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E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by KillerCrocodile: 3:32am On May 10, 2022
European Council President Charles Michel was forced to take cover during his surprise visit to the war-torn Ukrainian city of Odessa as Russian forces launched a missile attack.

A European Union (EU) official told AFP that Michel was in the middle of a meeting when the missiles hit Odessa.

It was later confirmed that the meeting was with Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmygal.

“During the meeting with the PM, the participants needed to interrupt the meeting to take shelter as missiles struck again the region of Odessa,” the official said.

Michel became the latest high-ranked official to visit Ukraine and the meeting in Odessa was organised in order to meet senior Ukrainian leadership and to record a speech celebrating Europe Day in front of the city’s historic opera house, the senior official said in a report by The Politico.

“The president was briefed by the head of Ukraine’s navy in particular on the damage caused by Russian missiles fired from the sea and was able to witness at first hand the wanton destruction of a residential building and the impact on innocent civilians,” the senior official was quoted as saying.

According to reports in the Ukrainian media, four cruise missiles were launched towards the city of Odessa and this was the latest attack from Russian forces who have been firing at regular intervals.

During his visit to Ukraine, Michel also held meetings with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy through video link as they discussed the ongoing conflict and Ukraine’s EU membership.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wionews.com/world/european-council-chief-charles-michel-forced-to-take-cover-as-russia-attacks-odessa-with-missiles-477714/amp

Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by KillerCrocodile: 3:33am On May 10, 2022
More Pictures..

Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Tonypens48(m): 5:17am On May 10, 2022
God go help us

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Vivianat(f): 5:25am On May 10, 2022
Russia should have blasted him though

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Dvdpity: 7:43am On May 10, 2022
He was lucky that he wasn't the target
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Mossadd: 8:33am On May 10, 2022
How I wish Russia missile got the bastard and that useless hypocrite US first lady the day she came to Kiev na them find trouble go war zone and world will not miss them if they got killed by almighty Russia missile

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by MERCHANDISER: 9:02am On May 10, 2022
lol bro, USA won’t risk San Francisco for Kyiv. If Putin nuke Kyiv which I don’t think will ever happen, life’s gonna go on, na Ukraine’s loss be that. Unless if the nuke fall on Poland nah that fit trigger MAD response. More weapons means more Ukrainian deaths,I’m not saying Russians won’t die too, cos dem no be robot… some of these weapons fall into the hands of RAF, while some are being destroyed. Nuke ain’t on the option, if putin unleashed real hell on Kyiv, there’ll no one left to use the land lease weapons dem go give up, but make we still Dey play the game like this, it’s fair enough. The weapons ain’t free nah generational debt, imagine it took the Soviet Union over 61years to repay the loan. You go think say usa Dey do em favor, their unborn generations go pay back the loan. This is no free lunch

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by KillerCrocodile: 12:16pm On May 10, 2022
MERCHANDISER:

if putin unleashed real hell on Kyiv, there’ll no one left to use
the land lease weapons dem go give up, but make we still Dey
play the game like this, it’s fair enough. The weapons ain’t free
nah generational debt, imagine it took the Soviet Union over
61years to repay the loan. You go think say usa Dey do em
favor, their unborn generations go pay back the loan. This is no
free lunch

It is better for their great-grand children to pay the debt for weapons used by their fore-fathers to secure for them Freedom and Democracy.

It is better for them to pay the debt for Weapons used to deliver and rescue them from Russian Bondage and Authoritarianism like we see in Belarus.

Unlike in Nigeria, where future generations would pay debts from loans that entered the pockets of privileged few...

It is better for them to rebuild the ruins of Ukrainian cities as Free men and women than to be born as Slaves, serving the interest of a Dictator in the Kremlin.

The Price of Freedom is not cheap and future generations in Ukraine would forever be grateful for this Act.

You see Russians celebrating Victory Day Yesterday in Pomp and Pageantry ...... Which is very Good.

But what they fail to mention was the fact that the United States was instrumental in their Victory over Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany.

Freedom and Victory over Authoritarianism and Dictatorial Land grabbers is not Cheap.

And Someday future Ukrainian Citizens would hold their own Victory and Freedom Day Celebrations and gratefully proclaim with understanding...

Slava Ukraini...... Glory to the Heroes.

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Nobody: 1:57pm On May 10, 2022
Freedom is an illusion in the modern world as the Ukrainians will soon realise. Slavery of the mind is the worst kind of slavery ever. That's the one the west imposes in their subjects. The subjects themselves will be the first to defend their masters. I am happy that for the first time the west has met a formidable for. While Russia does not have the media arsenal to manipulate like the west, it does have enough weapon to defend itself. I can't wait to see the faces of westerners when the truth begins to come out.
KillerCrocodile:


It is better for their great-grand children to pay the debt for weapons used by their fore-fathers to secure for them Freedom and Democracy.

