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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by sinkhole: 6:17am On May 12, 2022
Below is the list of the federal government team that negotiated with ASUU in 2009:

1. Deacon Gamaliel O. Onosode, OFR
2. Professor Musa Abdullahi
3. Professor Greg Iwu, OON
4. Rev. Father T. E. Uwaifo
5. Barrister Emeka Nwankpa
6. Amb. Muh. Adamu Jumba
7. Professor Mahmood Yakubu
8. Senator Abdalla Wali.

And, below is the list of people that served as Advisers to the government team of negotiators:

1. Professor Julius A. Okoje
2. Professor Oye Ibidapo-Obe
3. Professor J. D. Amin
4. Professor E. A. C. Nwanze
5. Professor Chinedu Nebo
6. Professor Ekanem I. Braide
7. Professor S. U. Abdullahi
8. Professor Abdullahi Mahadi
9. Professor Peter Adeniyi
10. Chief (Mrs.) Mojisola Ladipo, mni
11. Mr. M. B. Modibbo

And, below is a list of people that served as Observers to the negotiation:

1. Mrs. V. A. Eghobamiem
2. Mr. S. A. Ajibola
3. Professor Ignatius I. Uvah
4. Mr. P. I. Ekun
5. Mrs. Chike Ogbechie
6. Mr. A. C. Adighiogu
7. Mr. P. E. Oyong
8. Mr. A. Ibrahim
9. Mr. I. O. Malaolu
10. Mr. G. T. Ogbenna
11. Mrs. Cynthia I. J. Okigbo.

And, below is a list of people that served as Secretariat to the negotiation:

1. Dr. M. K. Aliyu
2. Dr. M. B. Kuna
3. Mr. G. I. N. Emezue
4. Mrs. Ann E. Aiyedun
5. Mrs. Q. U. Elebor
6. Mr. B. C. Odun
7. Mrs. C. N. Goddy-Nnadi.

That was the team, if you don't know them, just google their pedigree and stop the insane regurgitation of nasty political rhetorics.

Yes, you can continue your insulting ASUU but know that those Nigerians, some of whom are late, are far better than the crops of irresponsible politicians you're covering now.

Stop insulting these brainy Nigerians simply because you've been given a propaganda line of an "agreement signed in error."

