sagenaija:
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You did not disappoint me in resorting to rigmarole in your response.
You argue here about ARTICLE[/b].
Even if we are to go by your translation of John 1:1 what kind of god is the Word that he is referenced here with the God? If in the beginning 'was' the Word does that not tell you that he already existed as uncreated?
When your translation follows that with “This one was in the beginning with God,” (John 1:2, NWT) can't you see the connection this opening verses of John is making between God and the Word?

Later on we have “He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him,” (John 1:11, NWT). Who were His own people (of the Word) that did not accept Him? Obviously Israel. Who called Israel his own in the Old Testament?

Where DOGMA is superimposed on the Scriptures even clear issues like I've stated above will still not be clear to you. You will still resort to your rigmarole.

In Acts 20:28 clearly the Greek did not state 'his own son'. Your JWs NWT put that in there. Why? We are not just talking about an article here. We are talking about a significant insertion. You won't see anything wrong with that. But now you go talking about an article. Do you agree that JW threw away any reference to Greek grammar in rendering this portion the way it did? Is that sincerity (or staying true) with the Greek?
Who is being DUBIOUS?
Btw, Koine Greek is precise.

Look at these again and get sense:
For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?
Hebrews 1:5 NIV

When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Revelation 1:17‭-‬18 NIV

“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Revelation 22:12‭-‬13 NIV

“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Revelation 22:16 NIV

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
Revelation 22:20 NIV
NB:
Did you see that the Word that was with God ACCEPTED worship?

Janosky:

The same John W FRAUD who posted that Jehovah is God and Jesus Christ.
My brother "CAPTIVATOR" asked John W:
"So,You separate them?"

Janosky:
John W FRAUD wedded to LYING.
You worship one deity you call "holy ghost"
You worship another deity you call "the Son"
Still, you worship another separate deity you call "the Father".
How many are they?
Shame on you, DELUDED LIAR.[/b]

Janosky:

Know nothing itibolibo.
Please take your IBERIBEISM offline.

johnw47:
one of the signs that you belong to the devil is your constant lying

Janosky:

Deuteronomy 10:17 ASV
17For Jehovah your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the terrible, who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward"
Deuteronomy 10:17,ASV
17For Jehovah your God, he is God of gods".
Oga, Jehovah God is the God of gods.
At John 1:1, John reference Jehovah as "the God". Greek John 4:24, John and Jesus Christ reference Jehovah as the God.
Anyhow,Sagenaija & his fellow 3 deities worshippers wants to TWIST the Bible truth of Deuteronomy 10:17 & 1 Corinthians 8:5, it's their cup of tea.
Jehovah the God of gods PROHIBITS worship of gods.
Their cup of tea is NOT holy scriptures.

Janosky:
The last Greek sentence at Acts 28:6 is the same last Greek sentence @ John 1:1.
Why shift the goalpost @ John 1:1?
The same Greek word for god is @ John 10:33, Acts28:6 & 1 Corinthians 8:5.
Why shift the goal post @ John 10:33?
The screenshot given by Trinitarian Biblehub PROVEN that Trinitarians are dubious lots.
They CHANGED Greek John1:1 & John 10:33 to favor their GIBBERISH.

sagenaija:
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You did not disappoint me in resorting to rigmarole in your response.

Oga, you are just giving flimsy excuses to REJECT
John 14:28,1 Corinthians 3:23 & 1 Corinthians 11:3 , where Jesus Christ and Paul (he converted) have answered your question.

sagenaija:

You argue here about ARTICLE[/b].
Even if we are to go by your translation of John 1:1 what kind of god is the Word that he is referenced here with the God? If in the beginning 'was' the Word does that not tell you that he already existed as uncreated?

Jesus said: "I came forth from my Father", John 16:28.
Oga, did you come forth from your Father?