It is better for them to pay the debt for Weapons used to deliver and rescue them from Russian Bondage and Authoritarianism like we see in Belarus.

Unlike in Nigeria, where future generations would pay debts from loans that entered the pockets of privileged few...

It is better for them to rebuild the ruins of Ukrainian cities as Free men and women than to be born as Slaves, serving the interest of a Dictator in the Kremlin.

The Price of Freedom is not cheap and future generations in Ukraine would forever be grateful for this Act.

You see Russians celebrating Victory Day Yesterday in Pomp and Pageantry ...... Which is very Good.

But what they fail to mention was the fact that the United States was instrumental in their Victory over Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany.

Freedom and Victory over Authoritarianism and Dictatorial Land grabbers is not Cheap.

And Someday future Ukrainian Citizens would hold their own Victory and Freedom Day Celebrations and gratefully proclaim with understanding...

Slava Ukraini...... Glory to the Heroes.

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Teazer4(m): 2:07pm On May 10, 2022
atmy1:
Freedom is an illusion in the modern world as the Ukrainians will soon realise. Slavery of the mind is the worst kind of slavery ever. That's the one the west imposes in their subjects. The subjects themselves will be the first to defend their masters. I am happy that for the first time the west has met a formidable for. While Russia does not have the media arsenal to manipulate like the west, it does have enough weapon to defend itself. I can't wait to see the faces of westerners when the truth begins to come out.
May your wisdom never run Dey comrade…

Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Teazer4(m): 2:07pm On May 10, 2022
He was lucky I guess, make dem continue to make unannounced visits to Kyiv, “unannounced” missiles go still kill one of em, mark my words

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by jimetagambo: 3:24pm On May 10, 2022
Vivianat:
Russia should have blasted him though
Boko haram's wife. Smh
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by leofab(f): 4:25pm On May 10, 2022
MERCHANDISER:
lol bro, USA won’t risk San Francisco for Kyiv. If Putin nuke Kyiv
which I don’t think will ever happen, life’s gonna go on, na
Ukraine’s loss be that. Unless if the nuke fall on Poland nah
that fit trigger MAD response. More weapons means more
Ukrainian deaths,I’m not saying Russians won’t die too, cos
dem no be robot… some of these weapons fall into the hands of
RAF, while some are being destroyed. Nuke ain’t on the option,
if putin unleashed real hell on Kyiv, there’ll no one left to use
the land lease weapons dem go give up, but make we still Dey
play the game like this, it’s fair enough. The weapons ain’t free
nah generational debt, imagine it took the Soviet Union over
61years to repay the loan. You go think say usa Dey do em
favor, their unborn generations go pay back the loan. This is no
free lunch
why didn’t the Russians allow the Germans to overrun them? Why are they celebrating the victory day? No price is too big to pay for freedom and usa has always been there for those fighting for their freedom.. they did it for Russia and will do it for ukraine..

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by KillerCrocodile: 4:40pm On May 10, 2022
atmy1:
[s]Freedom is an illusion in the modern world as the Ukrainians will soon realise. Slavery of the mind is the worst kind of slavery ever. That's the one the west imposes in their subjects. The subjects themselves will be the first to defend their masters. I am happy that for the first time the west has met a formidable for. While Russia does not have the media arsenal to manipulate like the west, it does have enough weapon to defend itself. I can't wait to see the faces of westerners when the truth begins to come out[/s].

Thank you very much..

Keep encouraging yourself with old wives fables.

Democracy is not perfect but it is a million times better than what Authoritarianism and Dictatorship offers.
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Nobody: 6:02pm On May 10, 2022
Democracy is a facade, great in theory but more complex in practice just like communism. The only difference and what makes democracy more dangerous is that it gives the illusion of freedom to the victims until it's too late. Every society should determine how it wants to be run via a social contract with it's leaders, that is the real democracy. When you impose a foreign system on people that don't want it you create chaos which is what the US has done to many middle eastern countries. Have you noticed that the most successful middle eastern countries are not democracies? I am sure the moment you replace UAE's monarchy with a democratic goverment that's the end of that great country.
KillerCrocodile:


Thank you very much..

Keep encouraging yourself with old wives fables.