Nothing casts us as pro bono vuvuzellas than interloping into social issues we lack adequate information on.

~~~ Hashim Muhammad Suleiman, PhD

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by hassey(m): 6:19am On May 12, 2022
Ibegtodiffer:

Imagine! Those who train the NNPC, CBN etc staff should be paid less, since training those students in school does not directly generate funds to government coffers, abi? You seem to forget that the bane of all development is Human Capital development.

500k fees! So sayeth the elitist mind. The 500k you mentioned has never been seen or handled by some parents of first class students in some public universities. So what becomes their fate?
Students farm during rainy season and sell at a later time to fund their school fees. Students hawk cookies, fries...work as security personnel in hotels, banks etc just to afford fees. If it becomes 500k how do they survive that?

What abt those who train d so call lecturers, how much are they paid. I mean d primary and secondary teachers? Besides which special work is a lecturer doing? Answer ds questions without bias and u will understand better

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by sinkhole: 6:25am On May 12, 2022
hassey:


What abt those who train d so call lecturers, how much are they paid. I mean d primary and secondary teachers? Besides which special work is a lecturer doing? Answer ds questions without bias and u will understand better
Have you ever listened to ASUU people talk before?
They always mention that the way government killed the primary & secondary education, is the same way they want to kill the University education now!
Long time ago, the primary and secondary teachers are the best of our societies and they collect enough to make them happy, until Nigeria happened to them! The University teachers do not want the same to happen to them too.

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by onyxo76(m): 6:36am On May 12, 2022
Amerengues2:
Hmmm

Government only shakes body when their looting spree or activities are threatened- sequel to the planned protest by NANS to disrupt primary election;

They quickly supplied aviation fuel and attended to Aviation challenge.

Only ASUU knows how to hold government at the jugular and they get results unlike NLC.

They are occupied with their 2023 presidential ambition while education is at an all-time tottering level and hairsbreadth away from monumental total collapse.

If you don't support ASUU movements remember that if this government is permitted, Nigerian students will be paying 1m as school fees and they will crumble public tertiary institutions like primary and public school.

How can lecturers be paid #120,000 even a PHD holder gets paid around #150k+. The highest pay is 416k paid to professors that occupies about 4-5% of the population of staff. What about the paltry pay of others?! after over 20 years of tertiary education sometimes

Ordinary BSC in CBN, FIRS, NDA, NNPC, and other government parastatals earn extremely fat

NNPC Team Manager earns an average of about ₦ 1.19m monthly, Well Operations Superintendent earn up to ₦ 1.4m monthly and Human Resources Analysts earn around ₦665K.

The CBN staff salary structure is quite high but these salaries are not easily disclosed. The salaries below was inputed by some CBN staffs.

Deputy Governor CBN earns around ₦3.34m monthly, Branch Controller earns ₦900k and Managers earn around ₦700k.

The Entry level salary of FIRS employees ranges from ₦80,000 to ₦100,000 monthly. However, their ogas earn mammoth salaries

A level 8 staff of the PENCOM, at the end of his or her induction/recruitment training, get allowances in excess of over 2 million naira.

On monthly bases, level 8 Staff of the Commission earn around N180,000.

Unconfirmed reports of BOI suggest that some staff of the bank take home around N500,000 per month.

Not to mention DPR, Nimasa, NPA etc

you can abuse ASUU all you want but the fact is laid bare.

Most of these figures are far beyond what lecturers are paid.
Ask yourselves, students say they don't want to be lecturers because of perceived poor pay then with this trend, who will teach our children in the future when even the brightest brains are jetting out.

This should be a collective fight but ASUU must ensure no lecturer short-changes any student on resumption.

We didn't even talk about degree-less politicians fat salaries. Please don't quote me of you don't understand the plight of teachers in Nigeria. It's a collective fault. Primary and secondary school teachers are even worse in payment but the society doesn't care.

very correct, did you wonder why these agencies are not paid using ippis that was forced on the educational institutions.
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by shedisavage: 6:39am On May 12, 2022
When will the next meeting be abeg
Cauz I no sure say anything go sup
No politicians get our time yet
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by michlins(m): 6:41am On May 12, 2022
Ibegtodiffer:

Imagine! Those who train the NNPC, CBN etc staff should be paid less, since training those students in school does not directly generate funds to government coffers, abi? You seem to forget that the bane of all development is Human Capital development.

500k fees! So sayeth the elitist mind. The 500k you mentioned has never been seen or handled by some parents of first class students in some public universities. So what becomes their fate?
Students farm during rainy season and sell at a later time to fund their school fees. Students hawk cookies, fries...work as security personnel in hotels, banks etc just to afford fees. If it becomes 500k how do they survive that?
if you can't afford education,do something else. There are lots of skills you can acquire and achieve success in life. Majority of our graduates are not employable and that makes their certificate almost useless
TenQ:

It is because of ignorant graduates like you that this nation is so backward.

Do you know how long it takes to make a professor?
Do you know how irreplaceable a professor is in training the nation's human capital?


Unfortunately for you, just like our dumb politicians, you think only in terms of CASH and not VALUE.

It doesn't dawn on you that CBN, FIRS, NNPC, NPA etc get their money by LAW and not by skill!?

Common sense does not tell you that a University anywhere in the world is not designed for Money generation as a sole purpose!? They attract money for research and use the monies to build capacity!