"Jesus the only begotten son born of the Father before ALL ages." (In screenshot)- Trinity Creed of Nicene,3 AD.
According to Trinity Creed of your mentors at the Council of Nicene.
Na them PROVE you are LYING.

sagenaija:

When your translation follows that with “This one was in the beginning with God,” (John 1:2, NWT) can't you see the connection this opening verses of John is making between God and the Word?

sagenaija:

Later on we have “He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him,” (John 1:11, NWT). Who were His own people (of the Word) that did not accept Him? Obviously Israel. Who called Israel his own in the Old Testament?

sagenaija:

Where DOGMA is superimposed on the Scriptures even clear issues like I've stated above will still not be clear to you. You will still resort to your rigmarole.

sagenaija:

In Acts 20:28 clearly the Greek did not state 'his own son'. Your JWs NWT put that in there. Why? We are not just talking about an article here. We are talking about a significant insertion. You won't see anything wrong with that. But now you go talking about an article.

sagenaija:

Do you agree that JW threw away any reference to Greek grammar in rendering this portion the way it did? Is that sincerity (or staying true) with the Greek?
Who is being DUBIOUS?
Btw, Koine Greek is precise.

sagenaija:

Look at these again and get sense:
For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?
Hebrews 1:5 NIV

When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Revelation 1:17‭-‬18 NIV

“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Revelation 22:12‭-‬13 NIV

“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Revelation 22:16 NIV

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
Revelation 22:20 NIV
NB:
Did you see that the Word that was with God ACCEPTED worship?

@ Revelation 22:12-13,16, Revelation 1:17-18, & Hebrews 1:5,did your own Bible make any statement about worship?
When you "fall at the feet " of your Father, are you worshipping him?
Sagenaija desperate to FORCE Trinity DOGMA into holy Bible.
You claim you worship Jesus and worship his Father, God.
John 20:17,Oga, did Jesus you claim to imitate, worship 2 persons?
Did Jesus Christ say the disciples worship 2 persons?

Janosky:



your 3 deities?
your 3 deities?

johnw47:


Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


lost blasphemer fraud jw janosky

you love to forever call the Christians JEHOVAH and Jesus and Holy Spirit
of the Bible: "3 deities/3 god's", you also call them: "the 3 dogheads"

you call the Holy Spirit: "the ole demon ghost"

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Janosky:
GIBBERISH for the sewage dump.

sagenaija:
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Your INABILITY to answer questions straightforwardly shows either your mental capacity level or disingenuousness.

sagenaija:
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My questions were simple. First, your JW translation of John 1:1 says "the word was a God" and I asked; what kind of god is the Word that he is referenced here with the God? Also: If in the beginning 'was' the Word does that not tell you that he already existed as uncreated?

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sagenaija:
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What you then do (without relating it to the verse or my questions) is go on to John 16:28 and then talk about lying. What are the lies in my above questions? When did asking questions become lying? Do you begin to see how your brain is working in a twisted way?

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sagenaija:


Instead of explaining your position what you do is resort to attacks on the person. And you guys will turn around and say that your organization is the best in the world. Is it with people like you?

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The position of the holy Scriptures is :
"Believe in Jesus our Lord, the only begotten Son born of the Father before ALL ages".
According to your Nicene Trinity mentors.
John 16:28 & John 20:17.
JWs share the same God and the same Father with Jesus born of the Father before ALL ages".

Oga, what about you?
Your next question have given you away.

Who called Israel his own in the Old Testament?

Oga Sagenaija says Jesus is the Jehovah of Israel.
@ John 20:17, did Jesus agree with Sagenaija?

sagenaija:


Instead of explaining your position what you do is resort to attacks on the person. And you guys will turn around and say that your organization is the best in the world. Is it with people like you?
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Sagenaija Post:
Do you begin to see how your brain is working in a twisted way?"

Is Sagenaija "resorting to attacks on the person" of Janosky?
Sagenaija dey do the same thing he is against.

sagenaija:


Again, I said your JW translation says: “He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him,” (John 1:11, NWT). Who were His own people (of the Word) that did not accept Him? Obviously Israel. Who called Israel his own in the Old Testament?

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Oga Sagenaija,@ Psalm 89:29 & Luke 1:31-32, is King David the Father of Jehovah God of the old testament?

Trinity na man made SCAM

sagenaija:


A simple question that you ran away from because you know it punctures your whole theology in JW if we can call it theology.

Like I stated: Where DOGMA is superimposed on the Scriptures even clear issues like I've stated above will still not be clear to you. You will still resort to your rigmarole. That's exactly what you have done - resorting to confused and meaningless statements.