Democracy is not perfect but it is a million times better than what Authoritarianism and Dictatorship offers.
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Nobody: 6:10pm On May 10, 2022
Plus, who gives labels something dictatorship? Western media? Angela Merkel spent 4 terms up to 16 years in office but was not a dictator. The same way they kept voting Merkel back is how they keep voting Putin back yet he is a dictator. UK conducted Brexit and it was adjudged a free referendum but when Crimea voted enmasse to join Russia, the referendum is fake. This Ukraine war is fun because the Russians are just taking their time waiting for the right time to expose the western lies. Imagine the loss in reputation for the big networks CNN, BBC etc when Ukraine finally crumbles like a pack of cards.
KillerCrocodile:


Thank you very much..

Keep encouraging yourself with old wives fables.

Democracy is not perfect but it is a million times better than what Authoritarianism and Dictatorship offers.

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by KillerCrocodile: 6:24pm On May 10, 2022
atmy1:
[s]Democracy is a facade, great in theory but more complex in practice just like communism. The only difference and what makes democracy more dangerous is that it gives the illusion of freedom to the victims until it's too late. Every society should determine how it wants to be run via a social contract with it's leaders, that is the real democracy. When you impose a foreign system on people that don't want it you create chaos which is what the US has done to many middle eastern countries. Have you noticed that the most successful middle eastern countries are not democracies? I am sure the moment you replace UAE's monarchy with a democratic goverment that's the end of that great country.[/s]

Utter Hogwash..

Another Balderdash from the Lovers of Authoritarianism.

That is why MBS was emboldened to brutally kill Jamal Khashoggi in the Saudi Embassy in Turkey because he knows nobody would hold him accountable for his crimes.

Abeg forget your Anti- Democratic Sales speech.
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Nobody: 6:40pm On May 10, 2022
And what happened to Saudi Arabia for it? No invasion, no sanction, no one embargo on Saudi oil. Do you know why? Saudi is their ally and this further underscores my point that democracy is only a facade. It doesn't matter who practices democracy or not, only who is America's friend. Look at the case of Saddam Hussein. The US used him to topple the communist govt of Iraq. Unfortunately, neighbouring Iran went rogue on the west. They overthrow the friendly Shah and kicked US out of their country for good. In retaliation, they funded Sadam to launch a brutal war against Iran. With the support of the Soviets, Iran prevailed. Several years later, when Sadam was going to be hanged, one of his crimes was using chemical weapons against innocent Iranians. Who gave him the chemical weapons? Your guess is as good as mine.
Let me tell you, this Zelensky will eventually become a sworn enemy of the US tomorrow when he realizes he is only being used.
KillerCrocodile:


Utter Hogwash..

Another Balderdash from the Lovers of Authoritarianism.

That is why MBS was emboldened to brutally kill Jamal Khashoggi in the Saudi Embassy in Turkey because he knows nobody would hold him accountable for his crimes.

Abeg forget your Anti- Democratic Sales speech.

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Nobody: 6:47pm On May 10, 2022
You don't get it. What the west claims to practice is not the real democracy just as what Soviet union practiced was not the real communism as espoused by Karl Marx and co.
As long as humans are in charge of this world and one nation seeks dominance over others either by force or by crook, there will never be peace. If one nation cannot abide by its own rules, how do you want another nation to abide by those same rules?

It is even more insulting when you claim to be honest but we can see how brutal you really are. If you prefer the deception to reality, that's okay. Go ahead. But truth must be told.

I want to see Obama, Bush and Clinton judged before the ICC and condemned for their war crimes before criticising Putin. That is only when we can say there is justice. Otherwise we are all deceiving ourselves.
KillerCrocodile:


Utter Hogwash..

Another Balderdash from the Lovers of Authoritarianism.

That is why MBS was emboldened to brutally kill Jamal Khashoggi in the Saudi Embassy in Turkey because he knows nobody would hold him accountable for his crimes.

Abeg forget your Anti- Democratic Sales speech.

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by KillerCrocodile: 6:55pm On May 10, 2022
atmy1:
Plus, who gives labels something dictatorship? Western media? Angela Merkel spent 4 terms up to 16 years in office but was not a dictator. The same way they kept voting Merkel back is how they keep voting Putin back yet he is a dictator. UK conducted Brexit and it was adjudged a free referendum but when Crimea voted enmasse to join Russia, the referendum is fake. This Ukraine war is fun because the Russians are just taking their time waiting for the right time to expose the western lies. Imagine the loss in reputation for the big networks CNN, BBC etc when Ukraine finally crumbles like a pack of cards.

So you now want to compare Angela Merkel with Putin ?

How many Opposition figure did Merkel Intimidate ?

How many Opposition candidate did Merkel Arrest ?

How many Independent candidates did Merkel ask the Electoral commission to Bar from running in parliamentary Elections ?

How many Peaceful Protesters did Merkel Arrest ?

How many Opposition figure did Merkel Poison and they fled to Russia for medical treatment ?