No wonder we have graduates who seem to have their brains frozen and locked up.

Please can you explain why the greatest countries in the world are those with the best R & D human assets?


It's amazing how you glorify those who have destroyed the economy of this nation by their policies to which they earn outrageous salaries because they "make more money"! SMH!!
Oxford University, Cambridge all have endowment fund running into billions and trillions of dollars. They go as far as investing in the stock market. Nigeria has one of the cheapest University education anywhere in the world.

If you want quality, pay for it or strike for it. Either way, Yusuf the son of Buhari will fly abroad get quality education and the elites will remain elites
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by Mayflowa(m): 6:41am On May 12, 2022
michlins:
stop comparing apples to oranges please.

The institutions you mentioned make too much money for the government.

You don't expect to pay someone whose office generate billions daily ₦50,000 and complain when he steals. It's never done.

Compare ASUU with Nigeria police. Having said that, it is high time Nigeria education is deregulated to some extent. It's better to pay ₦500,000 per section and finish a course meant for five years in five years and not a day older. If you pay any less, you will balance off the payment by many years of strike and the worst thing to loose in life is time cause it's irreversible.

If you decide not to pay that much, you will sign a contract that will force you to work in public institution in Nigeria for a certain number of years before you japa. We can't pay for your school fees through subsidised education and the moment you finish, you run away.

I know many people will not be comfortable with my comment but "he who comes to equity must come with clean hands". If we citizens of Nigeria wants to hold the leaders accountable,we too should be accountable.

Let me see see how someone will pay 500,000 as school fees and ASUU will go on strike without the minister of education and labour not getting sacked the next day. Those ones are currently vying for president. Or a student will stay in that hostel in uniben and unn. We may not notice but these things destroy us psychologically and we raise students who don't attain perfection but microbiologists who work in banks

Sign a contract to work for government? I am not sure you understand the state Nigeria is in. 1million students fights for 10 slots in public institutions. There is no employment in public institutions. If people got work in government offices, do you think they will run from the country?

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by arantess: 6:51am On May 12, 2022
Summon ke??

He has no right to do that, na meeting them arrange
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by adebayo987: 6:55am On May 12, 2022
ArewaNorth:

https://dailytrust.com/strike-buharis-cos-wades-in-summons-ASUU-nasu-others
see powers... That's he's the president or what?

When has COS become that powerful to summon high profile civil servants?

We're gradually seeing the cabals. No wonder the first lady said her husband has never been in control.
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by CorperKola: 7:00am On May 12, 2022
TenQ:

It is because of ignorant graduates like you that this nation is so backward.

Do you know how long it takes to make a professor?
Do you know how irreplaceable a professor is in training the nation's human capital?


Unfortunately for you, just like our dumb politicians, you think only in terms of CASH and not VALUE.

It doesn't dawn on you that CBN, FIRS, NNPC, NPA etc get their money by LAW and not by skill!?

Common sense does not tell you that a University anywhere in the world is not designed for Money generation as a sole purpose!? They attract money for research and use the monies to build capacity!

No wonder we have graduates who seem to have their brains frozen and locked up.

Please can you explain why the greatest countries in the world are those with the best R & D human assets?


It's amazing how you glorify those who have destroyed the economy of this nation by their policies to which they earn outrageous salaries because they "make more money"! SMH!!
As much as i may not totally agree with the guy, he's not the one who made your parents poor churchrats.
This is the same reason the electricity or power sector is comatose, then petrol too. People are not paying the market rate for the services they enjoy. How do you hope to incentivize the producers to make quality products when they cant sell at profitable prices. Please, you that claims to be intelligent, think about it, where does the bulk of r&d money come from? Is it not from profit? If a company isnt making profit, will it think of r&d? You cant eat your cake and still have it. I blame Awolowo, the free education policy should have been capped at max 20 years and made clearly spealth out from the very beginning. It is also our collective faults but our leaders have always been visionless from the very beginning. Once your population passes 50 mil. That model of a welfarist state breaks down. It becomes unsustainable, add the inefficiency and corruption of the civil service here too, and what you get is exactly what you are seeing.
I encourage you to research my main point.
All the scandinavian countries with welfarist policies do bot have up to 20 mil population. Compare n contrast to big countries lime USA.

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by AAA593: 7:01am On May 12, 2022
Ngige should stay away from that meeting. Nothing good will come out of that meeting if Ngige attends the meeting. Other ministers are resigning and the cunning man is buying time. That man is very cunning.

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by adebayo987: 7:01am On May 12, 2022
hassey:


What abt those who train d so call lecturers, how much are they paid. I mean d primary and secondary teachers? Besides which special work is a lecturer doing? Answer ds questions without bias and u will understand better
who stopped them from going to strike to make their own lives and the primary education in their hands better? None... The truth is, most primary school teachers are job seekers, so they don't even understand welfare. Professors in the universities understand warfare pretty well.
