person dies, they go to either heaven or hell or hellfire created by their mind while they are on earth. Like, we literally judge ourselves and decide to go to hell or heaven or heaven, these places are not a physical location, it is a state of mind. From that state of hell or even, a lot of things come into play to decide if the person is reborn or they may stay here on earth living a confused life. Those are called ghosts and if their karma is strong, they can be seen with the phycal eyes. As our physical bodies have evolved to this level of intelligence, our spirits are also evolving.

A highly evolved spirit is called an ascended master and they exist in all religions. Christian ascended masters are Jesus, Mary, Elijah, Moses, Melchizedek-this is probably the first time Jesus came to earth, he manifested a physical body, collected tithe and dematerialised. Shiva of the Hindu religion is probably the oldest of ascended masters, Buddha, Babaji are ascended masters. They are very many and work with a single purpose, and that is for every spirit to attain enlightenment and become one with God consciously.

Being an ascended master is the wish of God for all of us. There is an ascended master network out there, always willing to help beings that are evolving spiritually.

Like I said, we are spirits, we do not need the physical cosmos to exist because there is a bigger cosmos out there that can not be perceived by the physical neither can it be destroyed. As we speak it is already existing along with our physical universe.

The physical cosmos came into existence from the spirit realm with the big bang. Physical matter makes only 5% what is in existence, the other 95% because scientists do not understand it, is called dark matter and dark energy. Dark matter is the manifestation of the spirit in the physical, it is everywhere. That is the stuff from which the physical cosmos was created and it contains the most matter and energy known to man.

Humanity needs to evolve fast from just being unconscious, impulsive beings to a conscious society. We need to become a society of enlightened beings because only then does our life truly start, there's so so much out there to experience and there's the final stage of being an ascended master.

Everything that God created in the physical moves in cycles. Look at the tiniest proton to our planet, Sun and our galaxy. They are all moving in cycles. Because we have a physical body, we also move in cycles but humans are the only thing God created with the power to choose and break the cycle but see the rubbish lives, we are living.

In the entire planet, enlightened beings are less than 1% of the population. The harvest is plenty but labourers are few. Even today they are so few.

I forgot to mention. Humans are not the only intelligent creations of God. Ascended masters have access to all human like civilisations and can choose to be reborn in any civilisation they like. Not just earth.

It is plain stupidity, pride and ignorance that makes humanity believe we are the only intelligent creations of God when hydrogen, the building block of life is the most abundant element in the universe. Just like Christians believe, they are the only ones that will make heaven. What foolishness.

4tomandchi:
1.The big question here is Did God Really Create Hell Fire?

2. As we are meant to understand everything originated from God the Devil was created as Lucifer. Everything was good. So where did evil emanated from?

3. Did God created Hell? Is Hell part of God's architecture or it exist in another realm?

4. Will all souls in Hell be saved at last?

Please if you are led by the spirit give us some insight.

1. Ofcourse God created Hell. Hell, is a domain within the Kingdom of God, a Kingdom ruled over by Jesus Christ Himself- a Kingdom not of this world. - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Jesus Christ is King in Heaven and in Hell.

2. Devil was not created as Lucifer. Instead Lucifer, the devil who was once an angel, is a fictional character that has no origin in scripture. Scripture instead explains to us that God created all things and that nothing was created outside of Him meaning even Satan was created by God along with that which we know as Evil.

3. Yes! See answer #1

4. No. Hell is a place or eternal damnation. - Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46