How many Opposition figure did Merkel Kill in front of the German Chancellery ?

How many outspoken critic of Merkel have died Violently or Mysteriously ?

Below is a link for you to see 10 Putin critics that died Violently or Mysteriously...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/

You better stop deceiving yourself and stop the Nonsensical comparison.

The only thing the war in Ukraine has exposed or revealed is the weakness of the Russian military.
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by olugabbie(m): 7:05pm On May 10, 2022
MERCHANDISER:
lol bro, USA won’t risk San Francisco for Kyiv. If Putin nuke Kyiv
which I don’t think will ever happen, life’s gonna go on, na
Ukraine’s loss be that. Unless if the nuke fall on Poland nah
that fit trigger MAD response. More weapons means more
Ukrainian deaths,I’m not saying Russians won’t die too, cos
dem no be robot… some of these weapons fall into the hands of
RAF, while some are being destroyed. Nuke ain’t on the option,
if putin unleashed real hell on Kyiv, there’ll no one left to use
the land lease weapons dem go give up, but make we still Dey
play the game like this, it’s fair enough. The weapons ain’t free
nah generational debt, imagine it took the Soviet Union over
61years to repay the loan. You go think say usa Dey do em
favor, their unborn generations go pay back the loan. This is no
free lunch


I strongly believe that NATO article 5, is a form of deterrence. If the threat of nuclear war is real the NATO alliance will break.Individual NATO members will not risk suffering a nuclear attack because of another member miscalculation. Imagine the US engaging Russia in a nuclear war because of Poland. It makes absolutely no sense.

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Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by KillerCrocodile: 7:15pm On May 10, 2022
atmy1:
And what happened to Saudi Arabia for it? No invasion, no sanction, no one embargo on Saudi oil. Do you know why? Saudi is their ally and this further underscores my point that democracy is only a facade. It doesn't matter who practices democracy or not, only who is America's friend. Look at the case of Saddam Hussein. The US used him to topple the communist govt of Iraq. Unfortunately, neighbouring Iran went rogue on the west. They overthrow the friendly Shah and kicked US out of their country for good. In retaliation, they funded Sadam to launch a brutal war against Iran. With the support of the Soviets, Iran prevailed. Several years later, when Sadam was going to be hanged, one of his crimes was using chemical weapons against innocent Iranians. Who gave him the chemical weapons? Your guess is as good as mine.
Let me tell you, this Zelensky will eventually become a sworn enemy of the US tomorrow when he realizes he is only being used.

Rubbish

So Saudi Arabia should be Invaded because they killed their own citizen inside their Embassy in Turkey ?

You think the America government is as Stupid and crazy like the Russian Dictator you support ?

Go and dig further and find out the Sanctions that were handed out by the Trump administration and later by President Biden . (Even though they were not enough)

Finally,

America have helped nations before and those nations later turned against them, So if Ukraine turn against the United States tomorrow, it is nothing new.

Only few friendship and partnerships last forever.
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by olugabbie(m): 7:16pm On May 10, 2022
KillerCrocodile:


Utter Hogwash..

Another Balderdash from the Lovers of Authoritarianism.

That is why MBS was emboldened to brutally kill Jamal Khashoggi in the Saudi Embassy in Turkey because he knows nobody would hold him accountable for his crimes.

Abeg forget your Anti- Democratic Sales speech.


Who has hold any Western leaders responsible for the war crimes committed in the middle east? The US killed more than 300000 civilians in Iraq alone.

MBS killed Kashshoggi and may be few others compare to the 300000 civilians killed in Iraq.

Israel commits war crimes against Palestinians on daily basis. Who is holding them accountable.
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by KillerCrocodile: 7:23pm On May 10, 2022
olugabbie:



Who has hold any Western leaders responsible for the war crimes committed in the middle east? The US killed more than 300000 civilians in Iraq alone.

MBS killed Kashshoggi and may be few others compare to the 300000 civilians killed in Iraq.

Israel commits war crimes against Palestinians on daily basis. Who is holding them accountable.

You can hold them responsible by continualy speaking against it regardless of your Political allegiance.

War Crime is War Crime no matter who the offenders may be ....
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by KillerCrocodile: 7:34pm On May 10, 2022
atmy1:
You don't get it. What the west claims to practice is not the real democracy just as what Soviet union practiced was not the real communism as espoused by Karl Marx and co.

As long as humans are in charge of this world and one nation seeks dominance over others either by force or by crook, there will never be peace. If one nation cannot abide by its own rules, how do you want another nation to abide by those same rules?

It is even more insulting when you claim to be honest but we can see how brutal you really are. If you prefer the deception to reality, that's okay. Go ahead. But truth must be told.