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by Amerengues2: 7:10am On May 12, 2022
onyxo76:


very correct, did you wonder why these agencies are not paid using ippis that was forced on the educational institutions.

They are already well paid. IPPIS is purely fraudulent and no where in the world is lecturers treated this way. All ASUU peculiarities aren't covered by IPPIS yet they are forcing it. UTAS has passed the test with 99.3%.

I think some other agencies are paid with IPPIS but they wouldn't bulge since their pay is fat enough
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by Amerengues2: 7:16am On May 12, 2022
michlins:
stop comparing apples to oranges please.

The institutions you mentioned make too much money for the government.

You don't expect to pay someone whose office generate billions daily ₦50,000 and complain when he steals. It's never done.

Compare ASUU with Nigeria police. Having said that, it is high time Nigeria education is deregulated to some extent. It's better to pay ₦500,000 per section and finish a course meant for five years in five years and not a day older. If you pay any less, you will balance off the payment by many years of strike and the worst thing to loose in life is time cause it's irreversible.

If you decide not to pay that much, you will sign a contract that will force you to work in public institution in Nigeria for a certain number of years before you japa. We can't pay for your school fees through subsidised education and the moment you finish, you run away.

I know many people will not be comfortable with my comment but "he who comes to equity must come with clean hands". If we citizens of Nigeria wants to hold the leaders accountable,we too should be accountable.

Let me see see how someone will pay 500,000 as school fees and ASUU will go on strike without the minister of education and labour not getting sacked the next day. Those ones are currently vying for president. Or a student will stay in that hostel in uniben and unn. We may not notice but these things destroy us psychologically and we raise students who don't attain perfection but microbiologists who work in banks

Thanks for quoting and saying something reasonable. I rarely reply quotes. You are right because in these saner climes we all praise and run to, education is expensive and that's why there isn't strike. But then, because ASUU doesn't generate that much doesn't preclude them from a commensurate salary. Samer climes have student loans to cushion expensive tuition fees and some guaranteed level of repayment system and employment

Do you honestly think that salary is fair regardless? Don't also think in the generated revenue alone, remember ASUU produces these people you are referring to and from the foregoing, best brains in the lecturing line are dwindling by the day and being hijacked by foreigners.

What ASUU produces may not be monetary but more valuable than you opine.

Your thoughts are welcome though.

IamMichael
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by naijainstinct: 7:23am On May 12, 2022
Amerengues2:
Hmmm

Government only shakes body when their looting spree or activities are threatened- sequel to the planned protest by NANS to disrupt primary election;

They quickly supplied aviation fuel and attended to Aviation challenge.

Only ASUU knows how to hold government at the jugular and they get results unlike NLC.

They are occupied with their 2023 presidential ambition while education is at an all-time tottering level and hairsbreadth away from monumental total collapse.

If you don't support ASUU movements remember that if this government is permitted, Nigerian students will be paying 1m as school fees and they will crumble public tertiary institutions like primary and public school.

How can lecturers be paid #120,000 even a PHD holder gets paid around #150k+. The highest pay is 416k paid to professors that occupies about 4-5% of the population of staff. What about the paltry pay of others?! after over 20 years of tertiary education sometimes

Ordinary BSC in CBN, FIRS, NDA, NNPC, and other government parastatals earn extremely fat

NNPC Team Manager earns an average of about ₦ 1.19m monthly, Well Operations Superintendent earn up to ₦ 1.4m monthly and Human Resources Analysts earn around ₦665K.

The CBN staff salary structure is quite high but these salaries are not easily disclosed. The salaries below was inputed by some CBN staffs.

Deputy Governor CBN earns around ₦3.34m monthly, Branch Controller earns ₦900k and Managers earn around ₦700k.

The Entry level salary of FIRS employees ranges from ₦80,000 to ₦100,000 monthly. However, their ogas earn mammoth salaries

A level 8 staff of the PENCOM, at the end of his or her induction/recruitment training, get allowances in excess of over 2 million naira.

On monthly bases, level 8 Staff of the Commission earn around N180,000.

Unconfirmed reports of BOI suggest that some staff of the bank take home around N500,000 per month.

Not to mention DPR, Nimasa, NPA etc

you can abuse ASUU all you want but the fact is laid bare.

Most of these figures are far beyond what lecturers are paid.
Ask yourselves, students say they don't want to be lecturers because of perceived poor pay then with this trend, who will teach our children in the future when even the brightest brains are jetting out.

This should be a collective fight but ASUU must ensure no lecturer short-changes any student on resumption.

We didn't even talk about degree-less politicians fat salaries. Please don't quote me of you don't understand the plight of teachers in Nigeria. It's a collective fault. Primary and secondary school teachers are even worse in payment but the society doesn't care.

IamMichael.
You are very correct Michael. The staff of tertiary institutions are poorly remunerated in this country. Let's not even talk about secondary and primary schools.
However, while the issue of poor remuneration is one of the issues ASUU are agitating for, it isn't even the major issue. Our public tertiary institution are in dire need of funding for Research, Equipments, Hostel facilities, State-of-the-art technology, IPP etc. Else, we will keep churning out half-baked graduates with degrees/diplomas that are unrecognisable and unacceptable in other parts of the world. Nigerian universities really needs to start competing with other universities in the world and this can only be possible by adequate funding (which includes proper remuneration) of that sector.