My point in Acts 20:28 when I said clearly the Greek did not state 'his own son' is that the Jehovah's Witness Organization ADDED words that were not in the Greek of the NT to their translation. This is not just the issue of rendition. It is putting in your translation something that is not in the ORIGINAL just to make it conform to your dogma. That in one word is FRAUD. You guys are intentionally perverting the truth.

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sagenaija:
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As expected you again missed my point in the Revelation passages I stated. Instead of focussing on them, your mind was thinking "This is where he must be heading to so let me counter him from that point". You refused to see the uniqueness of Jesus Christ from those passages.

Look at ALL the portions in Revelation where someone fell at the feet of another. What was it for? Obeisance? (To use your JW preferred word when you want to alter the meaning of a word). When John fell at feet of angels at least on two occasions what did the angels say? What do you see happening in Rev? 5:11-14? Were they simply admiring the Lamb?
Janosky, open your eyes.

Oga Sagenaija open your eyes.
Revelation 5:11-14 screenshot your fellow travelers in the Trinity boat PROVEN Worship is NOT for Jesus.
Matthew 4:10 dey your Bible?
Matthew 4:10,Why are you desperate to contradict Jesus Christ?

Janosky:

Oga Sagenaija open your eyes.
Revelation 5:11-14 screenshot your fellow travelers in the Trinity boat PROVEN Worship is NOT for Jesus.
Matthew 4:10 dey your Bible?
Matthew 4:10,Why are you desperate to contradict Jesus Christ?

Janosky:

Is Sagenaija willing to listen to Paul the apostle?
Paul the apostle made that statement of Acts 20:28 & Romans 8:3.
@ Acts 20:28 & Romans 8:3,Paul says "his own" refers to whom?
According to Sagenaija Bible,1 Corinthians 3:23, is Jesus Christ owned by God his Father?
Oga, is 1 Corinthians 3:23,Acts 8:3 & Romans 8:3 DOGMA or holy scriptures?
Paul has spoken the same thing at Acts 20:28, Romans 8:3 & 1 Corinthians 3:23,Oga believe !

MaxInDHouse:

No matter how these people keep deceiving themselves honest hearted and sincere individuals will know the truth! John 8:32
Was the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob worshiped in different ways?
Did His worshipers have contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines?
Do they call on His name to wage war against one another for any reason?
Jesus prayed for his disciples who are no part of the world {John 15:19} in order for them to have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23; 1 \Corinthians 1:10} he laid a foundation that's well structured regarding faith, all his disciples are under the oversight of a small group known as apostles and he told them that God will bind and loosen anything at the request of the apostles {Matthew 16:19} as long as they ask in line with God's will!
So if different sects with contradicting opinions now claims they're all followers of this same Christ it's simply means they're not ready to submit to the same line of thought which connotes LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:21-23

johnw47:


lost false jw mad max

yes you false jw's are all of the same one line of thought
saying for just one thing that i am also olaadegbu and emusan
and you repeat your fearful paranoia over and over again, showing
again and again that you peoples god is the devil:

you peoples habitual lying is of course of the devil:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

you peoples fearful paranoia is of course of the devil:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Janosky:

You have the right to console yourself with your GIBBERISH because you can't refute the holy scriptures calling man, Satan, angels Theos.

johnw47:

lost false jw mad max

yes you false jw's are all of the same one line of thought
saying for just one thing that i am also olaadegbu and emusan
and you repeat your fearful paranoia over and over again, showing
again and again that you peoples god is the devil:

you peoples habitual lying is of course of the devil:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

you peoples fearful paranoia is of course of the devil:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

MaxInDHouse:

My dear, John is a Deeperlifer.

johnw47:
JEHOVAH is the God of truth, if you speak truth then you are of God:

Psa_31:5  Into Your hand I commit my spirit; You have ransomed me, O LORD, God of truth


satan is the god of lies, if you speak lies then you are of the devil:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.



you will know them by their fruits
they speak and teach lies over and over again, it's their nature:

OLAADEGBU:
"Jehovah’s Witness’ Beliefs" Many issues from this list of 30 will be covered in the articles appearing on the Wednesday posts in the coming weeks. Learn more about these starting at this link: http://ow.ly/NuoU50MXBH3