I want to see Obama, Bush and Clinton judged before the ICC and condemned for their war crimes before criticising Putin. That is only when we can say there is justice. Otherwise we are all deceiving ourselves.

Is that not what Russia is trying to do in several European countries where they have Russian backed Separatists...

Putin's Russia have a grand plan to take over European countries because they want the Soviet Union restored.

Just like you, I am also waiting for the Former US president to face War Crime charges for any legitimate war Crime they committed..

I will never support any War Criminal..

War Crime is War Crime.. No matter who commits it, I would always speak against them.
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Nobody: 7:43pm On May 10, 2022
Like I said, democracy is an idealistic concept and more complex in reality. Also, most of what you know about the world today was shaped by the western media. I am sure you will readily say Iran is one of the most terrible countries in the world but if I ask you how many acts of terrorism has actually been linked to Iran. Meanwhile, US had to beg Iran to help them fight ISIS which they created in Syria. Zelensky is even more of a dictator than Putin. He banned all opposition parties. Therefore he is a dictator and deserves to be an enemy of the US. Can you now see the folly in your worldview?
KillerCrocodile:


Is that not what Russia is trying to do in several European countries where they have Russian backed Separatists...

Putin's Russia have a grand plan to take over European countries because they want the Soviet Union restored.

Just like you, I am also waiting for the Former US president to face War Crime charges for any legitimate war Crime they committed..

I will never support any War Criminal..

War Crime is War Crime.. No matter who commits it, I would always speak against them.
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Nobody: 7:54pm On May 10, 2022
You just defined Zelensky as a typical disctator. He banned 10 opposition parties, bombed donbass just because they wanted to independence and sends troops to use civilians as human shields. Ukrainian extremist troops were shooting ethnic Russians who are Ukrainian citizens in Mariupol, parking armoured tanks in shopping malls and converting a kindergarten to military base. He is even worse than a dictator and I hope the Ukrainians will get a better leader soon. Remember, a legitimate government was toppled in 2014 with the active instigation of the US.
KillerCrocodile:


So you now want to compare Angela Merkel with Putin ?

How many Opposition figure did Merkel Intimidate ?

How many Opposition candidate did Merkel Arrest ?

How many Independent candidates did Merkel ask the Electoral commission to Bar from running in parliamentary Elections ?

How many Peaceful Protesters did Merkel Arrest ?

How many Opposition figure did Merkel Poison and they fled to Russia for medical treatment ?

How many Opposition figure did Merkel Kill in front of the German Chancellery ?

How many outspoken critic of Merkel have died Violently or Mysteriously ?

Below is a link for you to see 10 Putin critics that died Violently or Mysteriously...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/

You better stop deceiving yourself and stop the Nonsensical comparison.

The only thing the war in Ukraine has exposed or revealed is the weakness of the Russian military.
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by KillerCrocodile: 11:27pm On May 10, 2022
atmy1:
You just defined Zelensky as a typical disctator. He banned 10 opposition parties, bombed donbass just because they wanted to independence and sends troops to use civilians as human shields. Ukrainian extremist troops were shooting ethnic Russians who are Ukrainian citizens in Mariupol, parking armoured tanks in shopping malls and converting a kindergarten to military base. He is even worse than a dictator and I hope the Ukrainians will get a better leader soon. Remember, a legitimate government was toppled in 2014 with the active instigation of the US.

You have shifted ground again....

You came up with the comparison of Putin with Angela Merkel and I asked you simple questions, instead of answering them,

You have shifted to Zelensky.

Ok less go there....

Zelensky was Democratically elected to protect the Territorial Integrity and Borders of Ukraine as recognized by the United Nations.

President Zelensky came to power on May 20, 2019. The War and destruction in the Donbas region has been raging since 2014. He came to office as a War time President.

He came to office and vowed that his first goal as president would be to achieve a lasting peace in war-torn eastern Ukraine.

After his Servant of the people party won parliamentary majority in July 21 of the same year, Zelensky’s mandate allowed him to promote a peace settlement that would see Ukrainian forces and Russian-backed insurgents withdraw from the so-called “contact line” in eastern Ukraine.

Zelensky’s opponents characterized the move as a capitulation that would do nothing but legitimize Russian aggression in the Donets Basin and Crimea, but he retained widespread support from a war-weary public.

So most of the Atrocities you pointed above were done before he came to office..... Please Get your facts correct.

Yes he sent Ukrainian troops to fight with Russian backed insurgents but that was in retaliation to the heinous crimes the Kremlin backed forces were committing in the Donbas region.

I am in no way trying to let the Ukrainian military off the hook because they also committed their fair share of War Crimes against civilians.