Mind you, ASUU is also a corrupt body. VCs are also one of the most greedy set of people I have seen. Before the implementation of the TSA, IGRs in public tertiary institutions were mostly unaccounted for. Employment racketeering is still a menace in universities, with some VCs boldly keeping a percentage of the paltry salary of some newly employed staff for themselves. Therefore, it is important that while funding them adequately, there is a proper mechanism put in place to check corruption and misappropriation within the academic environment.
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by Amerengues2: 7:33am On May 12, 2022
naijainstinct:

You are very correct Michael. The staff of tertiary institutions are poorly remunerated in this country. Let's not even talk about secondary and primary schools.
However, while the issue of poor remuneration is one of the issues ASUU are agitating for, it isn't even the major issue. Our public tertiary institution are in dire need of funding for Research, Equipments, Hostel facilities, State-of-the-art technology, IPP etc. Else, we will keep churning out half-baked graduates with degrees/diplomas that are unrecognisable and unacceptable in other parts of the world. Nigerian universities really needs to start competing with other universities in the world and this can only be possible by adequate funding (which includes proper remuneration) of that sector.
Mind you, ASUU is also a corrupt body. VCs are also one of the most greedy set of people I have seen. Therefore, it is important that while finding them adequately, there is a proper mechanism put in place to check corruption and misappropriation within the academic environment.

Hello,

You aren't far from the truth even though nobody can tell me where there is no bad eggs and corruption.

You are right by saying Funding for research is key. It is only a country that values that.

It will get better soon I hope.

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by michlins(m): 8:01am On May 12, 2022
Amerengues2:


Thanks for quoting and saying something reasonable. I rarely reply quotes. You are right because in these saner climes we all praise and run to, education is expensive and that's why there isn't strike. But then, because ASUU doesn't generate that much doesn't preclude them from a commensurate salary. Samer climes have student loans to cushion expensive tuition fees and some guaranteed level of repayment system and employment

Do you honestly think that salary is fair regardless? Don't also think in the generated revenue alone, remember ASUU produces these people you are referring to and from the foregoing, best brains in the lecturing line are dwindling by the day and being hijacked by foreigners.

What ASUU produces may not be monetary but more valuable than you opine.

Your thoughts are welcome though.

IamMichael
it's not fair but because they don't generate enough, they are stuck there. In a good institution and country, their professors don't depend on salaries. They lead researches and from there, they make insane amount from there.

But then, teaching has been about salaries. If you want to be rich, do something else
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by LockDown69(m): 8:11am On May 12, 2022
Make una go learn skill oooo!
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by TenQ: 8:11am On May 12, 2022
CorperKola:

As much as i may not totally agree with the guy, he's not the one who made your parents poor churchrats.
It is people like you (who thinks everyone who doesn't like the system has poor parents) and him who think running mouth is akin to wisdom that has destroyed this nation with their half baked intellect but "excellent nature of greed"!

CorperKola:

This is the same reason the electricity or power sector is comatose, then petrol too. People are not paying the market rate for the services they enjoy. How do you hope to incentivize the producers to make quality products when they cant sell at profitable prices. Please, you that claims to be intelligent, think about it, where does the bulk of r&d money come from? Is it not from profit? If a company isnt making profit, will it think of r&d? You cant eat your cake and still have it. I blame Awolowo, the free education policy should have been capped at max 20 years and made clearly spealth out from the very beginning. It is also our collective faults but our leaders have always been visionless from the very beginning. Once your population passes 50 mil. That model of a welfarist state breaks down. It becomes unsustainable, add the inefficiency and corruption of the civil service here too, and what you get is exactly what you are seeing.
I encourage you to research my main point.
All the scandinavian countries with welfarist policies do bot have up to 20 mil population. Compare n contrast to big countries lime USA.
The reason why EVERYTHING is in comatose is because we despise HUMAN CAPITAL but elevate CASH above all.
America in 1700s were already building locomotive engines while Nigeria as of 2022 cannot produce a motorcycle engine
Even though the theory of Electric power generation is well known, we cannot produce 1kVA by ourselves without depending on our cash and the intellectual ability of the "white guys" to help us?
Tell me who is building the Third Niger Bridge: Is it Nigerian Contractor or Foreign Contractors

Free Education is not a problem else China would have been a rural community today! The problem is the value a country or her politicians place on human capital.

No one is advocating for a welfarist state. We advocate the elevation of status of the Human Capital and Capacity value for the Nation.

When this is done,
Quota system will fly out of the window,
Competence will be the requirement not who you know,
The nation would be Result Oriented (because human capital must necessarily produce results),


This is not the only problem of Nigeria but this is Fundamental.

This is why our Economic Experts (who you rate so highly) in Nigeria till today (2022) practice "Food-Crop, Cash-Crop Economy"!
I don't know a single developed country that practices this form of economy!

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by Nobody: 8:21am On May 12, 2022
Ibegtodiffer:

Imagine! Those who train the NNPC, CBN etc staff should be paid less, since training those students in school does not directly generate funds to government coffers, abi? You seem to forget that the bane of all development is Human Capital development.