But it was not Zelensky that Annexed a part of Russia, it was Putin that Invaded a sovereign nation and annexed Crimea.

Zelensky never gave arms to Russian Opposition figures and asked them to declare a new Republic but Putin did that in Ukraine.

Zelensky never Invaded Russia but Putin's military has been Invading the Ukrainian territory since 2014 as documented by the OSCE.

So who is the Aggressor here, Putin or Zelensky ?

Putin has never recognized Ukraine as a sovereign nation, he sees Ukraine as a part of Russia that must have a Puppet as president to do the will of the Kremlin just like Lukashenko in Belarus.

Why didn't you make mention of Putin's War Crimes and Criminals in the Donbas region since 2014 such as the:

illegal kidnapping of civilians,

Torturing of civilians,

Extrajudicial killing and detention of people.

The majority of them were civilians, among them were men and women.

Why did you fail to mention the fact that Putin and his Invaders since 2014 targeted and prosecuted journalists, human rights defenders, civil activists, art and religious leaders in the Donbas region.

Why did you not mention Igor Strelkov aka Igor Girkin, who is a commander of the Kremlin backed forces in Donbas

Igor Strelkov is a well known War Criminal ... he has committed war crimes in Transnistria, in Chechnya, in Crimea and in Donbas.

He is among four men responsible for the downing of the MH 17 flight that killed almost 300 people according to Dutch persecutors.

You failed to mention the above...

But na Zelensky body you dey get Power.....

You try well well.
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by KillerCrocodile: 2:22am On May 11, 2022
atmy1:
Like I said, democracy is an idealistic concept and more complex in reality. Also, most of what you know about the world today was shaped by the western media. I am sure you will readily say Iran is one of the most terrible countries in the world but if I ask you how many acts of terrorism has actually been linked to Iran. Meanwhile, US had to beg Iran to help them fight ISIS which they created in Syria. Zelensky is even more of a dictator than Putin. He banned all opposition parties. Therefore he is a dictator and deserves to be an enemy of the US. Can you now see the folly in your worldview?

Zelensky banned all opposition parties with links to Russia on the 20 of March 2022.

Almost a month after Putin's Russia Invaded Ukraine.

Now ask yourself who Invaded Russia before Putin cracked down on Opposition candidates and they were banned from parliamentary elections.

No sane democratically elected President would allow Opposition parties with links to an Invader to continue to function in the political terrain of his nation.

Every Invader must be pushed back including the political parties they sponsor.

You mentioned Iran...

Go and find out the militant groups that they help in training, financing and providing weapons and safe haven to.

Albania

On 19 December 2018 Albania expelled Iran's ambassador to the country, Gholamhossein Mohammadnia, and another Iranian diplomat for "involvement in activities that harm the country's security", for "violating their diplomatic status and supporting terrorism.

"The expelled Iranians were alleged to have plotted terrorist attacks in the country.

Bahrain

On 30 September 2015, Bahraini security forces discovered a large bomb-making factory in Nuwaidrat and arrested a number of suspects linked to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

The next day, 1 October, Bahrain recalled its ambassador to Iran and asked the Iranian acting charge d’affaires to leave the kingdom within 72 hours after he was declared persona non-grata.

Bahrain's decision to recall its ambassador came "in light of continued Iranian meddling in the affairs of the kingdom of Bahrain in order to create sectarian strife and to impose hegemony and control.

On 6 January 2016, Bahrain said it had dismantled a terrorist cell allegedly linked to the Revolutionary Guards and Hezbollah.

The Bahraini interior ministry said the cell was planning to carry out a series of dangerous bombings on the kingdom, and that many members were arrested including the group's leaders, 33-year-old twins Ali and Mohammed Fakhrawi.

India

In July 2012, The Times of India reported that New Delhi police had concluded that terrorists belonging to a branch of Iran's military, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, were responsible for an attack on 13 February 2012, during which a bomb explosion targeted an Israeli diplomat in New Delhi, India, wounding one embassy staff member, a local employee, and two passers-by.

According to the report, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards may have planned other attacks on Israeli targets around the world as well.

Kenya

Aggrey Adoli, police chief in Kenya's coastal region, said on 22 June 2012 that two Iranians, Ahmad Abolfathi Mohammad and Sayed Mansour Mousavi, believed to be members of Iran's Revolutionary Guards' Quds Force, were arrested and suspected of being involved in terrorism.

One of the Iranians led counter-terrorism officers to recover 15 kilograms of a powdery substance believed to be explosive.

The two Iranians admitted to plotting to attack United States, Israeli, Saudi, or British targets in Kenya.

In court, Police Sgt. Erick Opagal, an investigator with Kenya's Anti-Terrorism Police Unit, said that the two Iranians had shipped over 100 kilograms of powerful explosives into Kenya.

It was later revealed that the targets included Gil Haskel, Israel's ambassador to Kenya.

During a visit to Kenya, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon praised Kenya for its efforts in stopping Iranian terror threats against Israeli and Jewish targets.

Uganda, Ethiopia, and Kenya all expressed concern with Ayalon regarding Iran's attempts to increase terror activity in Africa
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Kingsnairaland(m): 3:16am On May 11, 2022
atmy1:
Freedom is an illusion in the modern world as the Ukrainians will soon realise. Slavery of the mind is the worst kind of slavery ever. That's the one the west imposes in their subjects. The subjects themselves will be the first to defend their masters. I am happy that for the first time the west has met a formidable for. While Russia does not have the media arsenal to manipulate like the west, it does have enough weapon to defend itself. I can't wait to see the faces of westerners when the truth begins to come out.
exactly.
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Nobody: 5:06am On May 11, 2022
So how is Iran different from Ukraine that sent over 7000 troops to join the invasion of Iraq. When you are judging Iran's policies you did not distinguish between various regimes because it is national policy. My point here is that both the west and Russia have committed atrocities but the west has done more. The list of invaded countries and dead innocent civilians keep piling up. The war in Ukraine could have been avoided by negotiations. Ukraine cannot join NATO just the same way US could not allow missiles deployed in Cuba. If ukraine wants to be closer to the west let them join EU and then negotiate security guarantees from both the west and Russia.

You talked about the annexation of Crimea. This did not happen until the illegal Euromaidan coup sponsored by the US. Victoria Nuland tape attests to this. The people of Crimea and Donbas rejected the new illegitimate government and voted to leave. Ukraine could have brought them into negotiations rather than harrasing them. I feel Russia'd pain. Here are russian speaking people being maltreated, many of them with families in Russia.

Then, you have the biolabs which US already attests to. What are they doing with biolabs in Ukraine for God's sake?

No matter how you look at it, the western govts and ukraine provoked this war. US has been operating NATO based and training camps in western ukraine for years.

KillerCrocodile:


Zelensky banned all opposition parties with links to Russia on the 20 of March 2022.

Almost a month after Putin's Russia Invaded Ukraine.

Now ask yourself who Invaded Russia before Putin cracked down on Opposition candidates and they were banned from parliamentary elections.

No sane democratically elected President would allow Opposition parties with links to an Invader to continue to function in the political terrain of his nation.

Every Invader must be pushed back including the political parties they sponsor.

You mentioned Iran...

Go and find out the militant groups that they help in training, financing and providing weapons and safe haven to.

Albania

On 19 December 2018 Albania expelled Iran's ambassador to the country, Gholamhossein Mohammadnia, and another Iranian diplomat for "involvement in activities that harm the country's security", for "violating their diplomatic status and supporting terrorism.

"The expelled Iranians were alleged to have plotted terrorist attacks in the country.

Bahrain

On 30 September 2015, Bahraini security forces discovered a large bomb-making factory in Nuwaidrat and arrested a number of suspects linked to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

The next day, 1 October, Bahrain recalled its ambassador to Iran and asked the Iranian acting charge d’affaires to leave the kingdom within 72 hours after he was declared persona non-grata.

Bahrain's decision to recall its ambassador came "in light of continued Iranian meddling in the affairs of the kingdom of Bahrain in order to create sectarian strife and to impose hegemony and control.

On 6 January 2016, Bahrain said it had dismantled a terrorist cell allegedly linked to the Revolutionary Guards and Hezbollah.

The Bahraini interior ministry said the cell was planning to carry out a series of dangerous bombings on the kingdom, and that many members were arrested including the group's leaders, 33-year-old twins Ali and Mohammed Fakhrawi.

India

In July 2012, The Times of India reported that New Delhi police had concluded that terrorists belonging to a branch of Iran's military, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, were responsible for an attack on 13 February 2012, during which a bomb explosion targeted an Israeli diplomat in New Delhi, India, wounding one embassy staff member, a local employee, and two passers-by.

According to the report, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards may have planned other attacks on Israeli targets around the world as well.

Kenya

Aggrey Adoli, police chief in Kenya's coastal region, said on 22 June 2012 that two Iranians, Ahmad Abolfathi Mohammad and Sayed Mansour Mousavi, believed to be members of Iran's Revolutionary Guards' Quds Force, were arrested and suspected of being involved in terrorism.

One of the Iranians led counter-terrorism officers to recover 15 kilograms of a powdery substance believed to be explosive.

The two Iranians admitted to plotting to attack United States, Israeli, Saudi, or British targets in Kenya.