500k fees! So sayeth the elitist mind. The 500k you mentioned has never been seen or handled by some parents of first class students in some public universities. So what becomes their fate?
Students farm during rainy season and sell at a later time to fund their school fees. Students hawk cookies, fries...work as security personnel in hotels, banks etc just to afford fees. If it becomes 500k how do they survive that?

That guy was just spewing trash.

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by Nobody: 8:23am On May 12, 2022
TenQ:

It is because of ignorant graduates like you that this nation is so backward.

Do you know how long it takes to make a professor?
Do you know how irreplaceable a professor is in training the nation's human capital?


Unfortunately for you, just like our dumb politicians, you think only in terms of CASH and not VALUE.

It doesn't dawn on you that CBN, FIRS, NNPC, NPA etc get their money by LAW and not by skill!?

Common sense does not tell you that a University anywhere in the world is not designed for Money generation as a sole purpose!? They attract money for research and use the monies to build capacity!

No wonder we have graduates who seem to have their brains frozen and locked up.

Please can you explain why the greatest countries in the world are those with the best R & D human assets?


It's amazing how you glorify those who have destroyed the economy of this nation by their policies to which they earn outrageous salaries because they "make more money"! SMH!!

That guy is beyond being ignorant

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by TenQ: 8:23am On May 12, 2022
michlins:
if you can't afford education,do something else. There are lots of skills you can acquire and achieve success in life. Majority of our graduates are not employable and that makes their certificate almost useless Oxford University, Cambridge all have endowment fund running into billions and trillions of dollars. They go as far as investing in the stock market. Nigeria has one of the cheapest University education anywhere in the world.

If you want quality, pay for it or strike for it. Either way, Yusuf the son of Buhari will fly abroad get quality education and the elites will remain elites
Do you think we have anything close to quality education in Nigeria?
Does your government know how many Chemists, Physicists, Mathematician, Statisticians, Engineers they need AND for what purpose?

Why is it that graduates from Nigerian Universities are unemployable?
How do you think any meaningful result will come out from a system where the House of Assembly people pay themselves equivalence in Dollars while the non elected Nigerian citizens are paid in naira equivalent?

Before you speak again, compare how much the US government is funding their primary school and high school with how much Nigerian government is using to fund their public school! How much does American Children pay for their public schools?

People who don't know how a proper relationship between Research ,R and D and Governance is supposed to be should not be talking on this matter.

It is not about cost, it is about PURPOSE!
Please, How much do Chinese students pay in their Universities?

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by Directway: 8:26am On May 12, 2022
Just look at what our undergraduates are passing through.

Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by michlins(m): 8:27am On May 12, 2022
TenQ:

Do you think we have anything close to quality education in Nigeria?
Does your government know how many Chemists, Physicists, Mathematician, Statisticians, Engineers they need AND for what purpose?

Why is it that graduates from Nigerian Universities are unemployable?
How do you think any meaningful result will come out from a system where the House of Assembly people pay themselves equivalence in Dollars while the non elected Nigerian citizens are paid in naira equivalent?

Before you speak again, compare how much the US government is funding their primary school and high school with how much Nigerian government is using to fund their public school! How much does American Children pay for their public schools?

People who don't know how a proper relationship between Research ,R and D and Governance is supposed to be should not be talking on this matter.

It is not about cost, it is about PURPOSE!
Please, How much do Chinese students pay in their Universities?
apples to oranges
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by Directway: 8:37am On May 12, 2022
sinkhole:
Below is the list of the federal government team that negotiated with ASUU in 2009:

1. Deacon Gamaliel O. Onosode, OFR
2. Professor Musa Abdullahi
3. Professor Greg Iwu, OON
4. Rev. Father T. E. Uwaifo
5. Barrister Emeka Nwankpa
6. Amb. Muh. Adamu Jumba
7. Professor Mahmood Yakubu
8. Senator Abdalla Wali.

And, below is the list of people that served as Advisers to the government team of negotiators:

1. Professor Julius A. Okoje
2. Professor Oye Ibidapo-Obe
3. Professor J. D. Amin
4. Professor E. A. C. Nwanze
5. Professor Chinedu Nebo
6. Professor Ekanem I. Braide
7. Professor S. U. Abdullahi
8. Professor Abdullahi Mahadi
9. Professor Peter Adeniyi
10. Chief (Mrs.) Mojisola Ladipo, mni
11. Mr. M. B. Modibbo

And, below is a list of people that served as Observers to the negotiation:

1. Mrs. V. A. Eghobamiem
2. Mr. S. A. Ajibola
3. Professor Ignatius I. Uvah
4. Mr. P. I. Ekun
5. Mrs. Chike Ogbechie
6. Mr. A. C. Adighiogu
7. Mr. P. E. Oyong
8. Mr. A. Ibrahim
9. Mr. I. O. Malaolu
10. Mr. G. T. Ogbenna
11. Mrs. Cynthia I. J. Okigbo.

And, below is a list of people that served as Secretariat to the negotiation:

1. Dr. M. K. Aliyu
2. Dr. M. B. Kuna
3. Mr. G. I. N. Emezue
4. Mrs. Ann E. Aiyedun
5. Mrs. Q. U. Elebor
6. Mr. B. C. Odun
7. Mrs. C. N. Goddy-Nnadi.

That was the team, if you don't know them, just google their pedigree and stop the insane regurgitation of nasty political rhetorics.

Yes, you can continue your insulting ASUU but know that those Nigerians, some of whom are late, are far better than the crops of irresponsible politicians you're covering now.

Stop insulting these brainy Nigerians simply because you've been given a propaganda line of an "agreement signed in error."

Nothing casts us as pro bono vuvuzellas than interloping into social issues we lack adequate information on.

~~~ Hashim Muhammad Suleiman, PhD

Wow. We have highly informed and researched people here. Thumbs up.
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by TenQ: 8:44am On May 12, 2022
michlins:
apples to oranges
By their fruit, their ignorance is made open to all

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by CorperKola: 9:12am On May 12, 2022
TenQ:

It is people like you (who thinks everyone who doesn't like the system has poor parents) and him who think running mouth is akin to wisdom that has destroyed this nation with their half baked intellect but "excellent nature of greed"!


The reason why EVERYTHING is in comatose is because we despise HUMAN CAPITAL but elevate CASH above all.
America in 1700s were already building locomotive engines while Nigeria as of 2022 cannot produce a motorcycle engine
Even though the theory of Electric power generation is well known, we cannot produce 1kVA by ourselves without depending on our cash and the intellectual ability of the "white guys" to help us?
Tell me who is building the Third Niger Bridge: Is it Nigerian Contractor or Foreign Contractors

Free Education is not a problem else China would have been a rural community today! The problem is the value a country or her politicians place on human capital.

No one is advocating for a welfarist state. We advocate the elevation of status of the Human Capital and Capacity value for the Nation.

When this is done,
Quota system will fly out of the window,
Competence will be the requirement not who you know,
The nation would be Result Oriented (because human capital must necessarily produce results),


This is not the only problem of Nigeria but this is Fundamental.

This is why our Economic Experts (who you rate so highly) in Nigeria till today (2022) practice "Food-Crop, Cash-Crop Economy"!
I don't know a single developed country that practices this form of economy!