In court, Police Sgt. Erick Opagal, an investigator with Kenya's Anti-Terrorism Police Unit, said that the two Iranians had shipped over 100 kilograms of powerful explosives into Kenya.

It was later revealed that the targets included Gil Haskel, Israel's ambassador to Kenya.

During a visit to Kenya, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon praised Kenya for its efforts in stopping Iranian terror threats against Israeli and Jewish targets.

Uganda, Ethiopia, and Kenya all expressed concern with Ayalon regarding Iran's attempts to increase terror activity in Africa
Re: E.U Council Chief Charles Michel Forced To Take Cover As Russia Attacks Odessa- by Nobody: 5:20am On May 11, 2022
1. Russia did not annex Crimea. The Crimean people chose to reject an illegal government and Russia supported and protected them. Remember there was a referendum.

2. Agreed, Zelensky came in after the donbas war started but what has he done to improve the lot of the donbas people and protect them from the Nazi Azov etremists harassing them? He had a chance to negotiate with both the west and Russia for security guarantees but decided to pick Russia as enemy by allowing western countries to continue to build military installations in his country. Then, the issue of NATO which is a military organisation and not economic like EU. Both Finland and Sweden are in EU and not NATO, ukraine could stay neutral like that.

3. The OSCE has been exposed already as a bias party in this conflict. There are videos of weapons been wrapped in OSCE logos.

4. You said Russia gave arms to opposition figures in Ukraine. Is that not what US has done in Syria, Libya and several other places? If you accept that US is the most influential country in the world and it's ideologues are right then are they not the people we should emulate? Are you saying we should just follow what they say and not what they do? The height of hypocrisy!

5. If anything good will come out of this war it is the realization that the current world system is untenable and needs to be reviewed. UN should stop being controlled by five countries an veto should be removed. More voices should be given to developing countries who make the bulk of world population. Only then can we even start talking of international law.

[ kissquote author=KillerCrocodile post=112712442]

You have shifted ground again....

You came up with the comparison of Putin with Angela Merkel and I asked you simple questions, instead of answering them,

You have shifted to Zelensky.

Ok less go there....

Zelensky was Democratically elected to protect the Territorial Integrity and Borders of Ukraine as recognized by the United Nations.

President Zelensky came to power on May 20, 2019. The War and destruction in the Donbas region has been raging since 2014. He came to office as a War time President.

He came to office and vowed that his first goal as president would be to achieve a lasting peace in war-torn eastern Ukraine.

After his Servant of the people party won parliamentary majority in July 21 of the same year, Zelensky’s mandate allowed him to promote a peace settlement that would see Ukrainian forces and Russian-backed insurgents withdraw from the so-called “contact line” in eastern Ukraine.

Zelensky’s opponents characterized the move as a capitulation that would do nothing but legitimize Russian aggression in the Donets Basin and Crimea, but he retained widespread support from a war-weary public.

So most of the Atrocities you pointed above were done before he came to office..... Please Get your facts correct.

Yes he sent Ukrainian troops to fight with Russian backed insurgents but that was in retaliation to the heinous crimes the Kremlin backed forces were committing in the Donbas region.

I am in no way trying to let the Ukrainian military off the hook because they also committed their fair share of War Crimes against civilians.

But it was not Zelensky that Annexed a part of Russia, it was Putin that Invaded a sovereign nation and annexed Crimea.

Zelensky never gave arms to Russian Opposition figures and asked them to declare a new Republic but Putin did that in Ukraine.

Zelensky never Invaded Russia but Putin's military has been Invading the Ukrainian territory since 2014 as documented by the OSCE.

So who is the Aggressor here, Putin or Zelensky ?

Putin has never recognized Ukraine as a sovereign nation, he sees Ukraine as a part of Russia that must have a Puppet as president to do the will of the Kremlin just like Lukashenko in Belarus.

Why didn't you make mention of Putin's War Crimes and Criminals in the Donbas region since 2014 such as the:

illegal kidnapping of civilians,

Torturing of civilians,

Extrajudicial killing and detention of people.

The majority of them were civilians, among them were men and women.

Why did you fail to mention the fact that Putin and his Invaders since 2014 targeted and prosecuted journalists, human rights defenders, civil activists, art and religious leaders in the Donbas region.

Why did you not mention Igor Strelkov aka Igor Girkin, who is a commander of the Kremlin backed forces in Donbas

Igor Strelkov is a well known War Criminal ... he has committed war crimes in Transnistria, in Chechnya, in Crimea and in Donbas.

He is among four men responsible for the downing of the MH 17 flight that killed almost 300 people according to Dutch persecutors.

You failed to mention the above...

But na Zelensky body you dey get Power.....

You try well well.[/quote]

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