The issue of human capital development is an issue for another day. We are talking of how to produce goods that are important for the public at a high quality. Quality costs money, whether you are producing cars in a factory or knowlegeable and creative students in a school. The process of production costs money, and if you want the product, you have to be able to pay for it. No way around that.Don't conflate the issues. even healthcare, compare healthcare costs in europe and America. Education cannot be an exception. Our leaders cared so much about the so called human capital development that they made education cost peanuts. We can see the results. We can talk about what our problem is from now till kingdom come. It used to be corruption, now some say its religion, overpopulation etc, some are even of the opinion its is democracy.
Your example of china is funny, they are an atheist state, they are not a democracy.
You are telling me Americans for example don't like money, in your mind, we are more capitalistic than everyone else abi?
You are funny.
As americans will tell you, cash is king!

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by CorperKola: 9:30am On May 12, 2022
TenQ:

It is because of ignorant graduates like you that this nation is so backward.

Do you know how long it takes to make a professor?
Do you know how irreplaceable a professor is in training the nation's human capital?


Unfortunately for you, just like our dumb politicians, you think only in terms of CASH and not VALUE.

It doesn't dawn on you that CBN, FIRS, NNPC, NPA etc get their money by LAW and not by skill!?

Common sense does not tell you that a University anywhere in the world is not designed for Money generation as a sole purpose!? They attract money for research and use the monies to build capacity!

No wonder we have graduates who seem to have their brains frozen and locked up.

Please can you explain why the greatest countries in the world are those with the best R & D human assets?


It's amazing how you glorify those who have destroyed the economy of this nation by their policies to which they earn outrageous salaries because they "make more money"! SMH!!
Even the professors you mentioned, professors are paid fairly on a comparable scale all over the world. What makes it terrible for nigerian professors is foreign exchange devaluation effects and they are not the only ones affected by that. If a prof was ear ing 416k when naira to dollar was 150, you can see what has happened now that dollar is 500 or God knows what.
Professors are not rich whether in America or britain or anywhere. If you have decided to become a prof, it means you dont really like money or care about it.
The ASUU you are defending, is it not cash they are fighting for?
Knowledge without money is nothing, thats y profs fight for grants to do r&d all the time
Cash is king, my good friend

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Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by CorperKola: 9:33am On May 12, 2022
Mr TenQ, let me enlighten you further.
It is because of ignorant graduates like you that this nation is so backward.
Even the professors you mentioned, professors are paid fairly on a comparable scale all over the world. What makes it terrible for nigerian professors is foreign exchange devaluation effects and they are not the only ones affected by that. If a prof was ear ing 416k when naira to dollar was 150, you can see what has happened now that dollar is 500 or God knows what.
Professors are not rich whether in America or britain or anywhere. If you have decided to become a prof, it means you dont really like money or care about it.
The ASUU you are defending, is it not cash they are fighting for?
Knowledge without money is nothing, thats y profs fight for grants to do r&d all the time
Cash is king, my good friend
Re: Strike: Ibrahim Gambari Wades In, Summons ASUU, NASU, Others by TenQ: 9:37am On May 12, 2022
CorperKola:

The issue of human capital development is an issue for another day. We are talking of how to produce goods that are important for the public at a high quality. Quality costs money, whether you are producing cars in a factory or knowlegeable and creative students in a school. The process of production costs money, and if you want the product, you have to be able to pay for it. No way around that.Don't conflate the issues. even healthcare, compare healthcare costs in europe and America. Education cannot be an exception. Our leaders cared so much about the so called human capital development that they made education cost peanuts. We can see the results. We can talk about what our problem is from now till kingdom come. It used to be corruption, now some say its religion, overpopulation etc, some are even of the opinion its is democracy.
Your example of china is funny, they are an atheist state, they are not a democracy.
You are telling me Americans for example don't like money, in your mind, we are more capitalistic than everyone else abi?
You are funny.
As americans will tell you, cash is king!
Human capital development has to do with two things
1. Appropriate Education
2. Renumeration
But I speak more about the value a nation places on their HUMAN CAPITAL. This value is what make the government do everything to developing the Human capital.

It was the human capital of USA that developed the atomic bomb
It was the human capital of USA that accomplished the space mission to the moon.

Money is what a government uses to develop this human capital IFF only they feel it is important.

Nigeria will never develop until we rightly value our Human Capital and Fund them to achieve national objectives

Do you know how many Scholarship Facilities available in the USA even when education is not free?
Are you aware that Us Government facilitates Student Loans payable when a student begin the work?

How much value do you think our government places on Human Capital (this will affect how they develop such capital)?

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